Speed or Telepathy: which is more overpowered?

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Poll Speed or Telepathy: which is more overpowered? (78 votes)

Speed 62%
Telepathy 38%

Two of the most overpowered powers on this site. Whenever these two powers are used in battles, it's always speed blitz this or mind rape that.

Which is more overpowered?

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Yes

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Ultra Instinct Goku is so fast that he can dodge telepathy so speed > telepathy

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This term is so Mind 'Rape' is so weird/gross, but Speed would be the choice.

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Probably speed, because you can be a powerful telepath but if you can't TP someone fast enough then it's useless, and the "speed of thought" in comics doesn't have a well defined value, it's super inconsistent.

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Speed

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Telepathy.

Speed can be countered in many ways, such as intangibility, teleportation, telekinesis, etc. Telepathy can only be countered by having sufficient telepathic resistances.

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Telepathy and other glass canon abilities are useless if the character isn't fast enough to react, while speed improves almost everything.

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Ultra Instinct Goku is so fast that he can dodge telepathy so speed > telepathy

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Telepathy is more OP but speed is more fun. Moving very fast is fun as well.

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@skywalker95: you can’t just say speed. What kind of speed? Are you talking about superman and flash levels or something like quicksilver? If you are talking about characters like the flash and Superman then they can circle the globe before a non-speedster can process one thought so in that case it”s speed. They are so OP that they can’t even use their speed to its fullest potential because there would be no story. Even a low level speedster like quicksilver is hard to write for if he uses his speed to its fullest potential. If you are talking about characters like spiderman than telepathy might be more OP.

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@geekryan said:

Telepathy.

Speed can be countered in many ways, such as intangibility, teleportation, telekinesis, etc. Telepathy can only be countered by having sufficient telepathic resistances.

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Speed!

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Telepathy. Plus telepaths that can exist in their astral forms without bodies have

-superspeed

-intangubility

-step between time and dimesions

-have speedster level perception and can make time move slower

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Telepathy is still slowed down by the speed of thought

There are many speedsters who'd see that as a joke

Like MUI Goku for example

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Speed is more haxed as such if you look at characters like flash. TP on the other hand while being a useful ability will be no match as someone who moves faster than thought.

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I would say speed because people on this site seem to think speed counteracts thought. Flash can't run faster than captain cold can think for instance. In marvel, thought is also faster than speed so when comparing the two it's a wash to which is faster.

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@skywalker95: you can’t just say speed. What kind of speed? Are you talking about superman and flash levels or something like quicksilver? If you are talking about characters like the flash and Superman then they can circle the globe before a non-speedster can process one thought so in that case it”s speed. They are so OP that they can’t even use their speed to its fullest potential because there would be no story. Even a low level speedster like quicksilver is hard to write for if he uses his speed to its fullest potential. If you are talking about characters like spiderman than telepathy might be more OP.

Literally any character who's considered to be a speedster.

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Speed blitz

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@panda_emperorix: speed of thought in marvel is faster than light

Telepaths in marvel can travel lightyears in seconds if theyre powerful enough

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@newecho said:

I would say speed because people on this site seem to think speed counteracts thought. Flash can't run faster than captain cold can think for instance. In marvel, thought is also faster than speed so when comparing the two it's a wash to which is faster.

The flash can circle the globe multiple times before cold can think. He just doesn’t fight that way because his stories would end in 4 panels. There really isn’t nothing stopping the flash from just blitzing all of his opponents except for the need to tell a story.

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@geekryan said:

Telepathy.

Speed can be countered in many ways, such as intangibility, teleportation, telekinesis, etc. Telepathy can only be countered by having sufficient telepathic resistances.

It depends on how fast their opponents are. characters like the flash and Superman can just ko or kill them before a telepath even processed a thought. A person who can go intangible still has to think about it before he does it. There really is no defense against a character killing his opponents before they can register a thought.

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@geekryan said:

Telepathy.

Speed can be countered in many ways, such as intangibility, teleportation, telekinesis, etc. Telepathy can only be countered by having sufficient telepathic resistances.

It depends on how fast their opponents are. characters like the flash and Superman can just ko or kill them before a telepath even processed a thought. A person who can go intangible still has to think about it before he does it. There really is no defense against a character killing his opponents before they can register a thought.

this isn't true tho and why i think speed is overrated. In marvel, thought is faster than anything.

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@panda_emperorix: speed of thought in marvel is faster than light

Telepaths in marvel can travel lightyears in seconds if theyre powerful enough

Still too slow compared to Goku

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This term is so Mind 'Rape' is so weird/gross, but Speed would be the choice.

It is, but at this point it’s pretty ingrained as a slang to change it.

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Telepathy is still slowed down by the speed of thought

There are many speedsters who'd see that as a joke

Like MUI Goku for example

Goku has never faced a proper telepath before to say he could ever.

Nor am I even positive you know exactly how fast the speed of thought is.

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@newecho said:

I would say speed because people on this site seem to think speed counteracts thought. Flash can't run faster than captain cold can think for instance. In marvel, thought is also faster than speed so when comparing the two it's a wash to which is faster.

I think people tend to confuse reaction and reflex speed with thought based speed, which is why people keep saying they would be speed-blitzed before they can do anything. The reality of the matter is in comics, telepaths don’t physically do anything. Their powers activate the very moment the thought manifests in their head.

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@geekryan said:

Telepathy.

Speed can be countered in many ways, such as intangibility, teleportation, telekinesis, etc. Telepathy can only be countered by having sufficient telepathic resistances.

It depends on how fast their opponents are. characters like the flash and Superman can just ko or kill them before a telepath even processed a thought. A person who can go intangible still has to think about it before he does it. There really is no defense against a character killing his opponents before they can register a thought.

What are you talking about? Thoughts aren’t processed at all. Not unless it’s going over concepts it doesn’t understand or is meditating.

A telepath’s power is the very thought that manifest in their head, focused by their will and psionic energy. Thoughts are created, not processed as if they have to be ready to send out. It’s not some intricate process that goes through cycles to determine if the thought is finished and ready. It exists as it is created. Thats it.

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#30  Edited By Pandalumina

@pyrofn said:
@panda_emperorix said:

Telepathy is still slowed down by the speed of thought

There are many speedsters who'd see that as a joke

Like MUI Goku for example

Goku has never faced a proper telepath before to say he could ever.

Nor am I even positive you know exactly how fast the speed of thought is.

Oh boi

Please don't act like you know what you're talking about

The speed at which the electric signals travel through your brain is nowhere near the speed of light.

A telepath would do jack to Goku due to him not using his brain or needing to think in MUI. They would get blitzed before their synapses start firing

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@pyrofn said:
@panda_emperorix said:

Telepathy is still slowed down by the speed of thought

There are many speedsters who'd see that as a joke

Like MUI Goku for example

Goku has never faced a proper telepath before to say he could ever.

Nor am I even positive you know exactly how fast the speed of thought is.

Oh boi

Please don't act like you know what you're talking about

The speed at which the electric signals travel through your brain is nowhere near the speed of light.

A telepath would do jack to Goku due to him not using his brain or needing to think in MUI. They would get blitzed before their synapses start firing

News flash: It’s comics, not real life. What is dictated as canon in fiction is what’s written on the page or screen, not what is proven by science in real life. Otherwise, Goku’s powers would be deemed impossible by real life’s standards because its fiction.

Follow your own advice and don’t speak on something you’ve no clue about because Marvel does dictate it as faster than light on multiple occasions.

And there are multiple telepathic feats in comics that prove this to be the exact case.

Lastly, Just because Goku doesn’t use his brain does not mean he all of a sudden lacks one. Not using it does not make him immune to telepathy. Not unless he displays the feats to say he is. So, unless you can provide feats of him literally being unaffected by an actual, legitimate telepath, I am gonna remain immovable on this point.

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Telepathy because in order to use super speed well, you need other super powers in addition. Otherwise you end up with all your limbs ripping off or the entire area around you vaporizes when you sprint or any number of other horrifying realities that come with not having the speed force to say no to physics. You couldn't even see or react when you start running at any crazy speed even if you were super durable.

tl;dr super speed without other super powers is a great way to end up dead.

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Speed by far especially if your perception, reaction, movement, travel, flight, and combat speeds are all equal

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#34  Edited By diydeath

@kasya_carey said:

Speed by far especially if your perception, reaction, movement, travel, flight, and combat speeds are all equal

Without super durability your limbs would just rip off. Marvel had a version of Quicksilver who ran into this issue...get it...ran into...okay I'll show myself out meow!

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@panda_emperorix: speed of thought in marvel is faster than light

Telepaths in marvel can travel lightyears in seconds if theyre powerful enough

Also in Marvel, the speed of sound is on par with the speed of light via Klaw vs Dazzler

Also in Marvel being light speed is slower than explosions, which are generally around hypersonic Monica moving at light speed towards Magneto's Asteroid

Also in Marvel Monica stated the speed of light is faster than the speed of thought travel speed-wise

Also in the Marvel Xavier feared it may be too moving at the speed of thought to reach a space station above Earth. Keep in mind it takes light 1 second from Earth to reach the moon, which means the feat is exponentially slower than lightning

Also in Marvel Spiderman outreacted Moondragon with the speed of thought reactions but failed to react to a light blast from Monica

Just about all Psionic users in Marvel operate at the speed of thought. Yet so many of them have been tagged or failed to react to someone or objects, not even lightning speed.

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@diydeath: Yeah I was mostly thinking of anime characters like Naruto and Ikaros

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@pyrofn said:
@panda_emperorix said:
@pyrofn said:
@panda_emperorix said:

Telepathy is still slowed down by the speed of thought

There are many speedsters who'd see that as a joke

Like MUI Goku for example

Goku has never faced a proper telepath before to say he could ever.

Nor am I even positive you know exactly how fast the speed of thought is.

Oh boi

Please don't act like you know what you're talking about

The speed at which the electric signals travel through your brain is nowhere near the speed of light.

A telepath would do jack to Goku due to him not using his brain or needing to think in MUI. They would get blitzed before their synapses start firing

News flash: It’s comics, not real life. What is dictated as canon in fiction is what’s written on the page or screen, not what is proven by science in real life. Otherwise, Goku’s powers would be deemed impossible by real life’s standards because its fiction.

Follow your own advice and don’t speak on something you’ve no clue about because Marvel does dictate it as faster than light on multiple occasions.

And there are multiple telepathic feats in comics that prove this to be the exact case.

Lastly, Just because Goku doesn’t use his brain does not mean he all of a sudden lacks one. Not using it does not make him immune to telepathy. Not unless he displays the feats to say he is. So, unless you can provide feats of him literally being unaffected by an actual, legitimate telepath, I am gonna remain immovable on this point.

Please don't give me that crap about what mavel has. Marvel is notorious for being loosely based on real life with their terms meaning something completely different. They aren't the bar we're using in this discussion so please leave that nonsense out. The majority of fiction and non fiction treat light as faster than thought. There's nothing that you can say to argue this aside from "mArVeL hAs tHoUgHt fAsTeR tHaN LiGht".

Your scans are meaningless

Telepaths aren't reacting to an opponent going beyond lightspeed. By the time they've gathered their thoughts together, they are already dead. Goku doesn't need to tank any of their attacks and even if he did, that wouldn't affect MUI at all since it doesn't rely on his mind.

The telepath is dead before the fight even started

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@pyrofn:Then post a calc or give a general idea of by what margin the speed of thought outspeeds light by in Marvel. Just supposedly being vaguely faster than light isn't going to cut it for blitzing Goku of all people, especially with his laughable speed advantage and the fact he has no reliance on his thoughts or consciousness and reacts immediately

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@del_torro said:

@panda_emperorix: speed of thought in marvel is faster than light

Telepaths in marvel can travel lightyears in seconds if theyre powerful enough

Also in Marvel, the speed of sound is on par with the speed of light via Klaw vs Dazzler

Also in Marvel being light speed is slower than explosions, which are generally around hypersonic Monica moving at light speed towards Magneto's Asteroid

Also in Marvel Monica stated the speed of light is faster than the speed of thought travel speed-wise

Also in the Marvel Xavier feared it may be too moving at the speed of thought to reach a space station above Earth. Keep in mind it takes light 1 second from Earth to reach the moon, which means the feat is exponentially slower than lightning

Also in Marvel Spiderman outreacted Moondragon with the speed of thought reactions but failed to react to a light blast from Monica

Just about all Psionic users in Marvel operate at the speed of thought. Yet so many of them have been tagged or failed to react to someone or objects, not even lightning speed.

????

-if youre out here equating the speed of sound to the speed of light, then i have no words for you.

-"Also in Marvel being light speed is slower than explosions, which are generally around hypersonic Monica moving at light speed towards Magneto's Asteroid"

Read this sentence yourself, no part of it makes sense.

-the same monica that god blitzed in light fprm by a telepath in astral form

-xavier has also used telepathy across a star system in seconds, used t to connec to the shiar galaxy, used it to search the deep cosmsos and used it out to outrun radiation. But lets pick the one where he doesnt go into space in one second to debunk everything.

- fongrtulations to spiderman for his lightspeed reactions. Spiderman cat reat to jeans telekinesis despite spider senses and doest even know when shes using TP on him.

-if you saw my earlier comment in this thread, youd see that im not saying telepaths have light speed reactions or can react to speedsters in ther phsical bodys. I said powerful telepaths can operate at light speed i their astral form. That doesnt stop them from being blitzed in their regular body.

Im not trying to say they can combat speedsters without getting blitzed, i was just pointing out how in astral form, telepaths have powers similar to super speed.

Such as perceiving time slowed down (allowing them to have conversations between seconds while time is frozen), high processing speed (able to scan read and categorize every mind on earth in seconds), ftl travel/projection speed (able to procject their minds across galaxies, dimensions and time )

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@pyrofn: Wait a sec....you don’t actually think telepaths like Jean or Emma can beat GOKU? Dragon Ball is an entirely different class of fighters. Waaaaay too OP.

They make Naruto characters look slow. You shouldn’t even be talking about Goku, you should be using Piccolo, or Android 18. Their verse is too overpowered for Telepaths like Jean, Emma, or Rachel. You need to use the stronger marvel characters, most mutants wouldn’t suffice.

By harnessing Ki(inner energy), Dragon Ball characters can fly, move at Massively FTL+ speeds, use telepathy, telekinesis, teleportation, sense people’s presence, and shoot energy blasts that can destroy solar systems or in Goku’s case universes.

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Speed for sure

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Telepathy can be used by characters without a physical body and resistance to it isn't common in all media.

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I remember Wally West's mind being too fast for MMH to even tap into.

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@pyrofn said:
@panda_emperorix said:
@pyrofn said:
@panda_emperorix said:

Telepathy is still slowed down by the speed of thought

There are many speedsters who'd see that as a joke

Like MUI Goku for example

Goku has never faced a proper telepath before to say he could ever.

Nor am I even positive you know exactly how fast the speed of thought is.

Oh boi

Please don't act like you know what you're talking about

The speed at which the electric signals travel through your brain is nowhere near the speed of light.

A telepath would do jack to Goku due to him not using his brain or needing to think in MUI. They would get blitzed before their synapses start firing

News flash: It’s comics, not real life. What is dictated as canon in fiction is what’s written on the page or screen, not what is proven by science in real life. Otherwise, Goku’s powers would be deemed impossible by real life’s standards because its fiction.

Follow your own advice and don’t speak on something you’ve no clue about because Marvel does dictate it as faster than light on multiple occasions.

And there are multiple telepathic feats in comics that prove this to be the exact case.

Lastly, Just because Goku doesn’t use his brain does not mean he all of a sudden lacks one. Not using it does not make him immune to telepathy. Not unless he displays the feats to say he is. So, unless you can provide feats of him literally being unaffected by an actual, legitimate telepath, I am gonna remain immovable on this point.

Please don't give me that crap about what mavel has. Marvel is notorious for being loosely based on real life with their terms meaning something completely different. They aren't the bar we're using in this discussion so please leave that nonsense out. The majority of fiction and non fiction treat light as faster than thought. There's nothing that you can say to argue this aside from "mArVeL hAs tHoUgHt fAsTeR tHaN LiGht".

Your scans are meaningless

Telepaths aren't reacting to an opponent going beyond lightspeed. By the time they've gathered their thoughts together, they are already dead. Goku doesn't need to tank any of their attacks and even if he did, that wouldn't affect MUI at all since it doesn't rely on his mind.

The telepath is dead before the fight even started

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1) “Please don't give me that crap about what mavel has. Marvel is notorious for being loosely based on real life with their terms meaning something completely different. They aren't the bar we're using in this discussion so please leave that nonsense out

This discussion is about speed vs telepathy in fiction. I will use whatever medium I desire to explain my viewpoint. Considering the vine is notorious about crossing universe over to put characters against each other, there as absolutely no reason I couldn’t use Marvel.

2) “The majority of fiction and non fiction treat light as faster than thought.”

Then I guess Marvel is a mere outlier in that department, if what you’re saying is true to begin with.

3) “There's nothing that you can say to argue this aside from "mArVeL hAs tHoUgHt fAsTeR tHaN LiGht".

Your scans are meaningless

Okay. That is fair. Marvel is an exception, not the rule.

4) “Telepaths aren't reacting to an opponent going beyond lightspeed. By the time they've gathered their thoughts together, they are already dead.”

I’ll take your word on that.

5) “Goku doesn't need to tank any of their attacks and even if he did, that wouldn't affect MUI at all since it doesn't rely on his mind.”

I will leave the first point at that.

I’m gonna ignore the second part, since that goes into an entirely different discussion from what the topic of this thread is.

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#46  Edited By PyroFN

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@pyrofn: Wait a sec....you don’t actually think telepaths like Jean or Emma can beat GOKU? Dragon Ball is an entirely different class of fighters. Waaaaay too OP.

They make Naruto characters look slow. You shouldn’t even be talking about Goku, you should be using Piccolo, or Android 18. Their verse is too overpowered for Telepaths like Jean, Emma, or Rachel. You need to use the stronger marvel characters, most mutants wouldn’t suffice.

By harnessing Ki(inner energy), Dragon Ball characters can fly, move at Massively FTL+ speeds, use telepathy, telekinesis, teleportation, sense people’s presence, and shoot energy blasts that can destroy solar systems or in Goku’s case universes.

Wait a sec....you don’t actually think telepaths like Jean or Emma can beat GOKU? Dragon Ball is an entirely different class of fighters. Waaaaay too OP.

No one is mentioning specific characters. This is conversation about speed vs telepathy. Not Jean and Emma vs Goku. If I meant Jean or Emma, I would have said Jean or Emma.

Mutants aren’t the only telepaths that exist in the Marvel universe, so this discussion is going into more than simply two characters whom we have discussed and belong in the thread they were mentioned to begin with.

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@pyrofn said:
@nassergrant19 said:

@pyrofn: Wait a sec....you don’t actually think telepaths like Jean or Emma can beat GOKU? Dragon Ball is an entirely different class of fighters. Waaaaay too OP.

They make Naruto characters look slow. You shouldn’t even be talking about Goku, you should be using Piccolo, or Android 18. Their verse is too overpowered for Telepaths like Jean, Emma, or Rachel. You need to use the stronger marvel characters, most mutants wouldn’t suffice.

By harnessing Ki(inner energy), Dragon Ball characters can fly, move at Massively FTL+ speeds, use telepathy, telekinesis, teleportation, sense people’s presence, and shoot energy blasts that can destroy solar systems or in Goku’s case universes.

Wait a sec....you don’t actually think telepaths like Jean or Emma can beat GOKU? Dragon Ball is an entirely different class of fighters. Waaaaay too OP.

No one is mentioning specific characters. This is conversation about speed vs telepathy. Not Jean and Emma vs Goku. If I meant Jean or Emma, I would have said Jean or Emma.

Mutants aren’t the only telepaths that exist in the Marvel universe, so this discussion is going into more than simply two characters whom we have discussed and belong in the thread they were mentioned to begin with.

Ohh ok, thanks for clearing that up.

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@pyrofn:Then post a calc or give a general idea of by what margin the speed of thought outspeeds light by in Marvel. Just supposedly being vaguely faster than light isn't going to cut it for blitzing Goku of all people, especially with his laughable speed advantage and the fact he has no reliance on his thoughts or consciousness and reacts immediately

I don’t do fan calcs. Nor is there an actual calculation in canon for how fast it goes. But it does not take a genius to see that when a telepath is projecting or scanning across a Galaxy, they are projecting their powers at faster than light speed.

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@pyrofn said:
@panda_emperorix said:
@pyrofn said:
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Telepathy is still slowed down by the speed of thought

There are many speedsters who'd see that as a joke

Like MUI Goku for example

Goku has never faced a proper telepath before to say he could ever.

Nor am I even positive you know exactly how fast the speed of thought is.

Oh boi

Please don't act like you know what you're talking about

The speed at which the electric signals travel through your brain is nowhere near the speed of light.

A telepath would do jack to Goku due to him not using his brain or needing to think in MUI. They would get blitzed before their synapses start firing

News flash: It’s comics, not real life. What is dictated as canon in fiction is what’s written on the page or screen, not what is proven by science in real life. Otherwise, Goku’s powers would be deemed impossible by real life’s standards because its fiction.

Follow your own advice and don’t speak on something you’ve no clue about because Marvel does dictate it as faster than light on multiple occasions.

And there are multiple telepathic feats in comics that prove this to be the exact case.

Lastly, Just because Goku doesn’t use his brain does not mean he all of a sudden lacks one. Not using it does not make him immune to telepathy. Not unless he displays the feats to say he is. So, unless you can provide feats of him literally being unaffected by an actual, legitimate telepath, I am gonna remain immovable on this point.

Please don't give me that crap about what mavel has. Marvel is notorious for being loosely based on real life with their terms meaning something completely different. They aren't the bar we're using in this discussion so please leave that nonsense out. The majority of fiction and non fiction treat light as faster than thought. There's nothing that you can say to argue this aside from "mArVeL hAs tHoUgHt fAsTeR tHaN LiGht".

Your scans are meaningless

Telepaths aren't reacting to an opponent going beyond lightspeed. By the time they've gathered their thoughts together, they are already dead. Goku doesn't need to tank any of their attacks and even if he did, that wouldn't affect MUI at all since it doesn't rely on his mind.

The telepath is dead before the fight even started

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This discussion is about speed vs telepathy in fiction. I will use whatever medium I desire to explain my viewpoint. Considering the vine is notorious about crossing universe over to put characters against each other, there as absolutely no reason I couldn’t use Marvel.

Using Marvel as a reference is irrelevant to the discussion since we're using the interpretation that's normally used as far as the definitions go. You can use whatever you want though.

Then I guess Marvel is a mere outlier in that department, if what you’re saying is true to begin with.

Marvel has no clue what they're writing most of the time. like Flash saving an entire city within a microsecond being below light speed and Hulk being calculated to destroy something something decillion universes in one scan. Marvel shouldn't be used for the bar for anything and it never usually is. Lol

I will leave the first point at that.

I’m gonna ignore the second part, since that goes into an entirely different discussion from what the topic of this thread is.

Ok

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I remember Wally West's mind being too fast for MMH to even tap into.

Except current MMH has gotten insane TP feats like tp'ing at planck time and such.