So..didn't Whiz towing 6 planet sized dragonballs confirm that Goku stands no chance against Superman physically?

Whiz clearly said he was kind of struggling to tow all of those 6 planet sized dragonballs, but 52gen Superman can hold the weight of a planet for days without strain, almost like it was less than a few pounds to him. Doesn't that definitively prove that Supermans strength factor is far beyond even Whiz?

Just curious what the fans thoughts are. Not saying this is how it is, was just interested in reading what others thought of the scene in DBS.

I can lift 60 pounds ten times without breaking a sweat. I can't like 600 lbs.

Think of it like that.

Moving a planet requires a smaller % of energy than that is required to lift it. Whiz pulling 6 planets with struggle is an inferior feat to someone holding one of them up for days as if it were almost weightless though. I guess it does confirm their strength factors, Superman is still leagues ahead in that area.

@kryptonianpride: There is absolutely no way Supes can tow 6 planets. Won't ever happen and he is not that strong.

Lifting strength is irrelevant when it comes to striking power. Maybe they cannot lift planets, but they have planetbusting punches, which Superman cannot do, in fact if you are at least Beerus' lvl you can bust planets via punches and kicks(and he has feats to back that up).

Physics and Math disagree with you.

@kryptonianpride: Well, comics disagree with Physics and Math all the time so there's that.

Pretty sure that was Vados....

Supes still has better feats than anyone in Dragon Ball.

Come at me.

People forget Goku is composite from 3 series.

If we use composite Superman to make it fair then yes, he can easily tow 6 planets, using SA feats.

Alright I'll play for a second, which Superman are you going with?

@micah007123: he gets composite Superman if you get composite Goku.

Otherwise, which version of Goku are you using? Super, I assume? So then he would get to use SA Superman or even composite Superman, fairly, for sure.

@rabumalal: didn't silver age super pull an entire solar system or something

Lifting strength was never important in Dragon Ball. Striking strength is more important than Lifting strength also I don't think Superman's feat was more impressive.

SA Superman.

Shin Budokai Janemba

Never heard of him..... What are his feats and are they canon?

See for yourself.

https://www.google.com/

Hey I said I'd play for a second not all night :P

He's a Dragon Ball character, which fits your original claim (don't go changing on me now). Question is can Silver Age Superman be considered canon? Because if the answer to that is no, they there shouldn't be any problems.

...Your link is just the Google search bar. Lol

My original claim was anyone in Dragon Ball and why wouldn't Silver Age Supes be canon?

@micah007123:

Good eye. Now use it young one XD

Why would I do that? If you know the character already than show some feats. Lol

Exactly (again don't go changing on me now). Hence the chosen aforementioned character

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you already say that you were using Goku twice? Seems like you're the one changing on me. :p

Ummmmm because he's non-canon to current events at DC? lol

To current evidents, yes. But he is still a canon version of Supes.

He was canon back in the day, but not so much now.

That's true, but isn't current without his powers? Haven't been keeping up...

@thedarkpaladin: nope xD

@micah007123:

Simple. Because I told you I'd play for a second, surely you can handle the rest.

It's not my job to dig up feats for a character I'm not even familiar with, and if you already are, it would save both of us some time.

With another person in a separate conversation to answer a proposed question by him alone (already assuming I was going to be using Goku anyway lol), not with you bro.

I don't see why that matters... The other user was talking about our conversation and even if he asked in a hypothetical manner, you didn't answer in one.

I thought the Silver Age and everything about it was wiped from continuity awhile ago?

Maybe. I'm actually not sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case.

DC continuity is a bit of a mess right now. The one most would agree is currently canon got his powers back so to speak in the form of kyrptonite. Yeah it's weird.

Yeah, that's why I haven't been keeping up lol (been reading injustice).

@linsanel_doctor said:

@thedarkpaladin: nope xD

Lol

Oh so I guess that means silver age supes is physically stronger. Not sure n52 supes is that strong though.

What logic is that exactly? It's your job to dig up feats for the character you use, especially since you already know what he's capable of. If I just go with whatever I find on Google, there's always the chance that i may find misleading information or miss some context.

Anyways, I'll do a search on him later tonight or tomorrow and PM you with what if find. I'm busy at the moment.

@kryptonianpride:

Each of those planets were 3 times the size of Earth each weighing around 100 sextillion tons each due to their density being equal to that of stone or at the very least Jupiter since they are able to sink in water

M that is a minimum of 500 sextillion tons... Also she wasn't struggling she just said is was hard work...she was going multiple times fast than light while doing this

Also take into account the gravitational pull of the star they are near... She would have to be holding them with the same force

AND WHY IS THIS ALLOWED

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@kryptonianpride:

Each of those planets were 3 times the size of Earth each weighing around 100 sextillion tons each due to their density being equal to that of stone or at the very least Jupiter since they are able to sink in water

M that is a minimum of 500 sextillion tons... Also she wasn't struggling she just said is was hard work...she was going multiple times fast than light while doing this

Also take into account the gravitational pull of the star they are near... She would have to be holding them with the same force

AND WHY IS THIS ALLOWED.

seriously guys she was using physics power. She was moving in MFTL+

This is so funny.

I have been accused of bashing both DBZ and Superman recently... you guys wonder why people do that?

Both fanbases are so super biased lol.

1 - It was Vados, not Whis

2 - You can't compare both feats IMO, because Supes' feat is physical, Vados' feat isn't

3 - If you still want to compare them, Vados was moving 6 dragon balls that are way bigger than earth at FTL/MFTL speeds and she only said it was hard work, it's not like she fell on the ground after the trip, this is way above bench pressing earth, but again you can't compare both feats IMO

4 - Isn't this thread against the rules?

how is this thread against thread just wondering

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/avatar_of_green/ you know that.

Both fanbases are so super biased lol.

you know beacuse some people is biased you cant judge them to all fans.

and you know you are a bit biased about saitama,

I'm a Superman fan as much as the next guy but the notion that current Goku stands no chance physically is a bit ridiculous. Especially when Goku has demonstrated striking capabilities Supes has never been capable of.

more like 6 solar systems

5. Whis / vados aren't goku , they are leagues above him.

lol

true

nah

THIS

-_- what an original thread

I'll just end with she was pulling over 500 sextillion tons period with minimum effort...

She said it's hard work like I would say moving furniture is hard work

Pulling planets is not that impressive in deep space, for instance, for post-crisis Supes case, he had to pull the Earth away from the force exerted by Starbreaker plus the sun's gravitational pull, N52 bench pressed constant full planetary weight for 5 days, that's a lot more impressive than PC

Also I'd like to know were the "3 times bigger than Earth" thing comes from, as far I know, Super Dragon Balls are inside planets, therefore they are smaller than planets.

This also shows that planet Vados destroyed was huge, since they thought there might be a super dragon ball inside it's core.

He asked the question, and I answered. I don't think I owned him in any way.

Also, by far the most impressive thing about this feat, is that she managed to decelerate these Super dragon balls from MFTL speed down to 0, in few seconds.

@mortein:

Lol just kidding bro and true

The amount of energy required to move planets in space can be found using the Kinetic energy equation, if the dragon balls had a mass equal to earth and they were moving at let's say 1000 x light speed, then the energy required would be 162e+46 Joules or 387 Nonillion megatons

Ke = 1/2 x mass x Velocity^2

That is ignoring the theory or relativity, which obviously doesn't exist in the DB universe. That equation works in a Newtonian universe, and we wouldn't be able to apply it in our own universe for massively hyper-sonic or faster objects.

I'm not criticizing you, just pointing this out.

This is the equation we would have to use for really fast objects in our universe to get precise results

And gamma is defined as

I really like this equation.

@le0nhart:

Their mass would be grater than Earth due to the fact their density would have to be at a minimum of 1g/cm^3 because dragonballs sink in water... And the fact they are 3 times larger than Earth

She can crush supes with a mere thought

HOW IS THIS THREAD NOT LOCKED