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#1 Edited by Richubs (4880 posts) - - Show Bio

Mention some things which you regularly see on Comicvine that make no sense.

I see a lot of people saying a character won't be very powerful when it comes to punching because they don't have any punching feats only lifting feats. A character might be able to lift and toss cars with ease and yet people will say he is weak and cannot punch hard because he has no feats which makes no sense since the character is incredibly strong so obviously their punches are going to hurt.

For eg this thread

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/fox-beast-vs-mcu-iron-man-in-h2h-1983129/

People saying Beast hits weaker than Bucky when he can toss cars around

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#2 Edited by GateOfBabylon (4402 posts) - - Show Bio

It's a common occurrence when someone wants their preferred character to win.

Once I had somebody tell me that DCEU WW doesn't have the ability to slice off a person's head simply because she's never done it before.

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#3 Posted by BruceRogers (17456 posts) - - Show Bio

The list will be too big.

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#4 Posted by macleen (3593 posts) - - Show Bio

give me a month I'll get you a list

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#5 Posted by DaTombstone (38 posts) - - Show Bio

I've noticed this attitude by several here:

All Marvel TV shows must be good as Daredevil or they suck. While all DC TV shows could be bad as Supergirl and they're great.

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#6 Posted by Ready_4_Madness (16604 posts) - - Show Bio

@datombstone: but all DC tv shows aren’t as bad as Supergirl though.

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#7 Posted by MICKEY-MOUSE (36851 posts) - - Show Bio

Popular things = Bad

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#8 Posted by Kevd4wg (12798 posts) - - Show Bio
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#9 Edited by Supermanthor (20301 posts) - - Show Bio

Speedbiltz = automatic win lol boring logic

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#10 Posted by Toratorn (7273 posts) - - Show Bio

Powerscaling is only acceptable for anime/manga characters, comic book characters are not allowed to scale to anyone and must only have clear-cut feats.

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#11 Posted by DeathandGrim (4835 posts) - - Show Bio

@toratorn said:

Powerscaling is only acceptable for anime/manga characters, comic book characters are not allowed to scale to anyone and must only have clear-cut feats.

I have never accepted this tbh, I'd rather have clear cut feats. But I understand that due to anime/manga being more of a linear story it's slightly more viable to do this. Some characters may not cross paths but they're like the only reference for how powerful something/someone is. As opposed to Marvel/DC comics where most characters generally have met and faced one another in a canonical sense.

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#12 Posted by SupremeGeneration (11922 posts) - - Show Bio

Muh speedblitz

Muh “civilian with katana stomps MCU Cap cause he never fought a swordsman”

Also lifting strength =/= striking strength, so yes, you were wrong OP.

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#13 Edited by ANTHP2000 (27883 posts) - - Show Bio

Most of these problems are just silly stretches of, at base level, acceptable arguments.

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#14 Posted by deactivated-5beeed406e9c9 (1473 posts) - - Show Bio

@gateofbabylon said:

It's a common occurrence when someone wants their preferred character to win.

Once I had somebody tell me that DCEU WW doesn't have the ability to slice off a person's head simply because she's never done it before.

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#15 Posted by MAZAHS117 (12747 posts) - - Show Bio

Vine-Force

....it’s a thing 🤷‍♂️

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#16 Posted by Worldofthunder (5125 posts) - - Show Bio

1. People salty about speed blitz *Cough Cough Marvel fans Cough Cough*

2. Piercing durability =/= Blunt force durability. This has got to be the stupidest and most brain dead concept I've heard here on CV.

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#17 Posted by BruceRogers (17456 posts) - - Show Bio

@worldofthunder: 1. People salty about speed blitz *Cough Cough Marvel fans Cough Cough*

This is about DCEU Superman, isn't it?

2. Piercing durability =/= Blunt force durability. This has got to be the stupidest and most brain dead concept I've heard here on CV.

While I agree that sometimes people take this way past it's logical conclusion, they aren't really interchangeable either. A blade for example, focuses a lot of damage over a much smaller area than a hammer and thus, getting stabbed by one isn't the same thing as getting bludgeoned by the other. It's basic science.

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#18 Posted by Supermanthor (20301 posts) - - Show Bio
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#19 Edited by Red_Ruby_Petal (8239 posts) - - Show Bio

What people in CV need to understand is that while they can be different, they are still interrelated. Just like piercing and blunt. While that is a factor in the same tier, higher tier characters will laugh at that certain point eventually. Its a matter of discussing it in matches, but you dont argue this in mismatches. There is a difference between striking and lifting, but they still relate in the end.

For that case its common sense he will punch hard, just not extensively. At that point just use logic.

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#20 Posted by Red_Ruby_Petal (8239 posts) - - Show Bio

@brucerogers: I also like to factor in that dealing blunt force will give the tendecy to for some flexible material like muscle or skin to absorb the force and its likely to even be distributed all over compared to piercing that once it cut, it keeps going. I think there is just more to it than just pounds per square inch where even in real life scenarios, some objects like glass dont get pierced as easy as muscle does.

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#21 Posted by BruceRogers (17456 posts) - - Show Bio
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#22 Edited by Wassely (370 posts) - - Show Bio

"Ends in sex" whenever a male and a female character have to fight :(

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#23 Posted by Supermanthor (20301 posts) - - Show Bio

@brucerogers: can speed blitz from a speedstar work against a teambuster ?

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#24 Posted by The_Hajduk (6305 posts) - - Show Bio

Buying and reading an entire novel, just on the possibility it might have feats.

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#25 Posted by kilgpmktra (888 posts) - - Show Bio

@toratorn said:

Powerscaling is only acceptable for anime/manga characters, comic book characters are not allowed to scale to anyone and must only have clear-cut feats.

Wouldn't be an issue if the characters/things that individuals are scaling weren't analogued to some of the most inconsistent fictions power wise

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#26 Edited by FullMetalEmprah (4735 posts) - - Show Bio

The notion that everything popular is massively overrated. It's true that popular things have a tendency to be overrated at least a bit but some people make it seem like anything popular is outright terrible in actuality even when it's not the case.

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#27 Edited by TheInsufferable (2714 posts) - - Show Bio

I guess the reverse of "popular stuff are overrated" deserves a mention too. Sometimes people try too hard to make something unpopular seem underrated or misunderstood.

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#28 Edited by Matthew660 (1677 posts) - - Show Bio

Mcu Hela being fodder

Mcu Surtur being overrated

One punch man not being planet level

Mcu Thanos is weak because of the cut he got

Iw Thor’s ring pull was unquantifiable therefore it can’t be used

Iw Thor loses to dceu wonder woman

Iw Thor didn’t tank the energy from the neutron star because he almost died

MCU Thanos will full IG loses to dceu Superman

Mcu Thor isn’t magic

Mcu Odin is fodder

I’ve seen most of these arguments in battles with mcu characters vs dceu/cw characters

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#29 Posted by BatmanPlusJay (4216 posts) - - Show Bio

@worldofthunder:

Piercing durability =/= blunt force durability though. This is just common sense.

If you have a knife and you poke yourself from just 1 inch away from your skin, you will most likely still pierce the skin and bleed. But if you have a hammer or even a sledge hammer 1 inch away from your arm and you hit your arm, you won't break your arm. Your arm would be completely fine. They're two different types of durabilities.

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#30 Edited by The_Magister (14299 posts) - - Show Bio

Anything KoL says...

Or the CW Arrow wank.

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#31 Posted by xZone (10347 posts) - - Show Bio
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#32 Edited by deactivated-5c8fd6cb3e4f4 (18365 posts) - - Show Bio
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#33 Posted by Chimeroid (9267 posts) - - Show Bio

@matthew660: Most of what you said there is actually true, and not an example of "strange logic"

Mcu Hela being fodder

Of course, she is far from fodder, but, when the movie came out, they were pitting her against the entire League, and there was a clear pushback. I have never seen anyone calling her fodder out of context.

Mcu Surtur being overrated

He is, by some. He is also underrated by others.

One punch man not being planet level

He clearly isn't. But, let's not go into a Saitama argument. I can only take so much of "He is a joke character" or "Boros said" before i lose it.

Mcu Thanos is weak because of the cut he got

Far from weak, but, it did give us a baseline that shows what is required to cut Thanos.

Iw Thor’s ring pull was unquantifiable therefore it can’t be used

It can be used, and it is quantifiable. But, nobody has quantified it yet. The issue lies in the process of quantification as we don't know what the rings are made out of. If the material is similar to stainless steel or titanium, that is a feat of around 10ktons.

Iw Thor loses to dceu wonder woman

It is very well possible for that to happen. Wonder Woman (in her god mode) is not only immune to lightning, but also capable of redirecting it at her attacker, she is faster than Thor, and she boasts a weapon that is capable of slicing Doomsday's arm off.

Iw Thor didn’t tank the energy from the neutron star because he almost died

He clearly took the energy from a star. But, again, hard to quantify exactly how much energy. Also, he barely tanked it. You should bear in mind that there are many that demand for people to remain in fighting condition to claim that they have "TANKED" something.

MCU Thanos will full IG loses to dceu Superman

Snap

Mcu Thor isn’t magic

Wasn't this stated by the directors of the MCU? I mean, i might be wrong, but i distinctly remember interviews where they said that Asguardians don't use magic.

Mcu Odin is fodder

Very well might be. He has no feats whatsoever which makes him unusable in Battles.

I’ve seen most of these arguments in battles with mcu characters vs dceu/cw characters

Probably because that is what you are interested in.

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#34 Edited by The_Magister (14299 posts) - - Show Bio
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#35 Posted by xZone (10347 posts) - - Show Bio
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#36 Posted by The_Magister (14299 posts) - - Show Bio

@xzone: I apologize for insulting TOAA

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#37 Posted by Toratorn (7273 posts) - - Show Bio

Split durability and combat speed being a thing.

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#39 Edited by Matthew660 (1677 posts) - - Show Bio

@chimeroid: how is one punch man not planet level..he canceld a planet level attack without any effort. And some arguments say it was a surface level attack but either way, he did it with little to no effort so...

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#40 Posted by IndomitableRegal (16246 posts) - - Show Bio

Ooh. This should be fun. First and foremost:

Popular things = Bad

This. And the opposite (Unpopular means underrated or misunderstood). What else...

  • "You think such and such wins, but I don't. Therefore you're a fanboy."
  • Conversely, "I think such and such wins, but you don't. Therefore you're a hater/biased."
  • "Here come the *insert popular franchise here* fanboys/wankers" 3 posts into a thread.
  • Such and such wins a lot of battles. We should derail every thread with jokes of them being multiversal. (Here's looking at you CW Ollie and MCU Cap lol).
  • Poor choreography = lack of skill
  • We can make an utter mismatch interesting by equalizing one or more stats (very rarely does someone make a good equalized stats thread).
  • Forgetting that everything isn't made just to provide feats.
  • Different opinions = wrong

And on and on...

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#41 Posted by Chimeroid (9267 posts) - - Show Bio

@chimeroid: how is one punch man not planet level..he canceld a planet level attack without any effort. And some arguments say it was a surface level attack but either way, he did it with little to no effort so...

I wouldn't place him above Moon Level overall as of yet. He will probably get there tho.

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#42 Posted by seastone98 (4702 posts) - - Show Bio

@toratorn said:

Powerscaling is only acceptable for anime/manga characters, comic book characters are not allowed to scale to anyone and must only have clear-cut feats.

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#43 Posted by Kevd4wg (12798 posts) - - Show Bio
@toratorn said:

Split durability and combat speed being a thing.

Lol wut?

Oh and these 100%

Muh “civilian with katana stomps MCU Cap cause he never fought a swordsman”

@the_magister said:

Anything KoL says...

Or the CW Arrow wank.

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#44 Posted by Godren (3781 posts) - - Show Bio

Bigger explosions>hax.

Bigger stats arbitrarily gives you resistance to every form of hax.

Being immortal means not even the multiverse blowing up will kill you.

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#45 Posted by Supermanthor (20301 posts) - - Show Bio

@kilgpmktra: are beyonders more powerful than pre retcon beyonder ?

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#46 Posted by Jko1 (3091 posts) - - Show Bio

The dumbest one has to be that attack potency=/=durability. That argument is strait up just pseudo science. WHATEVER FORCE YOU CAN OUTPUT IS EQUAL TO WHATEVER FORCE YOU CAN TAKE. It’s newton’s third law of motion guys.

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#47 Posted by Debelindzo (832 posts) - - Show Bio

When someone starts quoting a 10 page long post with 200 scans when they could've just normally replied. Its so f****ing annoying.

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#48 Posted by Gaoron (8965 posts) - - Show Bio

*insert anything I don't like is dumb comment here*

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#49 Posted by universeichigo1 (1828 posts) - - Show Bio

NFL.

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#50 Posted by DrPepperMan (6288 posts) - - Show Bio

Most things said by most people with under 20k posted.