TAS Reviews: Thor: Love and Thunder

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TAS Reviews: Thor: Love and Thunder

As someone who loved the first Thor movie, I never thought the character needed saving. But there's no denying that with Ragnarok, Taika Waititi elevated the character to new and unimaginable heights, with a tonal revamp that took the series from Shakespearian drama to essentially being the rock and roll movie equivalent of the MCU. In addition to being an all-time great superhero movie, Ragnarok felt fresh - the movie equivalent of eating a pizza that's been freshly pulled out of the stove. The movie's coolness just felt effortless. So it was good news to all when it was announced that Waititi would be returning to direct the 4th instalment in the series. But as someone who likes to remain cautiously optimistic, there was no guarantee that Waititi would be able to recapture that magic of Ragnarok. Perhaps he caught lighting in a bottle. Now the time has come to find out whether or not that is the case.

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There's no denying that with Love and Thunder, Waititi does not recapture that effortless coolness and freshness of Ragnarok, but perhaps that was inevitable. After all, it's impossible to be the new kid on the block twice in a row, no matter how much we would like it to happen, so that's no surprise. What is pleasantly surprising is that Waititi seems to have understood that, and instead creates a follow-up that carries elements from the previous movies, yet also has an identity and DNA of it's own. Make no mistake: this is not Ragnarok 2.0. This is Love and Thunder 1.0, and it is that fact which makes this such a triumph of a movie. While Ragnarok was not devoid of emotion by any means, this movie delves much deeper into its emotional beats, which is the way in which it most differs from its predecessor. The emotional moments, for the most part, really land when they need to, resulting in one of the most emotionally impactful finale's in Marvel history and a narrative this is pleasantly willing to take more bold swings than expected.

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But make no mistake. This is a Taika Waititi Thor movie, and just as Waititi doubled down on the emotional depth, he tripled down on the irreverent tone he established previously. This movie is easily one of the funniest superhero movies ever made, and a specific scene at around the half-way point had me laughing harder than I've laughed watching any movie in recent history. You would be right to describe this movie's predecessor as zany and irreverent in tone, but if those are the words you describe Ragnarok, you might want to pay a visit to the word bank for this one, because there are moments in this movie that make Ragnarok feel like Batman Begins by comparison. And although I acknowledge that many may accuse this movie of veering too far into parody territory, it absolutely worked for me. The movie just has a great sense of fun and a pace that is quick and breakneck in the best way imaginable. But of course, this is an action movie just as much as it is anything else, and the action is absolutely stunning. The MCU is often criticised for its drab visuals, understandably so, but this movie is anything but. The visuals are lush and colourful when they need to be, which only serves to extenuate the moments in which the movie is purposely visual dark, particularly revolving around Gorr's scenes. The trailer showed teases of black and white visuals, which are an absolute delight and a clever creative decision from Waititi. The MCU has also suffered from weak soundtracks throughout, so I was surprised to see that Love and Thunder's original score is genuinely impactful and elevates the scenes, instead of being the least offensive thing possible. The design of the credits is also fantastic, but I'll let you experience that for yourself if you haven't seen the movie yet.

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This is now Hemsworth's 8th or so time playing this character, so it is no surprise that he feels absolutely at home in this role, and continues to explore fresh, never-seen-before facets of the character. The same can be said about Tessa Thompson, who is predictably fantastic once again as Valkyrie. But the character who many people might be surprised to hear is the heartbeat of this movie is Jane Foster AKA The Mighty Thor, played to perfection by Natalie Portman, who imbues the character with a sense of fun, irreverence and heart that was previously missing. I also love the dynamic she forms with Tessa Thompson. But as amazing as that dynamic is, it doesn't hold a candle to the dynamic between Jane and Thor, which is just ridiculously entertaining and heartfelt. Particularly when you consider that their romance has often been cited as a weak-point of these movies. This dynamic is everything, ranging from touching to funny - and often hilariously awkward - but inevitably, is incredibly human and relatable. It is also incredible how the dynamic between these two characters opens the room for the Marvel Cinematic Universe to explore a genre it is yet to explore: a rom-com. But as fantastic as Portman is, the true scene-stealer and MVP of this entire movie is Russell Crowe as Zeus, who had me laughing at nearly every line delivery and little gesture he did throughout his limited yet impactful screen-time.

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But as much as I loved Thor: Love and Thunder, few movies are perfect, and this is no exception. I mentioned that the movie has its fair share of emotionally impactful moments, but for every one of those that I can think of, I can also think of a moment that fell flat because it wasn't set up well. Throughout the movie, Thor goes through a journey of self-discovery and essentially wants to find out what his place in the world is. So while the attempt is there, it feels severely undercooked and relies a little too much of exposition. I also feel that the arc that Thor goes throughout the movie and the grand realisations he has feel a little unremarkable, anti-climactic and hollow, as if the needle barely moved, despite the movie pretending it did. For a character who we've followed for so long across numerous different movies, his character arc should feel like a natural progression up to this point, yet it never really did. It just felt like Taika sit in a room with his collaborators and said "so... what's this guy's deal?" Unlike the character work that Thor received in, say, Infinity War and Endgame, where you could tell that the writers of those movies carefully traced Thor's arc from his first movie till now.

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The trailers and marketing prominently featured the Guardians, and I was shocked at just how little they contributed to the movie. They show up for 5 minutes, and outside of Star-Lord, they barely say anything, and they do even less to move the story forward in any meaningful way, and fail to serve any function that couldn't have been easily served by Valkyrie, which inevitably would've better served the movie overall, as Tessa Thompson's treasure of a character is underutilized. But by far the biggest issue with this movie - and far and away the most disappointing aspect - is the villain: Gorr The God Butcher played by Christian Bale. Though I enjoyed the character's visual presentation, the character is severely underutilized, feeling like an afterthought in his own storyline. And more so, Bale delivers a tragically woeful performance as the character, one which reminded me of Leto's Joker, in a sense where I can imagine the actor's mindset toward the performance was "well, let's just say weird stuff and it'll be good!" It is a painfully inconsistent performance that is impossible to track, ranging from genuinely chilling to being comparable to Jim Carrey's performance in The Mask. You end up being undecided as to whether you're upset the character was underused because it's Christian Bale, and also glad that you didn't have to endure more of this terrible performance. Because such a disappointing performance comes from such a respectable and prestigious actor, you're also left thinking "wait... just how did Christian freakin Bale agree to this?" Multiple times throughout the movie, which makes it all the more distracting.

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Though the movie suffers from writing issues and an incredibly disappointing villain, Love and Thunder is still a hell of a fantastic time that delivers on both the love and the thunder. It is every bit as hilarious and visually stunning as one would hope, while simultaneously delivering on a surprising amount of emotional depth. Natalie Portman is also an absolute revelation as The Mighty Thor, and her dynamic with Thor is the stuff of dreams. The MCU has been quite hit or miss in their fourth phase, but Love and Thunder is one of the best MCU entries in years, and perhaps the second best Phase 4 entry. It doesn't quite reinvent the wheel, but when the wheel works as well as it works, does it really need to be?

Score: 8.7/10

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Incredibly surprised by your review since critics are struggling to say nice things about the movie. Great review

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As always, nice review.

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#3  Edited By Kal_El_Batson

Awesome I always love your reviews !

I’ll be watching tomorrow night.

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Nice review as always. I'll be watching it soon, interested to see how I feel about this.

Funny that you like the movie but critics don't and IIRC you didn't like MoM but critics did.

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  • Best MCU movie honestly..
  • Infinity War close second.
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Didn’t you hear!? We only care abouts feats!!!! Does he beat dceu supes comfortable or no we must no ahhhhhhhhhhh.

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@krisbishop: critics didn’t really like MoM actually. they gave it like a 6-7/10 at best which is mediocre for mcu standards. thor has roughly the same score.

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Incredibly surprised by your review since critics are struggling to say nice things about the movie. Great review

Thank you! I've been incredibly surprised at the critic response. I feel like they should've loved it.

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  • Best MCU movie honestly..
  • Infinity War close second.

Glad you enjoyed it as well.

Nice review as always. I'll be watching it soon, interested to see how I feel about this.

Funny that you like the movie but critics don't and IIRC you didn't like MoM but critics did.

Thank you. But TBH, MoM wasn't much better reviewed by comparison.

Awesome I always love your reviews !

I’ll be watching tomorrow night.

Thank you very much! Hope you enjoy and let me know what you think.

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@mrmonster said:

As always, nice review.

Thank you!

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Best rated film from you in a while. So it must be amazing. Seeing it tonight!

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@monsterstomp: That’s right haha I was surprised at just how much I enjoyed it because I find myself more often disappointed than not.

Let me know what you think when you watch it!

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@monsterstomp: That’s right haha I was surprised at just how much I enjoyed it because I find myself more often disappointed than not.

Let me know what you think when you watch it!

Was the soundtrack good in the film?

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@lazerbeak: The soundtrack is great. I mentioned it in the review :)

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Glad you liked it my friend, I agree with a most of your points, except the one about Christian Bale. He was definitely underutilized and could have done much more, he needed more exposition and screen time to feel like an actual threat, but the little time he had on screen, Bale did a fantastic job portraying this character, making him both sympathetic and scary.

It's freaking Christian Bale, he is incapable of delivering a bad performance, in my opinion, the issue was the little screen time he had.

Also, Russell Crowe definitely did steal the movie.

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Also, why are people acting like this is bashed by the critics ? It's still Fresh on Rotten Tomatoes, not to mention the audience score (which is the one people should pay the most attention to) is great as of now.

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#16  Edited By J_Normal

This would have been head and shoulders been the best MCU movie if it cut back on the comedy.

The Shadow Realm fight was honestly the best fight in the MCU to me.

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@j_normal said:

This would have been head and toes the best MCU movie if it cut back on the comedy.

The Shadow Realm fight was honestly the best fight in the MCU to me.

That fight was pretty fantastic, but my favourite fight was the one in Omnipotent land or whatever it's called.

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Also, why are people acting like this is bashed by the critics ? It's still Fresh on Rotten Tomatoes, not to mention the audience score (which is the one people should pay the most attention to) is great as of now.

It's not exactly "bashed", but the movie is sitting at 69%, which is pretty lukewarm and especially for a Marvel movie. And even a lot of the "positive" reviews I've read are only barely positive.

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i definitely enjoyed it

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@thor-parker said:

Also, why are people acting like this is bashed by the critics ? It's still Fresh on Rotten Tomatoes, not to mention the audience score (which is the one people should pay the most attention to) is great as of now.

It's not exactly "bashed", but the movie is sitting at 69%, which is pretty lukewarm and especially for a Marvel movie. And even a lot of the "positive" reviews I've read are only barely positive.

Yeah, but on the audience side, the score is still pretty good, though it could be better, I do see the complaints and hope Feige takes notes for the next Thor movie, which I'm assuming we'll definitely get.

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@theamazingspidey said:
@thor-parker said:

Also, why are people acting like this is bashed by the critics ? It's still Fresh on Rotten Tomatoes, not to mention the audience score (which is the one people should pay the most attention to) is great as of now.

It's not exactly "bashed", but the movie is sitting at 69%, which is pretty lukewarm and especially for a Marvel movie. And even a lot of the "positive" reviews I've read are only barely positive.

Yeah, but on the audience side, the score is still pretty good, though it could be better, I do see the complaints and hope Feige takes notes for the next Thor movie, which I'm assuming we'll definitely get.

Rotten Tomatoes audience score generally isn't accurate. Cinemascore is much more accurate, and this scored one of the lowest MCU scores (even lower than Justice League).

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#24  Edited By TobeyMaguire84
@thor-parker said:
@theamazingspidey said:
@thor-parker said:

Also, why are people acting like this is bashed by the critics ? It's still Fresh on Rotten Tomatoes, not to mention the audience score (which is the one people should pay the most attention to) is great as of now.

It's not exactly "bashed", but the movie is sitting at 69%, which is pretty lukewarm and especially for a Marvel movie. And even a lot of the "positive" reviews I've read are only barely positive.

Yeah, but on the audience side, the score is still pretty good, though it could be better, I do see the complaints and hope Feige takes notes for the next Thor movie, which I'm assuming we'll definitely get.

Not true. It has just 81% in audience verified score. Thats superbad for a Marvel movie. You need to be above 90. I taught you will be angry at Marvel for butchering Thor the God Butcher

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@thor-parker said:
@theamazingspidey said:
@thor-parker said:

Also, why are people acting like this is bashed by the critics ? It's still Fresh on Rotten Tomatoes, not to mention the audience score (which is the one people should pay the most attention to) is great as of now.

It's not exactly "bashed", but the movie is sitting at 69%, which is pretty lukewarm and especially for a Marvel movie. And even a lot of the "positive" reviews I've read are only barely positive.

Yeah, but on the audience side, the score is still pretty good, though it could be better, I do see the complaints and hope Feige takes notes for the next Thor movie, which I'm assuming we'll definitely get.

Not true. It has just 81% in audience verified score. Thats superbad for a Marvel movie. You need to be above 90. I taught you will be angry at Marvel for butchering Thor the God Butcher

That's a great point too. The movie has a lower audience score than Multiverse of Madness, and we all know that movie had underwhelming legs and mixed WOM.

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@thor-parker said:
@theamazingspidey said:
@thor-parker said:

Also, why are people acting like this is bashed by the critics ? It's still Fresh on Rotten Tomatoes, not to mention the audience score (which is the one people should pay the most attention to) is great as of now.

It's not exactly "bashed", but the movie is sitting at 69%, which is pretty lukewarm and especially for a Marvel movie. And even a lot of the "positive" reviews I've read are only barely positive.

Yeah, but on the audience side, the score is still pretty good, though it could be better, I do see the complaints and hope Feige takes notes for the next Thor movie, which I'm assuming we'll definitely get.

Not true. It has just 81% in audience verified score. Thats superbad for a Marvel movie. You need to be above 90. I taught you will be angry at Marvel for butchering Thor the God Butcher

I'd think an audience score above 80% is good, when I made my post it was at 84% though, it went down in just a day, now that has me a bit worried.

As for me being angry about butchering Thor, this movie did no such thing, that was Endgame, this movie returned Thor to the badass and powerful territory. If you mean characterization then I see your point, believe me I don't like comedic goofy Thor, but it is what it is, for some reason regal Thor wasn't resonating with general audience and what Taika did in Ragnarok did resonate, so keeping that characterization makes some kind of sense.

Although the best Thor has been and pretty much all general audience agrees was in Infinity War, so they should just give us more of that Thor, not completely serious, but not on the goofy side either.

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#28  Edited By KillianDuclark

Surprised any one would rate this movie so high.

Even if you personally enjoyed at as you are personally entitled to do, saying it's a 8.7/10 type movie is mind boggling to me.

But to each his own I guess

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@theamazingspidey: Yeah, MOM was trying to be Raimi horror movie which polorise the audience while this is following straight up Marvel formula and still got mixed reception which makes it worse

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@thor-parker : What about Butchering Gorr The God Butcher?

I don't see how it butchered Gorr. He obviously wasn't as epic or badass as he was in the comics, but there was no major deviation from his personality or motive from the comics.

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Agree with most of this, more or less on par with Ragnarock for me.

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@kinglouie: The Dark Knight and Infinity War are both 10/10’s so I don’t know if your logic is quite right my friend.

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Great review! I really enjoyed it too. Definitely my favourite Thor film.

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Great review! I really enjoyed it too. Definitely my favourite Thor film.

Thanks for always supporting, my guy! And I'm glad you enjoyed it. Still think I liked Ragnarok more, but this movie is at least my 2nd favourite Thor.

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Great review! I would say o really loved the ending in particular. It felt heartfelt and emotional I’ll give them that. It felt even better realizing that the young actress that portrayed Love is Chris Hemsworth’s daughter. Heck, I loved the climax with Thor giving the children his power, it was unique, right amount of cheesy, and it allowed for the fight between Thor/Jane and Gorr to be more personal.

But, on top of all that, what I loved about the ending was Thor adopting Love. People talk about wanting Thor to become a bit of a parallel to Odin (for example, the one eye patch) and I’d say him adopting Love is without doubt meant to be a parallel to Odin adopting Loki

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Great review! I would say o really loved the ending in particular. It felt heartfelt and emotional I’ll give them that. It felt even better realizing that the young actress that portrayed Love is Chris Hemsworth’s daughter. Heck, I loved the climax with Thor giving the children his power, it was unique, right amount of cheesy, and it allowed for the fight between Thor/Jane and Gorr to be more personal.

But, on top of all that, what I loved about the ending was Thor adopting Love. People talk about wanting Thor to become a bit of a parallel to Odin (for example, the one eye patch) and I’d say him adopting Love is without doubt meant to be a parallel to Odin adopting Loki

Thank you very much for the kind words, as always :D And I agree with all of your points about the climax.

However, Thor adopting Love is one of the things that I liked least about the movie (and it took me a while to realise that). The whole thing felt forced to me, and considering there are millions if not billions of kids out there who need adoption, it didn't make sense to me why Thor would decide to choose this one kid to adopt, as if he had a sense of obligation to the kid of a maniac. I just feel like it could've been more fleshed out/better explained. Maybe if they spent more time exploring why Thor felt possessed to adopt this kid.

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@theamazingspidey:

Honestly I was cool with that mainly since it was clearly a combination of Thor honoring Jane’s dying wish (her telling Gorr that Love will be taken care of), having been established in the film as having wanted to have had kids with Jane while they were together (but being scared to truly commit to it), and opening up and finding someone to “feel shifty about” (and yeah, becoming a father definitely does that, not a father myself, but that’s how my old man’s always kinda described the type of feeling becoming a father can do)

I do agree that it could have had even more stuff to it though

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@mike_fowler: I guess you have a valid point. I didn’t consider that, so it does make it better. Still feel like it needed more though, for such a huge developement.

I am curious how they’re gonna deal with Love in future movies though, since Hemsworth said his daughter acting was just a “one time thing” and that he doesn’t want her to become a child actor and whatnot.

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@theamazingspidey:

They’d probably just age her up and get someone else if need be. Heck, they practically did it with Wiccan and Speed in WANDAVISION

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@theamazingspidey:

They’d probably just age her up and get someone else if need be. Heck, they practically did it with Wiccan and Speed in WANDAVISION

I didn't even notice hahaha.