So whats going on in Flash #49??

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Wally breaks the "force barrier" giving Zolomon access to what appears to be the speed force, strength force, and sage force? Is this tied into the new JL series where Lex has discovered forces outside of the speed force and it has something to do with the totality/source wall? Also did Zoom KILL all of the justice league cuz those all looked like neck snaps. The fight/race between wally and barry was cool and how the whole multiverse could basically feel them race. What did you think of this issue?

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Yes to Lex. I'm curious about how this all ties in to Dr Manhattan to tell you the truth.

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Who won the fight/Race ?

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@heatforce: yeah they're taking a long time to pay off this Manhattan stuff. So you think what Zoom and Lex were talkin about is the same thing?

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@eobard21: Well there was a point where Barry said he couldnt keep up with wally but something weird happened right then, Wally broke the "force barrier" which is beyond the speed force. So im not sure if that had an effect on his speed but one things for sure, they are both wayyyy faster than superman. You should read the comic, it was cool

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dope comic and my mind is blown. how are they supposed to beat Hunter now?

does he still have the time manipulation powers along with all the other Forces he was talking about? or does he just have the Forces?

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@theawesomeflashsandiego32: he definitely has superspeed still, but i'd imagine if he has absorbed power from all the forces that would include speed force. He definitely time travelled in this issue but hard to tell if he still has the time dilation ability like in post crisis. Two issues ago he said he didnt but he could have been lying. Interested to see how this is tied into JL series because lex claims to have discovered forces outside the speed force as well

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@eobard21: DC app or youtube has some decent videos up of the issue

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@eobard21: definitely faster. Pretty much implied that if they wanted to they could do whatever they want and no one in the league could stop them

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I liked that Superman was the only person who could perceive the Flashes going at that speed. Also liked that even he could not reach close to either Barry or Wally. Impressive feat for the Flashes and Superman.

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This issue was insane. If you thought Zoom was OP before, he just got a lot more OP. Can't wait for the final issue.

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Goshhhh that was awesome !

The justice league was so useless tho lmaoooo

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#16  Edited By PrimelyGreat

@charan_: Lol, Superman trying to keep up with Barry and Wally.

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@firestarlord73194: Snyder introduced the Still Force.

Hunter Zolomon is going to give nightmares to battle forum nerds now. This is basically his version of the Infinity Gauntlet.

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Lol

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this is about Flash 50:

The lightning-fueled finale of “Flash War”! Zoom adapts two new Speed Force powers into his arsenal against both Barry Allen and Wally West. What are these strange new powers? What can they do? And how will this haunt the Scarlet Speedster long after “Flash War” is over? It’s the power of two Flashes pitted against the seemingly unstoppable Hunter Zolomon!

So could the sage and strength force be aspects of the speed force..? I guess it would make sense since motion would sort of be the grandfather component to existence.

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@heatforce: Whats going on with that anyways? It seems like it should have been over months ago and most of the universe has moved on but it still never came to a conclusion

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Just read the issue.

So Zoom's basically a reality warper and a legit teambusting threat now?

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@entropy_aegis: have we seen any of the other forces in action? Or any references to the “sage” or “strength” forces that you know of? Should be interesting either way as long as the speed force doesn’t start taking a back seat or something imo.

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@entropy_aegis: was that in the JL book? That sounds familiar. Think this may have something to do with th power beyond the source wall/the totality

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@supermanwithatan01: just in flash #49 was the first time seeing them in action. Zoom used the "sage force" to do what looked like a mental attack on barry and wally then the "strength force" to beat them down with super strength (it looked as if he had stone around his hands so maybe he can density shift) then it was mentioned somewhere i think in the JL series that there are other forces like the Still Force that can sap speed from anyone and anything. So that seems to be all we know so far about the new forces

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Lmao. Imagine this kryptonian attempting to keep up with speedsters@primelygreat:

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@speedforceuser_: this humbling of superman is gonna go down as one of my favorite comic book moments in history

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@speedforceuser_: this humbling of superman is gonna go down as one of my favorite comic book moments in history

I hate how they nerfing Supes in rebirth. Pisses me of as supes fanboy. They must get into something big to extend supes levels again. At this point he aint even herald level.

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@firestarlord73194: yeah I saw them but I don’t know if there were other references to them.

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#31  Edited By NakedSnek

@theawesomeflashsandiego32:

He still have his timeforce powers

if you read DC description it said The lightning-fueled finale of “Flash War”! (Zoom adapts two new Speed Force powers ''technically not speedforce'' but force powers) into his (arsenal) against both Barry Allen and Wally West. What are these strange new powers? What can they do? And how will this haunt the Scarlet Speedster long after “Flash War” is over? It’s the power of two Flashes pitted against the seemingly unstoppable Hunter Zolomon!

Zoom literally controls 2 important fundementals of the universe

Sage Force = All Telepathy And Telekinesis

Strength Force = All Strength

Description Of The Highest Level Of Those Powers

Strength Highest Level Absolute Strength

The user is able to go toe-to-toe and even surpass the strongest of beings with nothing but the raw force of their physical blows. Any level of weight the user needs to lift is irrelevant as their body can emit force that can repel an object of any mass.

With this ability, the user could travel massive distances in a single jump, unleash powerful strikes, obliterate entire massive life forms with one hit, cause destructive quakes by smashing the ground, shatter planets with their fists alone and even tear through space-time anomalies with the sheer force of their strikes, etc. They are immune to powers that manipulate, affect or even rob them of their strength.

Zolomon didn't even hit them he just used sheer strength to emit insane force and mass onto the flashes

_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Then We Have Telekinesis

Description:

User can influence/manipulate/move objects/matter with their mind. Telekinesis is one of the basis of many superpowers that are based on "controlling/manipulating", and may evolve to the point that a Telekinetic can control anything at a subatomic, particle and universal level.

Ultimate Level:

Highest Level Of Telekinesis Is Omni Manipulation:

The user can manipulate anything, be it matter, energy or even ether. With stipulation of kinetic powers being wide ranged, the user would be extremely powerful with mastery over this power.

Then We Have Telepathy:

Highest Level Omnipathy

The ability to read, sense, communicate with, and control an infinite number of minds across all universes, planes and dimensions. Absolute level of Telepathy. Variation of Unimind

ZOOM ULTRA OP

I think they are nerfing Zoom Or as he is a part of those forces that has to be whole again to fix the force barrier aka universe fundementals by trapping him inside the force barrier

or the speedforce is so powerfull that those fundementals cannot do everything to speedster to a host desires

@supermanforever He may be nerfed to his abilities but when it comes to his speed it isn't anything new when you compare his speed to lets say pre new 52

@firestarlord73194 Looks more like he used both since mental block dosen't really make you float and he only did it to barry yet wally started floating which means he has all power over telekinesis and telepathy

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I like the sound of this, may need to check it out.

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#35  Edited By NakedSnek

@firestarlord73194:

Yeah I am sure he still has his old powers those 2 new powers are part of his arsenal now

As DC Said that its only 2 new powers part of his arsenal pitted against two flashes''

What is even worse my friend, hunter is banned from time which means if zoom does a really bad impact or damage or changes anything that may screw up

Then they cannot go back in time and undo what he has done, since Zoom is banned from time means you cannot stop him from getting powers, nor can you stop him from ever existing

If he destroys the universe going that far or changes the universe if dc has the balls then it theres nothing you can do to prevent unless being in the present and doing something that would prevent present zoom from doing it and it has to be done in the present

This is going to be very dangerous for DC itself

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@firestarlord73194:

I think I know how it works

So lets say there's a core and we have the speedforce inside that barrier that shares the power of its core that keeps the universe *existing* while the source wall is the source of creations from comics writer that emits or gets created that exists from that point but

Then we have the Core Which is the the barrier force and the force barrier is wrapped around the speedforce

which perhaps means that Wally run out of the speedforce and right into the barrier causing it to shatter as it unlocks the very fundementals of the universe aka existence, which has all kinds of fundementals that a universe has

which means there is more forces that is a fundental of the universe

Which might explain the Infinite Crisis red sky, they have weakened the core of the universe the barrier keeps those forces in a stable condition, that means barry and wally has weakened or damaged or leaked the core of DC's universe