So Beerus still>Goku and Vegeta by a lot?

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#1  Edited By Krasny

Just saw the new chapter previews for DBS and it looks like Beerus and Vegeta go at it and Beerus beats the dog shit outta him casually.

At this point Beerus is just used as plot device to hype up the next villain. First Jiren "the one who surpassed the gods" Then Broly who "might be stronger than Beerus". At this point you cant scale Beerus. His power scaling gets retconned every arc. No matter how much Goku and Vegeta improve after every arc he seems to be way stronger. Only argument i see is Beerus never showed his real power but in the TOP arc with Jiren angels should know so idk.

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#2  Edited By gelato_exotic

LMAO no. You wish though. Stomping Vegeta is meaningless in regards how he stacks up to Goku.

Why does Whis tell Goku to set his sights on surpassing the Angels and Grand Priest if he's somehow inferior to Beerus, who's objectively tiers below them as a GoD?

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How does Beerus beating Vegeta means he's stronger than Goku lol

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#4  Edited By Krasny

@gelato_exotic: Statements meaningless in terms of power scaling. Your saying SSJB Vegeta who got treated like fodder is that much lower than SSJB Goku? The writers don't think of scaling when writing these stories.

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@krasny: No I meant MUI Goku who's still objectively superior to Beerus narratively and by feats and credible statements. SSBE Vegeta is like, literally nothing compared to MUI based on their performances against the various versions of Moro.

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@dkl-atoms: Your kidding yourself if you dont think Beerus would have handled ssjb Goku the same way. Its clear how their portraying Beerus as this op character.

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@gelato_exotic: Right but thats yet to bee seen as Beerus didn't break a sweat to deal with Vegeta and we dont know Beerus upper limits. You can speculate either way imo.

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#8  Edited By gelato_exotic

@krasny: Fair enough lol I thought you meant MUI and I got shook. I've been so distraught by how much people have been downplaying Goku in comparison to Beerus recently XD. Yeah, Beerus would still finger SSB without a doubt.

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@gelato_exotic: I get it but my intention here was not a Goku vs Beerus debate it was more to say how Goku and Vegeta should be able to hang with Beerus by now with previous statements and showings even in their blue forms with Jiren after Broly and Moro you would think they would be relative by now or at least give Beerus a good fight but it was more of the same when Vegeta and Goku just started out in super and just got ssb.

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@krasny: Yeah, with how Goku's own power creep usually is you'd think he'd have surpassed ToP MUI in Blue by now. Just goes to show how big of the gap between MUI and the rest of the God and SS forms is..

Then again, Beerus might be training himself subtlely too, who knows tbh.

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There is no such thing as god of destruction tier, Beerus after effortlessly beating Vegeta told him he could be a good hakaishin in another universe. Comparing Beerus to the weakest of the gods would be like comparing Goku to Krillin.

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Stomping Vegeta is not impressive. 73 Moro already did that.

More excuses for Beerus being the TOAA of Dragon Ball.

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Stomping Vegeta=/=Stronger than Goku

MUI Goku>>>>>>>Moro

Moro>>>>>>Vegeta

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Look guys, Moro neg diffed Vegeta! He must be as strong as Beerus!

Which means Goku totally can't beat this g-

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Oh.

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Beerus stan spotted!!!

Also please tell me how stomping someone Goku would stomp is impressive

The stans are struggling here

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He's far above them as PSSBs but does'nt mean anything to MUI Goku as takenstew22 pointed out above

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I don't see a problem. It's clear by now that beerus can manhandle SSbs with ease, same as those who were compared to him (jiren, broly, moro, merged zamasu), and every comparison used the words maybe and perhaps.

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It’s only going to be hard on goku fans when they realise Beerus is relative or stronger the narrative dictates Beerus is stronger so he fights goku when they are equal, anything like Beerus being greatly surpassed is wishful thinking especially considering previous chapters.

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Vegeta yes Goku nope.

He still beats him tho.

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There’s a reason that he did that to Vegeta and not Goku

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There’s a reason that he did that to Vegeta and not Goku

Besides the fact hes going to teach Vegeta new techniques you mean ?

@krasny: No I meant MUI Goku who's still objectively superior to Beerus narratively and by feats and credible statements. SSBE Vegeta is like, literally nothing compared to MUI based on their performances against the various versions of Moro.

What statements ? The only real argument to make is feats. Narratively they keep giving beerus new stuff that implies he's still far above goku. Even last arc Beerus was going to handle Moro personally

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@kgb725: he wasn't going to "handle him personally". Goku was already fighting him so Moro was distracted. Beerus knew that his weakness was the crystal, so he could've easily just thrown a blast at it and that would've taken care of the whole situation.

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@kgb725: he wasn't going to "handle him personally". Goku was already fighting him so Moro was distracted. Beerus knew that his weakness was the crystal, so he could've easily just thrown a blast at it and that would've taken care of the whole situation.

He was going to save the day which MUI Goku couldn't do without uub.

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@kgb725 said:
@applekidthethird said:

@kgb725: he wasn't going to "handle him personally". Goku was already fighting him so Moro was distracted. Beerus knew that his weakness was the crystal, so he could've easily just thrown a blast at it and that would've taken care of the whole situation.

He was going to save the day which MUI Goku couldn't do without uub.

Because he was drained and lost MUI...

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@takenstew22: yea at that point he had been through H.I.F.L. and was pretty tired. And again, the guy completely ignored the fact that Goku was still in the fight to provide an opening for Beerus. That's the only way he could've "saved the day". It's so obvious that he's trynna make it seem like Beerus was gonna solo him or something.

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Beerus clearly still trains and Ultra Instinct isn't an automatic winning technique. Beerus has a more versatile technique list and I doubt UI Goku is much stronger than Beerus. Remember, beerus has used UI Omen before. Goku last fight will likely be against Beerus and we'll see just how powerful and versatile Beerus is then.

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@kgb725 said:
@applekidthethird said:

@kgb725: he wasn't going to "handle him personally". Goku was already fighting him so Moro was distracted. Beerus knew that his weakness was the crystal, so he could've easily just thrown a blast at it and that would've taken care of the whole situation.

He was going to save the day which MUI Goku couldn't do without uub.

Because he was drained and lost MUI...

That's on Goku. You make it seem like Goku was drained then he became fused.

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MUI Goku > Beerus, though Vegeta is below Beerus

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@kgb725 said:
@takenstew22 said:
@kgb725 said:
@applekidthethird said:

@kgb725: he wasn't going to "handle him personally". Goku was already fighting him so Moro was distracted. Beerus knew that his weakness was the crystal, so he could've easily just thrown a blast at it and that would've taken care of the whole situation.

He was going to save the day which MUI Goku couldn't do without uub.

Because he was drained and lost MUI...

That's on Goku. You make it seem like Goku was drained then he became fused.

What are you talking about?

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@kgb725: dude what are you talking about

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@takenstew22: You make it seem like Goku wasn't at full power when Moro fused

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Pretty much:

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Beerus may not have mastered Ultra Instinct but he has more power and other techniques that puts him above Goku

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Pretty much:

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Beerus may not have mastered Ultra Instinct but he has more power and other techniques that puts him above Goku

Trash and outright wrong unofficial fan translation lol Beerus never said anything about Goku and Vegeta being far from it or a God of Destruction's power in the Viz translation nor the original Japanese.

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@kgb725 said:

@takenstew22: You make it seem like Goku wasn't at full power when Moro fused

I never said he wasn't...

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#36  Edited By TakenStew22

Pretty much:

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Beerus may not have mastered Ultra Instinct but he has more power and other techniques that puts him above Goku

This translation looks like trash lol.

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Beerus is still vastly above vegeta as we've clearly seen but shouldn't at all be above goku. Though he's far closer then some people seem to think. Even goku said that beerus isn't someone to mess around with so he's not one shot fodder to goku

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@juzacloud: Beerus said in the ToP that he hasn't even achieved UI Sign. He says in the current arc that GoDs lack a predisposition for UI.