so exactly how powerful does this make ikaris?

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with regards to speed, heat and blunt force? durability

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Well the average cloud weighs in at 500k tons and he just cleared a country sized area of them so yeah no matter how you try to look at it this just puts him on a ridiculous level

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Above dceu level

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powerful enough to fly straight through Superman

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Well the average cloud weighs in at 500k tons and he just cleared a country sized area of them so yeah no matter how you try to look at it this just puts him on a ridiculous level

The average cloud is 551 tons not 500k tons.

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@satanishki said:

Well the average cloud weighs in at 500k tons and he just cleared a country sized area of them so yeah no matter how you try to look at it this just puts him on a ridiculous level

The average cloud is 551 tons not 500k tons.

based on this, they must have mistook the kilograms for tons

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Something that a lot of characters can pull, so not impressed

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Above dceu

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Literally ridiculous lol. To break it down he cleared out hundreds of kilometres worth of clouds due the force of his flight. One of the most impressive feats of power displayed in the MCU period. That much cloud dispersal is obscene. Speed wise he is FTL bare minimum. To low ball to the max I will say he took 20 seconds to get to the sun though it was obviously much quicker. That means he traveled at least 4,650,000 miles per second. That is literally 25 times the speed of light. Even if you discount this he is still obviously moving well past the speed of light. He flies through the suns atmosphere here as well with no real visible damage. He is taking solar winds and bare minimum thousands of kelvin with no damage and also absolutely insane force. I can't really think of a more impressive display of speed and durability by an MCU high tier off the top of my head.

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Snydercut Justice League buster level

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#12  Edited By Reyne-TheAbyss

@money_brings_happiness: That's 24x (assuming 20 seconds), not 250x, and his time was 10 seconds (from after he looks at the Earth to when he begins burning up).

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#14  Edited By SUPERMANWIN1875

One-shot DCEU lvl

SO MCU THOR LEVEL

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#15  Edited By Joker567892

Above everyone in dceu/main mcu

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@joker567892 said:

Above everyone in dceu/main mcu

Thanos would beat him in a fight, IMO, so would Carol, Thor, Superman, and Doomsday. The only way I see them losing is if he bullrushed them, but i don't see it happening to Superman and DD.

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#17  Edited By kasya_carey

If that cloud is country size he dispersed its more impressive than flying into the sun. Surviving the sun does take heat resistant though.

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Definitely above Thanos lmao.

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@kasya_carey said:

If that cloud is country size he dispersed its more impressive than flying into the sun. Surviving the sun does take heat resistant though.

I'm not arguing or attempting to debate with you but DD's AOE was seen from space. It was large from space as well, almost like it was country lvl in size even if that might not be the case. I think if Ikaris punches really hard and parted the clouds from a distance, then it would city+ lvl easily for example.

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@joker567892 said:

@graysonblake: Range=/=Busting ability

DD's range is island lvl, and it busted multiple city blocks far away from ground zero of the AOE

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Not as impressive as I thought... Someone told me he survived going into the sun's core which at bare minimum would mean he would be withstanding 1/270 the mass of everest per square inch in terms of pressure and that's ignoring a lot of other things

OT - him flying to the sun and clearing those clouds is impressive though but the sun thing disappointed me if that's all there is to it

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Normal meteor collision can to that thing so even 10k tons power can do this

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Able-to-fodderize-Thanos-level

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Speed-wise it's insane but is surviving the solar flares (at least for a while) so much more impressive than Thor's star feat?

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#26  Edited By RajjarsAlt

Remember that the Snyder bots were saying Snyder Cut Superman was nuke level because his death scream was heard 'round the world

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A friend calculated, it's Large Island level

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Remember that the Snyder bots were saying Snyder Cut Superman was nuke level because his death scream was heard 'round the world

YES 🤣

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#30  Edited By kgb725

Pretty strong considering Ikaris was barely even phased by Kari

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#31  Edited By JeetLaha

Ikaris would be at least Large Island level from casually splitting clouds that size, with MHS+ speeds

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#33  Edited By RajjarsAlt
@nn5 said:

Speed-wise it's insane but is surviving the solar flares (at least for a while) so much more impressive than Thor's star feat?

No, the flare is unfocused and Thor's feat involves the star's full force. What this means is anyone's guess, but I shall throw my lot in with this evidence.

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Factually speaking, this is the full force a star can exert, and it explains why there is a neutron star in Nidavellir.

In any case the producer of Eternals says that they are not meant to be too overpowered and used Thor as an example of too overpowered but done right

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@rajjarsalt: I also think that concentrated beam from the star would be more powerful, at least by in-universe logic. Mjolnir being star level is kind of outlier though. Hela crushed it and she's not this powerful, not even close.

As for Eternals, some time ago I've also seen a quote (from director or Feige I think) that they will be more powerful than Avengers. I'm 99 % sure that they won't be written as more powerful than Avengers high-tiers in future though because that would make Avengers irrelevant, and that quote about Thor seems like a hint that they might be at similar level.

Ikaris' feat of moving the cloud seems better than other high-tier feats though. Not sure if it is an outlier as he didn't seem that impressive in rest of clips from the movie that I saw.

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@nn5 said:

@rajjarsalt: I also think that concentrated beam from the star would be more powerful, at least by in-universe logic. Mjolnir being star level is kind of outlier though. Hela crushed it and she's not this powerful, not even close.

As for Eternals, some time ago I've also seen a quote (from director or Feige I think) that they will be more powerful than Avengers. I'm 99 % sure that they won't be written as more powerful than Avengers high-tiers in future though because that would make Avengers irrelevant, and that quote about Thor seems like a hint that they might be at similar level.

Ikaris' feat of moving the cloud seems better than other high-tier feats though. Not sure if it is an outlier as he didn't seem that impressive in rest of clips from the movie that I saw.

It doesn't need to be star level to be above Ikaris. And it doesn't have anti-feats AFAIK so Hela's breaking might be fair game.

Well the same producer also said that Binary CM vs Thena would be a tough fight for Thena, and highlighted that Thena is basically a cosmic Captain America, which suggests she'd basically be a skill based fighter. I don't think the Thor quote would be similar level because he calls Thor overpowered but says that the Eternals are deliberately not.

Well it depends on feats vs scaling but Ikaris's downscaling to Deviants shouldn't matter if feats come first.

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@rajjarsalt: I saw that quote and it implies that Captain Marvel is superior to Thena but she's also above Thor or Hulk. And Captain America powered by cosmic weapon outperformed Thor against Thanos. Do not sure at what level the quote exactly puts Thena.

I don't know what to think about Ikaris' scaling to Deviants'. I guess he didn't use his full speed bullrush against any of them but from what I've heard they can actually hurt him. How powerful you think they are (as I haven't seen whole movie yet)?

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@nn5: I wouldn't equate Thena's weapons to something like Mjolnir but ye I get you

Yeah no Deviants aren't that good. They are prime lowball downscaling for Ikaris

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@rajjarsalt: So you don't think Thena's weapons can e.g. hurt Thanos like Mjolnir could? I saw Ikaris no-selling them (but he should be Captain Marvel tier at least based on that quote that Thena can give Carol some trouble).

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@nn5 said:

@rajjarsalt: So you don't think Thena's weapons can e.g. hurt Thanos like Mjolnir could? I saw Ikaris no-selling them (but he should be Captain Marvel tier at least based on that quote that Thena can give Carol some trouble).

Idk, what I'm sure of is that he thinks his characters (Eternals) are not overpowered, and designed them specifically not to be that, but he thinks Thor is. Which should be due to Thor's portrayal.

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@rajjarsalt: After the film I’d put current Ikaris above CM level. You?

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#41  Edited By death4bunnies
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@rajjarsalt: I saw that quote and it implies that Captain Marvel is superior to Thena but she's also above Thor or Hulk. And Captain America powered by cosmic weapon outperformed Thor against Thanos. Do not sure at what level the quote exactly puts Thena.

I don't know what to think about Ikaris' scaling to Deviants'. I guess he didn't use his full speed bullrush against any of them but from what I've heard they can actually hurt him. How powerful you think they are (as I haven't seen whole movie yet)?

The deviants keep growing in power by eating eturnals.. there is a scene where you see Kro share the power with the other deviants and they mutate… then the eturnals all remark that these deviants are much stronger.

Also Ikaris sent the deviants to keep the other eturnals busy.. he says it just like that, I sent them to keep you all busy until emergence.

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#42  Edited By nassergrant19

@nn5 said:

@rajjarsalt: I saw that quote and it implies that Captain Marvel is superior to Thena but she's also above Thor or Hulk. And Captain America powered by cosmic weapon outperformed Thor against Thanos. Do not sure at what level the quote exactly puts Thena.

I don't know what to think about Ikaris' scaling to Deviants'. I guess he didn't use his full speed bullrush against any of them but from what I've heard they can actually hurt him. How powerful you think they are (as I haven't seen whole movie yet)?

The deviants keep growing in power by eating eturnals.. there is a scene where you see Kro share the power with the other deviants and they mutate… then the eturnals all remark that these deviants are much stronger.

Also Ikaris sent the deviants to keep the other eturnals busy.. he says it just like that, I sent them to keep you all busy until emergence.

Facts, this just proves the Ikaris in the final act is him closer to his full power. The tagging Makkari, destruction of the doom spaceship, casual island level cloud dispersion feat, and flight to the sun in 10 seconds honestly puts him as the new peak MCU high tier.

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@rajjarsalt: I agree about the quote' s meaning but based on visuals e.g. Ikaris seems at least as godlike as Thor with moving country sized area of clouds, flying to sun in few seconds, etc.

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How come people are saying Ikaris is physically strong as Thor and some people put him even below, while the same people claim he's far physically stronger than Thanos. That makes no sense. Thanos is much stronger than Thor, accept it.

OT: Can solo DCEU level, but weaker than Thanos.

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@nn5:

Ikaris flight speed dispersed the clouds, it is not a strength feat. His flight to the sun was a cut scene so it most likely didn't take a few seconds and even then speed in space=/= speed inside earth's atmosphere.

He had no impressive strength feat either in lifting or striking and his eyes beam were able to slice their ship but was mostly underwhelming.

Whilst he's overall the most powerful eternal he isn't above the avengers high tier. Even his flight speed can be replicated by Carol as she's far faster..

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Don't take my word I'm not claiming to be right but I've heard that a solar flare can be placed at Continental

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@johndeyvido: The cloud feat is very impressive due to weight of the clouds, Ikaris' shockwave moved insane amount of water within them.

I know his other feats are not this impressive but there's also a producer's statement that Thena might give Captain Marvel some trouble in a fight. This puts Ikaris at Carol level or above due to intent.

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#48  Edited By nassergrant19

Ikaris is above CM/Thanos level per WoG but probably below Wanda purely due to hax

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@nn5:

I never said that the cloud dispersal feat wasn't impressive, it's not a strength feat.

The statement that Thena might give Carol some trouble isn't scalable since it's ambiguous and absolutely doesn't put ikaris on Carol's level or even above.

Thena gave Ikaris trouble, is she on Ikaris level? Batroc gave Cap a bit of trouble is he on Steve's level, Sam gave some flagsmashers trouble is he on their level? You get my point.

Producer's statement, WOG statement are only usable if they don't contradict onscreen evidence. Let's be frank, no objective person would watch Thena's overall performance and go "yeah, this lady can absolutely give Carol trouble in a fight "

An statement from secondary sources isn't what you should base your arguments on that should be reserved for dceu superman fanboys. Carol has multiple planetary statements from secondary sources, is she?

Ikaris had no strength feat or durability feats on the level of either Thor or Carol and wasn't even faster than Carol. His energy projection also pales against Thor's. Thor/carol can kill every deviant by themself that should tell you Ikaris just isn't on their level.

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@rajjarsalt: After the film I’d put current Ikaris above CM level. You?

CM would slaughter Ikaris, lol. I saw the movie too.