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Alien X in his first appearance rewound time. Serena also tells Ben that Alien X can control the very nature of Time and Space.

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Alien X has casually tanked the destruction of the Universe caused by the Annihilargh.

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Alien X has created a duplicate Universe from scratch in almost exact detail. Ben messed up the taste of one of his favorite smoothies and completely changed how the sign looks.

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Skurd uses Alien X’s DNA to create a sword and easily cuts through an extra-dimensional barrier meant to protect the Contumelia from the release of energy by the Annihilargh.

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Celestialsapiens are confirmed to be the reason the voices of characters and the art style changed throughout the franchise. It was only brought up for the Universe though, because that was what the trial was about, but it is already known that voices of characters and the art style of the entire Omniverse was changed. Like the robots from Dimension 12, the entire Null Void, all of Ledgerdomain, the Alternate Timelines of the Ben Prime Universe, and etc. This has happened at least 3 times that we know of as well.

Alien X scales above a device called the Chrono Navigator created by Professor Paradox, this device was said to be able to destroy the entire Omniverse if misused, as we seen in one episode happening. Professor Paradox (who is the most reliable source of info on the show) constantly refers to the Celestialsapiens as “Omnipotent” and how powerful they are saying they have the Greatest Power throughout the franchise, knowing he has this handy dandy device on him at all times. So this is why Alien X scales above it.

Celestialsapiens were confirmed to be above and not affected by a device called the Chronosapien Time Bomb, that was able to erase all the Alternate Timelines in Ben 10 that contained a Ben or an Omnitrix, the one seen was designated to keep the Timeline it was in safe (which was the No Watch Timeline) along with keeping Vilgax safe.

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Alien X defeats a gladiator of his species, named Galactic Gladiator. During the fight he creates many duplicates of himself, as well as a galaxy-sized black hole.

The Cosmos of Ben 10 is big and it is referred to as the Omniverse (not an Omniverse that supposedly contains all of fiction). This Omniverse was also mapped by Professor Paradox, and it is a complete map of Space-Time that extends through 17 Dimensions (in the Spatial and Temporal sense), the map is called the Map of Infinity.

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(Ben 10: Ultimate Alien, Season 1 Episode 11)

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There are infinite Universes as mentioned by Doctor Holiday, since Ben 10 follows Quantum Mechanics and String Theory, except it is a little different to our real world. These Universes are all different from one another and usually don’t have many similarities, like Ben not existing in Rex’s Universe or the entirety of the Null Void.

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(Generator Rex, Season 3 Episode 11)

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All of these Universes are a part of separate Timeline Multiverses, which every Universe is the Prime Universe that have points in time that are Main Timelines, which have an infinite amount of Alternate Timelines branched off of them, as stated by Professor Paradox and Matruant. These Alternate Timelines are referred to as Cross-Time and all of them are every bit as real as the Main Timeline, meaning that even if the Main Timeline is destroyed, they will still exist as they are connected, but don’t rely on one another. An example of this would be No Watch Ben’s Timeline still existing despite the Chronosapien Time Bomb destroying all the other Alternate Timelines that are a part of the Ben 10 Timeline Multiverse. The bomb was programmed not to touch the No Watch Ben’s Timeline, but that wouldn’t work if the Alternate Timelines relied on the Main Timeline to exist, which was destroyed during that event or rather erased out of existence.

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(Ben 10: Ultimate Alien, Season 2 Episode 10)

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(Ben 10: Omniverse, Season 7 Episode 9)

(Ben 10: Omniverse, Season 6 Episode 1)

Speaking of the Ben 10 Timeline Multiverse, this is the main one we see in the franchise, and it started when Ben Prime received the Prototype Omnitrix, which to remind everyone this is only one point in time that became a Main Timeline of that Prime Universe. This is the reason why Professor Paradox and No Watch Ben were able to reboot the Ben 10 Timelines, as they went to the Universe before Ben Prime received the Omnitrix. Proof of the other Universes having Alternate Timelines, would be when we see Eon (an Alternate Ben) in the Null Void that looks like it is linear to his Timeline that is a part of the Ben 10 Timeline Multiverse. There is also the fact that we would have seen multiple Bens, Gwens, Kevins, Charmcasters, and etc. in Ledgerdomain if the other Universes didn’t have Timelines that branched off them.

(Ben 10: Omniverse, Season 6 Episode 1)

(Ben 10: Omniverse, Season 6 Episode 2)

(Ben 10: Omniverse, Season 6 Episode 2)

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(Ben 10: Omniverse, Season 2 Episode 8)

(Ben 10: Ultimate Alien, Season 1 Episode 14) (Don’t really need to watch this, just an example)

There are also 26 Spatio-Temporal Dimensions (that matter), but the show never really elaborates on these. We never really see any of these Spatio-Temporal Dimensions within the series, but we have seen some of these Higher-Dimensional beings, which are the Naljians and Contumelia. We have no clue how big the Spatio-Temporal Dimensions are or how much more powerful a Spatio-Temporal Dimension is than each other (other than speculation).

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The gif is like this, so people can hear the statement, but if you’d rather read it here it is. (Make sure to click unmute, if you watch it)

Naljian Mother: It’s just that you are such a young species. You only perceive three dimensions. Is that right?

Ben: Yeah. How many are there?

Naljian Mother: Only 26 that matter. You’ll work it out soon, I’m sure.

Ben: Uh-huh.

Naljian Mother: My point is that this “dangerous weapon” you fear is nothing more than my daughter’s favorite toy.

Kevin: Get out of town.

Naljian Mother: We were on an afternoon excursion to the lower dimensions, and she must have dropped it out of her carriage.

(Ben 10: Alien Force, Season 3 Episode 12)

Finally, there is the Forge of Creation, this is the home to Alien X’s species, the Celestialsapiens. The Forge of Creation exists outside of the Universes and when Professor Paradox spoke of it he said it is the source of the Universe’s greatest power and is where ideas become real, Azmuth also speaks about it being the greatest power in the Universe (though it doesn’t exist in the Universe). Professor Paradox also hid the Forge of Creation and enclosed it in something called the Chrono Randomization Barrier, which is out of sync with all Time and makes it inaccessible to anyone who doesn’t have the Map of Infinity, of course unless you are Professor Paradox or a Celestialsapien.

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(Ben 10: Ultimate Alien, Season 1 Episode 16)

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(Ben 10: Ultimate Alien, Season 1 Episode 16)

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(Ben 10: Ultimate Alien, Season 1 Episode 16)

I have also made a map of my own recently, it is no Map of Infinity, but it should give a general idea of the Omniverse’s structure.

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Multiverse is sometimes used when referring to the Omniverse. You know when the Omniverse is being referred to, whenever it mentions Alternate Realities and Timelines as a whole. Also, Dimension and Universe get exchanged throughout the series, some Timelines get called Dimensions as well.

Known Alternate Universes are Rex’s Universe, the Null Void, Ledgerdomain, The unnamed Universe with weird physics, Dimension 12, Dagon’s World and the 99 unnamed Dimensions Dagon conquered (Dimension and Universe get exchanged throughout the Franchise, also some Timelines get called Dimensions as well)

Known Alternate Timelines to Ben Prime’s Timeline are the No Watch Timeline, Gweniverse, Dimension 23, Mad Ben’s Dimension, Eon’s Timeline, Race Against Time Timeline, Bad Ben’s Timeline, Nega Ben’s Timeline, Benzarro’s Timeline, Time Heals Timeline, Paradox’s Failure Timeline, Argitrix Timeline, the defeating Vilgax without destroying the Omnitrix Timeline, Negative Alien X Timeline, Reboot Tomeline, Maximilian’s Timeline, Ben X’s Timeline, Ben 10,000’s Timeline, Ultimate Ben’s Timeline, Ben 10k’s Timeline, and the however many Timelines Eon enslaved.

Alien X no sold the Anihilaarg (a device that can either create or destroy an entire universe) and literally recreates it from scratch just by thinking about it.

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stopped Galactic Gladiator’s Attack with one hand

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Created hundreds of copies and then defeated Galactic Gladiator

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Not only that a mere fraction of his arm was able to pierce through a higher dimensional barrier where the Contemelia (5th Dimensional Beings) stated that it was “impossible” to breach through making Alien X infinite 5D.

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Powers, Abilities, and Hax

Special Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Invulnerability, Flight, Reality Warping, Creation (Alien X has the ability to manipulate reality to the way it sees fit. Recreated the entire universe with only its thoughts), Size Manipulation (Grew to the size comparable to a galaxy when fighting The Galactic Gladiator), Existence Erasure (It is implied that Celestialsapiens are capable of erasing things from existence), Multiple Personalities (Has alternate personalities, such as Serena, the 'voice of love and compassion', Bellicus, the 'voice of rage and aggression' and Ben Tennyson himself, who's the 'voice of reason'), Mind Manipulation (Mentally controlled the Amalgam Kids to make them fight amongst themselves), Space-Time Manipulation (Serena states that Alien X could easily change the very fundamentals of Space and Time if they desired to), Pocket Reality Manipulation (It is shown that Alien X's interior is a pocket universe that is big enough to contained compressed galaxies and stars), Acausality (Singularity; According to WOG, there are no past, present or even future iterations of Alien X. Those who transform into Alien X, whether it be in the prime universe or any alternate universe, become THE Alien X and not A Alien X), Telekinesis (Threw around the Amalgam Kids with his telekinetic powers), Duplication (Shown to have replicated itself in order to fight The Galactic Gladiator), Immortality (Types 1 and 3), Regeneration (High-Low), Physics Manipulation, Law Manipulation (According to official sources, Alien X is capable of changing the nature and rules of mana across the universe), Life Manipulation (Can manipulate mana, which is life itself and is akin to the life force itself). Resistance to Time Manipulation (Naturally born in a void without Time and is shown to be unaffected by Time) & Existence Erasure (Was unaffected by The Annilharg's erasing abilities and other Celestialsapiens are unable to remove each other)

Scale

Destructive Ability: Multiverse level

Speed: Infinite (Celestialsapiens are born in and live in the Forge of Creation, a dimension outside of time and space)

Lifting Ability: infinite

Striking Ability: Multiversal

Durability: Multiverse level

Stamina: Infinite

Range: Multiversal+

Intelligence: Omniscient

In Conclusion: Multiversal+

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Perfection

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Based on this Alien x is hyperversal which is way beyond multiversal sheesh, celestialsapiens ain’t no joke

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Based on this Alien x is hyperversal which is way beyond multiversal sheesh, celestialsapiens ain’t no joke

Maybe

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ok let's see

First, All Existence that Paradox alludes to only refers to the Multiverse not to the whole Cosmology and even that is not Instant like directly destroying the multiverse but Overtime damage as Paradox said: "Yes, but in anyone else's hands but mine, it could cause irreparable damage to the time-stream or destroy all of time and causality itself."

Second, "Omnipotent" Alien X only refers to Celestialsapiens who can do anything with their Reality Warping so it doesn't refer to the destructive power of the Multiverse. Words like "Alien X can do anything" "where ideas become real" and "change the very nature of time and space" are all statements talking about AX's ability to reality warp, nothing indicates they mean physically the strongest (especially during this point of the series where multiversal destruction hasn't been explored). In context, hax ​​where you can do basically anything you can imagine > 2-B AP. So the 'Greatest Power in the Universe' is simply a Celestialsapien's ability to warp reality.

Third, it has been confirmed by Dwayne himself that 17 Dimensions only refers to 17 Universes with different laws of physics:

http://imgur.com/gallery/i2AnBKc

Another thing is that Ben 10 does not have an infinite number of Universes, Holiday's Statement is definitely not Reliable because even he himself did not initially believe that the so-called "Parallel World" existed and actually believed when Ben 10 came and he immediately said the universe which is infinite in number?? funny and this also illustrates Holiday's unreliability even Paradox who knows more about Cosmology Ben 10 itself even says that Ben's Universe at that time only numbered "Hundreds" until finally he said that the universe of Ben 10 was completely the number will continue to increase "Ad-Infinitum" which means it increases / expands without limit but of course this takes about forever and this proves that Ben's Universe does not have an infinite number of universes:

http://imgur.com/gallery/ 5WeEsJH

For the Maltruant Statement, this can refer to if the universe is branching Ad-Infinitum so it's not Infinite even Paradox who knows better in Cosmology Ben 10 itself never said that

and lastly, Alien X is not Infinite 5D at all because it has never been explained how the 5th Dimension works even the funny thing is that they create a Barrier to withstand the explosion of the Universal Big Bang which is clearly contracting, very funny if 5th Dimensional beings can't withstand the explosion Big Bang so no and Dimensions in ben 10 don't fit into the higher dimensional criteria

Ok now let's fix your Scale

Scales :

Destructive Ability: Likely Multiverse level

Speed: MFTL+ via quickly moves galaxies, also creates black holes the size of galaxies quickly (Alien X doesn't have Infinite speed because: First, Living outside the multiverse doesn't give you any speed and moving in timeless places doesn't give you any speed even ​​it already stated in term which reads = Timeless Voids, ie areas within a setting that lack time or exist outside of the flow of time, cannot be used to grant Infinite speed. One might be tempted to apply Speed ​​= Distance/ Time and say that time equals 0 in this situation, thus moving through this type of void should result in Infinite speed. However, in a Timeless Void, time does not exist, making Time = Not Applicable. So in short, Time = Nonexistent or Not Applicable and Distance/Time = Undefined and cannot be determined under these conditions.

Second, Forge Of Creation is a Separate Dimension/Personal Dimension that is separate from Ben's Multiverse, and even there it still has its own Space and time and even there it still has time, only because it is covered by the Chrono Randomization Barrier so the time flow in Forge Of Creation is out of sync with time in multiverse aka Forge Of Creation has its own Flow of time :

http://imgur.com/a/iTF8oSg

Lifting Ability: I don't understand why you put it on the Infinite tier, even Alien X had a hard time holding the Galactic Gladiator's Hand

Strike Ability: Universal Likely Multiversal

Durability: Universal possibly Multiverse level

Stamina: Likely Infinite

Range: Multiversal

Intelligence: Night Omniscient, it's funny if you put it in Omniscient even though the Creator himself said they are not omniscient and they will not be able to become omniscient because they will lock each other and even they create an imperfect universe In

Conclusion: Because Ben 10 doesn't have an Infinite number of Universe, the result is At least Universal+ Likely Multiversal

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VS Battle Wiki: Nah Low 2-C at best.

Fuck VS Battle Wiki and their disgusting bias and ignorance

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Vswiki just the basic while the one who make the entire Pages is the suppoter and also alien X actual feats is indeed universal+.When they say Universal+ at best?its Clearly the profile say "at least" did you not read Alien X page?

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This is the most beautiful thread I have ever seen. Bravo.

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Nice. I have him at multi+ AP.

Lifting Strength and Stamina is unknown, they may both be limitless but no way to tell for sure.

Their omniscience is possible but they have to break their own laws so Nigh-Omniscient.

Could be higher with dimensional tiering but by nature higher dimensions in cross-series battling are unquantifiable.

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Vswiki just the basic while the one who make the entire Pages is the suppoter and also alien X actual feats is indeed universal+.When they say Universal+ at best?its Clearly the profile say "at least" did you not read Alien X page?

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Based on this Alien x is hyperversal which is way beyond multiversal sheesh, celestialsapiens ain’t no joke

You......... Ok.... I guess Goku in heroes is beyond the idea of hyperversal.

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ok let's see

First, All Existence that Paradox alludes to only refers to the Multiverse not to the whole Cosmology and even that is not Instant like directly destroying the multiverse but Overtime damage as Paradox said: "Yes, but in anyone else's hands but mine, it could cause irreparable damage to the time-stream or destroy all of time and causality itself."

Second, "Omnipotent" Alien X only refers to Celestialsapiens who can do anything with their Reality Warping so it doesn't refer to the destructive power of the Multiverse. Words like "Alien X can do anything" "where ideas become real" and "change the very nature of time and space" are all statements talking about AX's ability to reality warp, nothing indicates they mean physically the strongest (especially during this point of the series where multiversal destruction hasn't been explored). In context, hax ​​where you can do basically anything you can imagine > 2-B AP. So the 'Greatest Power in the Universe' is simply a Celestialsapien's ability to warp reality.

Third, it has been confirmed by Dwayne himself that 17 Dimensions only refers to 17 Universes with different laws of physics:

http://imgur.com/gallery/i2AnBKc

Another thing is that Ben 10 does not have an infinite number of Universes, Holiday's Statement is definitely not Reliable because even he himself did not initially believe that the so-called "Parallel World" existed and actually believed when Ben 10 came and he immediately said the universe which is infinite in number?? funny and this also illustrates Holiday's unreliability even Paradox who knows more about Cosmology Ben 10 itself even says that Ben's Universe at that time only numbered "Hundreds" until finally he said that the universe of Ben 10 was completely the number will continue to increase "Ad-Infinitum" which means it increases / expands without limit but of course this takes about forever and this proves that Ben's Universe does not have an infinite number of universes:

http://imgur.com/gallery/ 5WeEsJH

For the Maltruant Statement, this can refer to if the universe is branching Ad-Infinitum so it's not Infinite even Paradox who knows better in Cosmology Ben 10 itself never said that

and lastly, Alien X is not Infinite 5D at all because it has never been explained how the 5th Dimension works even the funny thing is that they create a Barrier to withstand the explosion of the Universal Big Bang which is clearly contracting, very funny if 5th Dimensional beings can't withstand the explosion Big Bang so no and Dimensions in ben 10 don't fit into the higher dimensional criteria

Ok now let's fix your Scale

Scales :

Destructive Ability: Likely Multiverse level

Speed: MFTL+ via quickly moves galaxies, also creates black holes the size of galaxies quickly (Alien X doesn't have Infinite speed because: First, Living outside the multiverse doesn't give you any speed and moving in timeless places doesn't give you any speed even ​​it already stated in term which reads = Timeless Voids, ie areas within a setting that lack time or exist outside of the flow of time, cannot be used to grant Infinite speed. One might be tempted to apply Speed ​​= Distance/ Time and say that time equals 0 in this situation, thus moving through this type of void should result in Infinite speed. However, in a Timeless Void, time does not exist, making Time = Not Applicable. So in short, Time = Nonexistent or Not Applicable and Distance/Time = Undefined and cannot be determined under these conditions.

Second, Forge Of Creation is a Separate Dimension/Personal Dimension that is separate from Ben's Multiverse, and even there it still has its own Space and time and even there it still has time, only because it is covered by the Chrono Randomization Barrier so the time flow in Forge Of Creation is out of sync with time in multiverse aka Forge Of Creation has its own Flow of time :

http://imgur.com/a/iTF8oSg

Lifting Ability: I don't understand why you put it on the Infinite tier, even Alien X had a hard time holding the Galactic Gladiator's Hand

Strike Ability: Universal Likely Multiversal

Durability: Universal possibly Multiverse level

Stamina: Likely Infinite

Range: Multiversal

Intelligence: Night Omniscient, it's funny if you put it in Omniscient even though the Creator himself said they are not omniscient and they will not be able to become omniscient because they will lock each other and even they create an imperfect universe In

Conclusion: Because Ben 10 doesn't have an Infinite number of Universe, the result is At least Universal+ Likely Multiversal

Multiversal if agreed to do high end destruction or if the verses can be scaled that way, But dven then it makes more sense to be universal+ or multi universal rather than outright multiversal.

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@brogokudestroys said:
@sauce_god31 said:

Based on this Alien x is hyperversal which is way beyond multiversal sheesh, celestialsapiens ain’t no joke

You......... Ok.... I guess Goku in heroes is beyond the idea of hyperversal.

Heroes Goku is like Complex Multiversal to my knowledge, which is above baseline multiversal but still below hyperversal

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@brogokudestroys said:
@sauce_god31 said:

Based on this Alien x is hyperversal which is way beyond multiversal sheesh, celestialsapiens ain’t no joke

You......... Ok.... I guess Goku in heroes is beyond the idea of hyperversal.

Heroes Goku is like Complex Multiversal to my knowledge, which is above baseline multiversal but still below hyperversal

heroes goku has superior feats to everything here, are you ok..?

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@sauce_god31 said:
@brogokudestroys said:
@sauce_god31 said:

Based on this Alien x is hyperversal which is way beyond multiversal sheesh, celestialsapiens ain’t no joke

You......... Ok.... I guess Goku in heroes is beyond the idea of hyperversal.

Heroes Goku is like Complex Multiversal to my knowledge, which is above baseline multiversal but still below hyperversal

heroes goku has superior feats to everything here, are you ok..?

But really, how are these "hyperversal" feats in the first place?

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Below Lantern tier.

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@brogokudestroys said:
@sauce_god31 said:
@brogokudestroys said:
@sauce_god31 said:

Based on this Alien x is hyperversal which is way beyond multiversal sheesh, celestialsapiens ain’t no joke

You......... Ok.... I guess Goku in heroes is beyond the idea of hyperversal.

Heroes Goku is like Complex Multiversal to my knowledge, which is above baseline multiversal but still below hyperversal

heroes goku has superior feats to everything here, are you ok..?

But really, how are these "hyperversal" feats in the first place?

Well according to the OP… it’s pretty clear that the celestialsapiens are the strongest beings in the entire verse and are truly omnipotent in a literal sense, given how big the Ben 10 omniverse is, Alien x powers would be operating on a 26-dimensional scale, it seems that Alien x can affect things on a metaphysical level as well since they can cause editorial changes in the story and whatnot.

Multiversal: capable of destroying, affecting, or creating an infinite amount of universes

Multiversal+: infinite sets or cosmic bubbles of multiverses(5th dimensional beings usually rank here)

Complex multiversal: infinitely transcends Multiversal+ levels of power(6th-10th dimensional beings usually rank here and each higher dimension infinitely transcends the previous one)

Hyperversal: power that infinitely transcends 10th dimensional beings and is thought to be the upper limits of imagination( 11th dimensional beings usually rank here)

Hyperversal+: beyond imagination itself, power that cant’t be comprehended, imagined or theorized(12th dimensional beings and up usually rank here) Alien x and all celestialsapiens ranks in this tier if all the information provided in the OP is true

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@brogokudestroys said:
@brogokudestroys said:
@sauce_god31 said:
@brogokudestroys said:
@sauce_god31 said:

Based on this Alien x is hyperversal which is way beyond multiversal sheesh, celestialsapiens ain’t no joke

You......... Ok.... I guess Goku in heroes is beyond the idea of hyperversal.

Heroes Goku is like Complex Multiversal to my knowledge, which is above baseline multiversal but still below hyperversal

heroes goku has superior feats to everything here, are you ok..?

But really, how are these "hyperversal" feats in the first place?

Well according to the OP… it’s pretty clear that the celestialsapiens are the strongest beings in the entire verse and are truly omnipotent in a literal sense, given how big the Ben 10 omniverse is, Alien x powers would be operating on a 26-dimensional scale, it seems that Alien x can affect things on a metaphysical level as well since they can cause editorial changes in the story and whatnot.

Multiversal: capable of destroying, affecting, or creating an infinite amount of universes

Multiversal+: infinite sets or cosmic bubbles of multiverses(5th dimensional beings usually rank here)

Complex multiversal: infinitely transcends Multiversal+ levels of power(6th-10th dimensional beings usually rank here and each higher dimension infinitely transcends the previous one)

Hyperversal: power that infinitely transcends 10th dimensional beings and is thought to be the upper limits of imagination( 11th dimensional beings usually rank here)

Hyperversal+: beyond imagination itself, power that cant’t be comprehended, imagined or theorized(12th dimensional beings and up usually rank here) Alien x and all celestialsapiens ranks in this tier if all the information provided in the OP is true

hyperversal has many different definitions.. Alien x is barely 5d, how is he 12D lol??? he is not close to complex either. Oh and also heroes goku should be 12 dimensional from what I remember, if not dimensional tiering is a joke anyway. His hax and is enough to destroy alien x.

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This is mostly correct but alien X isn't omniscient, he's nigh omniscient, penetrating the contumelia force field doesn't put him at infinitely 5d, probably just 4d plus or something, but I'd scale X to Ben universal plus at least and multiversal plus atmost

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@ichimonji: how does him struggling to lift the gladiator's hand disprove him having infinite strength??

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@akz: i am not an alt my bro. i just realized alienx is outerversal due to his staggering amount of irrefutable evidence

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nah i deleted my account to change my username, since i ain't got premium and it's useless to pay