# Some rough MCU/DCEU calcs

KryptonianKing88

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### Poll Some rough MCU/DCEU calcs (15 votes)

Yes 67%
No 13%
only with a kick 20%

## Cap kicks a guy

Avg weight of a U.S. soldier ≈ 77 kg

Distance ≈ 20 ft

Time in the air ≈ 0.6

Velocity ≈ 33 m/s

Acceleration = 33/.1 = 330 m/s^2

F = 77 x 330 = 25,410 N = 2.59 tons

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Keep in mind the guy would've went much further if he didn't smack into that wall. And considering the fact that 3,300 newtons has a decent chance of breaking your ribs, this guy is likely very dead.

## Hulk's Backhand

Hulk weighs 680 kg. The Hulkbuster is around a head taller, noticeably wider, and made of metal so I think it's safe to say he's around 2-3 tons. Since this was a replacement part and not the full suit, I'll put it at merely twice the Hulk's weight at 1360 kg or 1.5 tons.

Weight = 1,360 kg

Distance ≈ 23 m

Time between punch and satellite ≈ 0.8

Speed = 28.75 m/s

Acceleration = 28.75/.04 = 718.75 m/s^2

F = 977,500 N = 99.68 tons

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Another lowball. I didn't account for Hulk having to overpower its thrusters and the part getting stopped by the satellite.

## Hulk shakes a street

Concrete weighs 2,400 kg per cubic meter and is generally 6 inches thick on roads.

Area is around 15 m^2

Volume of the concrete shook ≈ 34 m^3

Mass of concrete = 81,600 kg or 90 tons

Hulk however dug down to roughly his height, so I'll also add in the mass of the soil. Soil has a weight of 1,700 kg per cubic meter.

Volume = 2. 4 x 15^2 = 540 m^3

Mass of soil = 918,000 ≈ 1,000 tons

Total mass = 999,600 kg

Hulk shook the street pretty violently, you can see cars jump slightly or slide back. I'll assume it moved he moved it about 6 inches.

Distance = .15 m

Time = .7

Velocity = .21 m/s

Acceleration = .21/.05 = 4.28 m/s^2

F = 4,284,000 N ≈ 437 tons

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Bit of a lowball. The force wouldn't transfer so well through soil, plus I didn't account for the weight of the soil or the possible added weight of the buildings

### So, with the MCU calcs done, I ask, can Cap replicate Bucky feat of cracking concrete?

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Joker567892

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You should calc Red Skull denying steel.

KryptonianKing88

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## Zod uppercut

Superman, at around 90 kg, went pretty high, about 3/4 its height. Let's assume it's as tall as the Burj Khalifa

Distance ≈ 620 m

Mass ≈ 90 kg

Time spent flying ≈ 1.6

Velocity = 387.5 m/s

Acceleration = 387.5/.06 = 6458 m/s^2

F ≈ 580,000 N ≈ 59 tons

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A lowball. Superman used flight to stop himself and he did collide with the building

## Orbital punch

This one comes from the novel, where it's stated his knee strikes can send a lock safe into orbit.

Gun safes are anywhere between 200 and 5,000 lb. Let's take the high end of an entry level safe: 600 lb

Mass = 272 kg

We'll assume it's at low orbit, with a max of 2,000 km

Distance = 2,000,000

I'm guessing how it would look onscreen

Time flying = 5 seconds

Velocity = 400,000 m/s

Acceleration = 400,000/.05 = 8,000,000 m/s^2

F = 2,176,000,000 N ≈ 222,000 Tons or 220 kilotons

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I don't wanna sound like a lowballer here, but this is clearly hyperbole if a weaker Supes is tanking force that bodied a stronger Supes who was hiding behind an energy absorber.

KryptonianKing88

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Messed up the Cap kick

Distance = 6.09 m

time = .6

V = 10.15
A = 101.5 m/s^2

F = 7,815 N or 0.8 tons

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#4  Edited By CocaColaMan

When you get up to these levels of power, I'm not the biggest fan of calcs. Since you lowballed practically all of them, I haven't got an issue (better than me,) but I can't see 100 tons overpowering the Hulkbuster.

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#5  Edited By The_Hajduk

These are all very agreeable calcs. Every single one is a massive lowball so nobody should have any problem with these numbers.

That overpowered Cap kick still makes me cringe and cheer all at once.

KryptonianKing88

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@cocacolaman: True. Their striking should scale way higher than what's calced based off their higher end feats

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Agreed. Putting the Hulkbuster at the weight of a car is just a ridiculous lowball. The whole Hulkbuster has to weigh at least 50 tons, it is similar to a tank.

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I asked a art guy on Facebook, he says he doesn't know the weight....lol.

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It’s a gigantic mech suit so the people on here who say it is only a few tons are pretty silly to me. It’s supposed to be as big and as strong and as heavy as possible to overpower the Hulk, it can barely even fly.

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#10  Edited By Eredin12

@kryptonianking88: I disagree for one simple reason, you calculated this by using F= MA which as far as i know is a formula for how hard some object hits something when it has certain acceleration and has a certain mass, that is not a formula for how much force you need to send some object flying 200 or 300 meters, or accelerate it at a certain speed, you did not calculate how much force does Zod or hulk needs to sned those objects flying that much distance, no, you calculated with how much force does that object hits something, i have seen calcs that put Zod punch in 1000+ ton range which is far more logical and accurate than Zod hiting as hard as 25mm bullets( 50 cal can hit with 12 tons force so 25 can hit as hard as Zod by this cal) same bullets Hulk no solled in avengers, hell by this calc sending something 3 times heavier than human into orbit would be only 222,000 Tons but let's see what scientist has to say about it

The amount of force needed to punch an average man into space is equal to the output of 4,500 aircraft carriers according to this source. This is the aircraft carrier they are using by the way, the Nimitz-class which weighs 97 thousand tonnes.

"A Nimitz class aircraft carrier has a mass of about 9 x 107 kg. In order to produce the same force on Superman's neck, you could hang him upside down and then have 4,500 aircraft carriers hang from his head.

This is around 450 million tonnes worth of force needed to punch a man of 70kg 420km into space, yet according to this calc you would need only 222 000 tons to sned 3 times heavier object 5 times greater distance, that is my problem with it,not to mention that distance Hulk sent hulkbuster flying was not 28 meters but 280 meters

KryptonianKing88

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#11  Edited By KryptonianKing88

for the calcs I assumed the object getting hit was stationary and in a frictionless setting (drag wouldn’t really matter in most of these anyways) so the force they had was the force they were hit with

Your article goes way more in depth than I did. He talks about drag and gravity which just add to the punch’s power. It just proves the statement as hyperbole

Besides that, what do you think about the tremor feat? It seems shaking a lot of mass requires quite a bit of power.

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#12  Edited By Eredin12

for the calcs I assumed the object getting hit was stationary and in a frictionless setting (drag wouldn’t really matter in most of these anyways) so the force they had was the force they were hit with

Still its wrong formula as far as i know, this is a formula for how much force does object that movies at certain speed have, not for how much force you need to send the same object flying a certain distance, UFC fighters can punch with 700 kg of force( some of them) that does not mean that when they punch bottle and sent if flying it will have the same force, it will not, it will lack mass their body has, thir arm is 100 times heavier, 2 or 3 times faster speed or acceleration ( sicne they punch at 60KMH) is not enaguh to make it close, so i believe this is wrong formula Zod sending Superman 280 meters should still be 1000+ ton punch at least, by this calc multi-ton Hulkbuster that moves near the speed of sound hits only 8 times harder than 50g bullet that movies at 3 times faster speed( since 50 cal hits with 12 tons of force)

It just proves the statement as hyperbole

Its not really hyperbole, people often like to call evrything in novel hyperbole, this is to clear to be hyperbole, writer literally says exactly what hit can do, its also consistent for novel, in the same novel he says that they hit each other harder than any mad made wepon, which proves his intention even further, its just non-canon since that scene never happened in the movie but novel Clark is far more powerful than DCEU movie Clark, that is for sure

KryptonianKing88

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I assumed an ideal setting. If a UFC fighter punched something and the force transferred perfectly, a lighter object would travel faster to make up for the lack of mass and the heavier object would travel slower, but the force would still come out the same.

Zoe’s probably could come out that high. The scenes are slowed down and he still moves at supersonic speeds, but I was going off pure visuals

Bro it’s hyperbole, a secondary source that directly contradicts the film. You’re saying Clark’s gonna eat 47 megaton hits that are stronger than any man made weapon and then get bodied in the next film by 300 kilotons?

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#14  Edited By Eredin12

I assumed an ideal setting. If a UFC fighter punched something and the force transferred perfectly, a lighter object would travel faster to make up for the lack of mass and the heavier object would travel slower, but the force would still come out the same.

I am not sure that is how to force transfer works at all, if UFC fighter punched something 100 times lighter than his arm, say empty 0,5 L bottle the object would literally need to have 50 times greater acceleration than his arm to make up for lack of its mass to hit with same force, his arm moves at 60 KMH that would mean his punch would send it flying at nearly hypersonic speeds, and that is not happening, the bottle will move maybe 2 times faster than his arm but not much more than that

With this Hulkbuster hiting that satellite is around 100 times stronger than a punch from Francis Ngannou, around 70 stronger than his kick, Zods skyscraper feat is like 40 times stronger than his punch and only 20 times stronger than his kick, and yet when we use kinetic energy to calculate the strength of impact instead of force we get that Hulkbuster hit that satellite with 500 000 times greater force than a punch from Francis( which has KJ of 400 J, if we use KJ to calculate it we get around 70 kg of TNT, i think i saw video where 100 kg was used to destroy Skycaper but i am not sure) that makes far more snese honestly than this, you see just like you calculated Orbit thing to be 220 000 tons but in reality its more like 2 billions of tons of force, i am sure that these other factors make that feat far better as well, Zod feat should be 1000+ ton feat and Hulkbuster should be 50 000+ ton feat

Bro it’s hyperbole, a secondary source that directly contradicts the film. You’re saying Clark’s gonna eat 47 megaton hits that are stronger than any man made weapon and then get bodied in the next film by 300 kilotons?

No, i am just saying its non-canon to DCEU verse since it contradicts the movie

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That Hulk ground shake calc tho

"Volume of the concrete shook ≈ 34 m^3"??? How did you calculate this? If the area is 15m^2 and the depth 6 inches the volume would be 0.381m^3.

There is a also a sewer system below city streets and we can actually see a manhole several feet from where Hulk is trapped. So factoring in the soil is not a justified choice.

Crunch5481

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Burj Khalifa height???? Why? That's not a good assumption at all. You'd be better off with counting the stories on the side of the building.

Crunch5481

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"I don't wanna sound like a lowballer here, but this is clearly hyperbole if a weaker Supes is tanking force that bodied a stronger Supes who was hiding behind an energy absorber."

Are you insinuating it was the force of the Nuke that bodied Superman? Force doesn't make you look drained of energy. I think the evidence shows that it was the fact he was so thoroughly drained that caused him to be KOd. Snyder specifically said he drew inspiration from Frank Miller's The Dark Night Returns. Superman was hit with a Nuke in that and he was in an almost identical state where he was thinned and very drained of solar energy.

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@eredin12 said:

I assumed an ideal setting. If a UFC fighter punched something and the force transferred perfectly, a lighter object would travel faster to make up for the lack of mass and the heavier object would travel slower, but the force would still come out the same.

I am not sure that is how to force transfer works at all, if UFC fighter punched something 100 times lighter than his arm, say empty 0,5 L bottle the object would literally need to have 50 times greater acceleration than his arm to make up for lack of its mass to hit with same force, his arm moves at 60 KMH that would mean his punch would send it flying at nearly hypersonic speeds, and that is not happening, the bottle will move maybe 2 times faster than his arm but not much more than that

Under his condition of perfect force transfer he is correct. But a 0.5 liter plastic bottle deforms on impact causing the impulse to lower as the force is transferred over a longer period of time.

With this Hulkbuster hiting that satellite is around 100 times stronger than a punch from Francis Ngannou, around 70 stronger than his kick, Zods skyscraper feat is like 40 times stronger than his punch and only 20 times stronger than his kick, and yet when we use kinetic energy to calculate the strength of impact instead of force we get that Hulkbuster hit that satellite with 500 000 times greater force than a punch from Francis( which has KJ of 400 J, if we use KJ to calculate it we get around 70 kg of TNT, i think i saw video where 100 kg was used to destroy Skycaper but i am not sure) that makes far more snese honestly than this, you see just like you calculated Orbit thing to be 220 000 tons but in reality its more like 2 billions of tons of force, i am sure that these other factors make that feat far better as well, Zod feat should be 1000+ ton feat and Hulkbuster should be 50 000+ ton feat

Bro it’s hyperbole, a secondary source that directly contradicts the film. You’re saying Clark’s gonna eat 47 megaton hits that are stronger than any man made weapon and then get bodied in the next film by 300 kilotons?

No, i am just saying its non-canon to DCEU verse since it contradicts the movie

Under his condition of perfect force transfer he is correct. But a 0.5 liter plastic bottle deforms on impact causing the impulse to lower as the force is transferred over a longer period of time.

Im not touching the rest of that...

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#19 organic  Online

Could you caculate the aprox force when

Sup blitzes into zods ship and rocks it

When dd first punches in zods ship, sup catches the punch and it rocks the ship causing lex to stumble

Crunch5481

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@organic said:

Could you caculate the aprox force when

Sup blitzes into zods ship and rocks it

When dd first punches in zods ship, sup catches the punch and it rocks the ship causing lex to stumble

No that feat is near impossible to calculate with any accuracy. Too many unknowns.

Could have just been Lex flinching from the punch too.

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#21  Edited By RajjarsAlt

smh, superman gets hurt by 0.001 kt punches. No way he's gonna take all that energy within a knee strike.

fair point, tho @kryptonianking88