Science Team vs Mjolnir - Can science lift Mjolnir?

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#1  Edited By GoldKing

Thor leaves Mjolnir in the Avengers Tower science lab and gives Tony two solid months to try and lift it. Tony assembles the most brilliant minds he can: Himself (Stark), Reed Richards, Dr. Doom, Bruce Banner, Hank Pym, Hank McCoy, Charles Xavier, Amadeis Cho, and T'Challa.

With two months to attempt, can this team figure out a way to lift Mjolnir using nothing but science?

Rules: No Magic or enchanted artifacts. ONLY science can be used. No one on team is worthy. No cheating. It must be legitimately lifted on Earth.

All men are working together. They have unlimited resources.

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Hmmm... They rocket Mjolnir to space and hold it there.

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@i_am_lightning: How do they move it to the rocket? Or how would they build a rocket around it?

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#4  Edited By those_eyes

No, cause its science vs magic. Odins enchantment on the hammer will never be negated by science. Maybe if they could use magic they could come up with a way but with science only i just dont think they can do it.

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@i_am_lightning: I'll edit to say no cheating via taking it to space. It has to be done on Earth.

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How about using pym particles to shrink it enough till it can fit in your hand

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How about using pym particles to shrink it enough till it can fit in your hand

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#9  Edited By GoldKing

@renfro234 said:

How about using pym particles to shrink it enough till it can fit in your hand

That would be interesting to see. I wonder if Pym Particles are capable of shrinking Mjolnir?

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@goldking:Out side of garvity manipulation and trying to get rid of mass and weight to try and pick it up i got nothing

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Doom would just screw everybody over somehwow.

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@ironshinobi88: lol, I think this is the obvious answer. But for the sake of this thread, we'll say Doom is legit here with no other motives.

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Xavier gets magneto or piloris to lift it

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@goldking: yes, they would use made up comic science. IF the story calls for it , it would be done. Just like a magic whisper from a mere human can make the person who put the original enchantment on it unable to lift it.... comic science would prevail!~

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#16  Edited By GoldKing

@benk111: Could either lift the 616 Mjolnir with their powers?

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#17  Edited By Benk111

I think so

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#18  Edited By GoldKing

@mysticmedivh: Interesting. But I wonder if it is possible to mass manipulate Mjolnir? Or if it would somehow resist it? Even if they took away the gravity on the lab, I wonder because it's not floating in space if it would work?

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@benk111: I know he did in in the Ultimates, but don't think it's ever happened in 616.

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@goldking: I don't see why not given the roster of preppers you've assembled, unless Mjolnir has feats that would show otherwise, and even then it depends because it would be questionable if the team couldn't.

They could always create an artificial Cosmic Cube and get the job done, I suppose.

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@benk111: And just to be fair, we'll say only this team can attempt. Because if they could call anyone, they'd just call Steve to do it.

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@mysticmedivh: Is the Cosmic Cube magic or an enchanted artifact, or science based? I suppose they could do this, but would it really count as "science lifting Mjolnir"?

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@mysticmedivh:You know what i remember something we can use leob force grab mjolnir while in thor hand and beat him with it that's how they can win

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@goldking: A real Cosmic Cube is neither magic nor enchanted, however, artificial ones have been created.

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@mysticmedivh:You know what i remember something we can use leob force grab mjolnir while in thor hand and beat him with it that's how they can win

Hehe.

There's also this.

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@mysticmedivh:except they have to be on earth i still choose leob force it has more pis

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Well according to Marvel, magic is just a science that we don't understand. So yes, I have not much doubt they could find a way to lift it.

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#29  Edited By mysticmedivh

@renfro234: The scan means that they can just manipulate gravity on Earth to pull it off, given how it works in space.

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@mysticmedivh:pym particles or gravity manipulation only 2 good ways to get them lift hammer

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To lift Mjolnir, all you need to do is use a power greater than Odin's

Given the calibre of preppers here, I don't see why not especially with "unlimited resources"

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@thegrayghost: Resources as in $$$, and all the technology each of them individually brings to the table. Plus, Stark can use SHIELD tech if he wants. Just no magic or enchanted items. Nothing to offset the magic of Mjolnir (unless science can do it). But can it?

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Doom has teleported Mjolnir before with a temporal beam and it shifted Thor back to Eric Masterson

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They could build a person worthy of the hammer I guess. Yeah, I got that from Age of Ultron, but it could work.

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Sure just get the power of feminism and progress

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Sure just get the power of feminism and progress

hahaha this had me crying with laughter.

On a serious note, would raising a child under Asgardian morals work? You could create the perfect Asgardian citizen by researching their culture and what they consider to be worthy.

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@cgoodness said:

Sure just get the power of feminism and progress

hahaha this had me crying with laughter.

On a serious note, would raising a child under Asgardian morals work? You could create the perfect Asgardian citizen by researching their culture and what they consider to be worthy.

Doubt it, in Aarons current run no asgardian could lift it either (including Odin)

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@cgoodness: That just means they were flawed by Asgardian standards. Thor is worthy cause he embodies everything that Asgardians consider worthy, not humans.

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Marvel is dominated by its own twisted fictional science which is different than real science, not by magic.

So this means they can use science to lift Mjolnir.

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Doom steals a cosmic entities powers. they could tp it or reed could get franklin to do it. Unless they can't steal powers the they can only tp it.

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#46  Edited By TheWhiteCrown

@transformers1024: Except for the fact that every conceivable method of marvel's comic science has been used and has never truly bypassed the enchantment w/o outside help (IE move/dig up the surrounding environment, remove gravity, teleportation, or go to space). That being said there is a misconception. It is possible to lift the hammer, to a limited extent, w/o being worthy. A very very angry Hulk has done it, you just won't be able to gain the power of Thor.

@theofilos: Marvel's explanation is heavily flawed in practical application and use.

Magick (sorcery, witchcraft, alchemy, mysticism and other forms of mystical energy manipulation): is an esoterically occult based paranormal science -as well as an art, philosophy, and belief system- that we don't understand.

Magic -aka Mystical energy- is a a metaphysical energy-force and multidimensional substance with it's own unique properties that counters all other natural laws (physical/scientific, cosmic, metaphysical, and philosophical) w/in and outside of reality; therefore it cannot be defined as a science. Similarly, it is illogical to call an atom or gravity a science; but there are sciences (fictional comic science and real world) dedicated to studying and manipulating atoms and gravitational forces.

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Yes, all they need to do is build a device around it that simulates the environment of space, then walk in and "lift" it....

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Yes, all they need to do is build a device around it that simulates the environment of space, then walk in and "lift" it....

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What is the mass of the hammer? (I realize that lifting it has nothing to do with one's physical strength, but I'm still curious about this.)