Its undeniable now. So much for the "Raimi Spider-Man can't bullet time" nonsense.
People lowball him by saying he can't bullet time so let's make him LS.
Lightning as in reaction time. Garfield can dodge electricity. Holland did it in the NWH trailer. Tobey will likely do it in NWH too. Lightning is slower than electricity, so reacting lightning is very reasonable.
It’s common hyperbole, but he’s very likely gonna scale to that speed
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Only Geralt’s first scan is a good lightning timing statement. His second one’s just hyperbole. Mace’s just describes how he has to quickly move in alternating directions to block, similar to how lightning descends in a jagged manner.
I think 'lightning speed' is hyperbole, for sure. So he doesn't really have speed as fast as lightning. He is much slower than that, probably slower than the speed of sound too I think. Maybe he is around 60mph at running speed? He ran to catch the yellow bus in the first film.
@kryptonianking88: ’With the speed of lightning‘ seems like too much intent in this one line. I mean... ‘speed of lightning‘ rather than just ‘lightning-quick’?
I think it can be used in support with more concrete feats like your calc (nice find btw) for high hypersonic Spider-Man, but it doesn't stand on its own.
Its undeniable now. So much for the "Raimi Spider-Man can't bullet time" nonsense.
Wasn't Peter dodging machine guns in SM2 during the car chase? He did it so casually and while manouvering mid-air too, which would indicate that isn't even close to his limit.
Its undeniable now. So much for the "Raimi Spider-Man can't bullet time" nonsense.
Wasn't Peter dodging machine guns in SM2 during the car chase? He did it so casually and while manouvering mid-air too, which would indicate that isn't even close to his limit.
Its undeniable now. So much for the "Raimi Spider-Man can't bullet time" nonsense.
Wasn't Peter dodging machine guns in SM2 during the car chase? He did it so casually and while manouvering mid-air too, which would indicate that isn't even close to his limit.
Spidey aim dodge. With Spider Sense.
Novels specifically stated him dodging via pure speed mid-air, anyone could aim-dodge, it wouldn’t have been noted as impressive otherwise. He has plenty of other above supersonic feats too and a feat and scaling which backs the statements.
When are novels canon to Rami films? So many novels change or flat out have differences. Terminator films > differences in Movie Novels. Like big ones. Same for Godzilla 98 film to the film novel. Same for any Alien/Predator film feats and statements > to the differences in novels. This also applies to license video games of same films that take wild directions and changes many things as well, but suppose "Movie" in game form.
Unless Rami Spiderverse has stated official backing Novel feats same as film canon, like say Star Wars does or Kojima did with certain MGS things, then the Novel is not much proof. Unless again your using a COMPOSITE version of Rami Spider Man.
But what is shown on screen is not bullet speed. Nothing shown in time passage of background visuals to Spidey movements suggest anything above peak human aim dodging. Much less peak human movement speed combine with insane slow mo reaction time Spider Sense to aim dodge.
In other words I need a official quote the novels count if we are talking strictly live action version.
BTW, I dont really care if we ignore everything above and just agree bullet timing. I dont, its reasonable. Mach 1-2? Sure. but again Lightning is Mach 200. So people are using bullet timing Mach 2ish, if we allow novel feat to stand, to justify x20 that in lightning speed as legit possible? Thats such bad logic and science, like real bad. Which is what i was commenting on for @comicgirl21.
Yes the novels are officially licensed canon, and not only them but handbooks as well, you think of those as fair, right?
Not true. License novels or video games does not mean legit canon for what is in or shown in Movie. Writers and Video game makers take "LIBERTIES" with movie material. Thats a fact. Not sure why you think you can pull that. It has to be stated as canon to movie, like Star Wars, Monster Verse Godzilla, or MGS examples I gave. Show that.
The Raimiverse didn’t portray speed as FTE much since the FX shit wasn’t that advanced then, they mostly just showed normal visual speeds with the intent of showing bullet dodging and slow-mo at times, nonetheless do you not remember Spidey’s slow-mo perception?
Reaction feat not combat speed. I know that YOU know the difference. Seeing attacks incoming and the world in slow motion is not the same as running around delivering hundreds of punches a second or moving from point A to point B in mach speeds.
I should also add Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Xena Warrior Princess showed super speed legit well in low budget 90s/2000s era TV films. So VFX excuses are just that,.
It‘s pretty clear they were showing him dodging bullets in that car chase, otherwise they wouldn’t have shown it as something impressive, and the basis of the fact that Spidey is a bullet-timer is isn’t hard to grasp. Also check my calc above.
Same kind of dodging bullets that Rambo, Die Hard, 80s action stars doo. Yes. Not impressive visually.
Comic Spidey is also an easy lightning timer too lol.
Comic Spidey is actually barely Mach 4. He has several in comic statements of pushing Mach 2-4 at his best. Statements also state precog Spider Sense help Spidey with speedy issues. Statements > Outliers.
Also Rami Spider Man is not 616 Comic Spiderman so why bother compare? Thats like me comparing IDW Godzilla to Showa Godzilla. Not even close.
When it comes to live action Spider Man people get wanky as hell lately. I dont understand why. For over a decade people agreed on these characters speeds. Now past few months all of them are Flash level. Its getting out of hand.
Well I thought Raimi Spider-Man could run as fast as a cheetah, not much faster than that...just from what I remember from seeing him on screen. Of course Spider-Man is faster when swinging...but sonic or supersonic speed? I dunno. If you can show feats of him swinging at sonic or supersonic speed then I will change my mind gladly.
@akz Just because Raimi Spider-Man can dodge lightning doesn't mean that he can move at the speed of lightning, that is more to do with spider sense reflex speed, not travel speed...just my take on it.
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