Powerscaling is dead, why is everyone are universal

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#1  Edited By AdamTheDarkness

I'm really miss the pre-20s when FEATS were matter, I don't understand what happen to powerscaling community for all of this to exist:

  • Outerversal normal humans from DC
  • Star level One piece
  • Universal Naruto
  • Universal Fairy tail
  • Low Complex multiversal Bleach
  • Universal Black Clover
  • Small planet level BNHA
  • Universal JJK
  • Universal Namek saga
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dunno where you get those but tiktok and yt shorts power scaling don't matter

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Universal Namek is a new one…but yeah, it’s boring, happens when people are desperate enough to wank their favorite drawings.

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How about large planetary Juubi and Multi-continental Bijuus.

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@platinumchalice: Reddit, Twitter, Tiktok and long ass youtube videos not just shorts. something like multi bleach is very normalized in all of them

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Factual thread. This is why I quit powerscaling, it's seriously cringe. Nobody can scale anything nowadays.

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WHO THE HELL HAS JJK AT UNI ?!?!?!

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Attack potency is why

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@rolt said:

Attack potency is why

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@straight-fire: Hell no. It just takes a while to realize just how time consuming it is.

And when I'm talking about powerscaling, I mean anything above building level (mainly manga's and comics), I still scale street lvl characters because they aren't nearly as time consuming and cringe.

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It has nothing to do with feats Vs. statements. It's about purposely misinterpreting statements and taking them out of context. Hell, this happens with feats too.

But don't pretend that powerscalers back then were somehow generally smarter. They weren't.

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Uni JJK is new.

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#15  Edited By Ieatnettles

Debate SW imo, there's only like 5 universal++ characters and everyone else is fodder to them

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I blame certain fanbases that must not be named.

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GoW.

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#17  Edited By MaulSmacker

I blame certain fanbases that must not be named.

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WH/DC

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@darkgold said:
@rolt said:

Attack potency is why

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It's just wankers really.

But also for me at least it's what it's always been.

The speed debate (a lot of characters in a lot of verses don't go light speed but you know...it gets tiring to argue that...like i know calcs but peeps dont actually understand just how fast light speed really is.)

-Trying to apply real world physics to fiction (we don't even know how big the onepiece world is for all we know it could be earth sjzed...but oda drew ot having multiple large moons...)

At the end of the day it's for fun man but it's gets frustrating when someone says dumb stuff like "doudecillion faster than the speed of light" or "multi complex fabric altering end and beginner of all things super outerversal."

At that point I don't even want to do anything. Only genre I can say yea I have fun power scaling sometimes is OP (of course) and sci-fi novels/series because they normally have actual stats and in universe displays of powers and abilities and no just a character say "holy heck it's a black hole that absorbed all of reality"

Rant over but yea There has always been people way out there wank their favorite verse and characters to crazy levels , but now tiktok and social media on general has given a place for them to actually gather and shout from the top of the mountain.

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Its not that serious bro. And if these arguments are so absurd, you should be able to debunk them easily

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It is a tendency for young people of the new generation to distort facts to fit their arguments, no matter how illogical an idea is, their passion makes them defend it at any cost, I think Undre is the best example of this in this forum.

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Hey, don't forget Universal/Omnipotent MCU Thor!

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Agreed. Dimensional tiering has been a blight upon this world.

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It has nothing to do with feats Vs. statements. It's about purposely misinterpreting statements and taking them out of context. Hell, this happens with feats too.

But don't pretend that powerscalers back then were somehow generally smarter. They weren't.

Powerscalers were worse back then;

Monitor wank

Hulk isn't a high tier discourse (on CV)

KMC thinking Rebirth Sups was multiversal

undefined wank of characters because some guy with a doctored scan said so (Sentry/Deathstroke cases come to mind)

etc. Today's debaters might be worse off from a logical perspective, but knowledge-wise they were absolutely still awful. These communities have always existed, they just are more noticeable due to stuff like VSBattles and whatnot.

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My main issue with powerscaling is Vader and Luke being equals. Vader being close to ROTJ Sidious makes sense because by logic and feats he has nothing preventing him from being that powerful. Luke, on the other hand, is some barely trained Jedi during an age where the Jedi were practically non-existent anymore, yet now within less than five years of discovering the force, he is magically a stomp gap above all ROTS titans who have trained for their lives and is somehow close to the most powerful sith lord of all time. I thought it was generally agreed that Vader was conflicted in ROTJ and that he was still > Luke.

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Hey, don't forget Universal/Omnipotent MCU Thor!

He is.

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Still better as the GoW and DMC wank

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#28  Edited By Belando

People are eager to get their favorite character as high as possible (If you know, you know). Thankfully, it's easy to deal with some users' lack of consistency and clear bias, and those without a strong bias reading will be convinced.

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Its not that serious bro. And if these arguments are so absurd, you should be able to debunk them easily

It doesn't work, as people repeat it and continue their agenda even if proven wrong. I can't even recall how many times I've explained to D4B that cloud-to-ground lighting is quite literally only at its speed when it's a discharge from a cloud connecting with a target, with an ionized path, and is in no other circumstance the same speed (according to every single study ever on the speed of lightning).

That doesn't stop them from repeating the same incorrect narrative probably several hundred times each month for years, unfortunately reaching more people than the "debunk" in a random thread would. But hey, spreading misinformation you agree with is the goal, it seems.

You also stopped responding to me after I debunked both you and Rajj in a previous thread regarding QS's speed. Where Rajj was objectively incorrect about what a Mach cone looks like, and your only remaining argument was that Ultron's beams were moving at light speed, even when I demonstrated that they were moving relatively slowly, (and you argued that they're illustrated slowly on purpose, but QS's speed relative to them is literal at the same time...). This is in the face of four strong and valid sources including in-verse, stating he's around the speed of sound, which all of his feats align with if one excludes personal interpretations and objectively incorrect fan calcs.

TL;DR don't say "just debunk it" when you're living proof that debunks don't matter.

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@feanorr said:

It is a tendency for young people of the new generation to distort facts to fit their arguments, no matter how illogical an idea is, their passion makes them defend it at any cost, I think Undre is the best example of this in this forum.

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It is a tendency for nearly all humans to distort facts period.

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@rolt: J/cc makes most of these series' sub planetary if anything. Don't see why you'd say that's the reason they're planet-uni.

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#31  Edited By Wolfrazer

@catman6: I mean is it anymore ridiculous with regards to other characters whose power just increases within months of time and equaling another who's been doing the same thing for years? I mean at least with Luke there's some kind of precedence, given his heritage and being related to the Chosen One. Though I do kinda get where you're coming from, least with regards to Disney Star Wars, with regarding the old EU I find it's something easier given what Luke went through before his final confrontation compared to Disney Canon I haven't found his journey that impressive.

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@wolfrazer: regardless, Luke is less than half the age of Vader in ROTJ (give or take), and he spent 90% of that time on a moisture farm

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It has nothing to do with feats Vs. statements. It's about purposely misinterpreting statements and taking them out of context. Hell, this happens with feats too.

But don't pretend that powerscalers back then were somehow generally smarter. They weren't.

This

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@catman6: True, but it's not like some 20 something or another grows quick in power and is then later equal to or surpassing some much older guy with his power or martial arts technique or what have you in other fictional works. Not saying this excuses a narrative for doing it, but it's just a thing one has to go with, regardless of how crazy it might be.

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Star level One Piece??? How??

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@catman6: a lot of the pt Jedi weren't exactly trained to fight very much, and the training they got was nearly all deflecting blasters, luke was specifically trained to fight other force users and also has chosen one level potential

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I blame comic-tiktokers specifically. They've added a whole new level of brain rot to this form of debating.

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I'm really miss the pre-20s when FEATS were matter, I don't understand what happen to powerscaling community for all of this to exist:

  • Outerversal normal humans from DC
  • Star level One piece
  • Universal Naruto
  • Universal Fairy tail
  • Low Complex multiversal Bleach
  • Universal Black Clover
  • Small planet level BNHA
  • Universal JJK
  • Universal Namek saga

If I were to guess

Batman's somehow responsible for that or the shenaniganery that follows his combat feats (Dodging Omega Beams)

No idea how One Piece got there

Something something Kaguya, Momoshiki dimension scaling

Fairy Tail I have no idea but it's wild

Soul King balance/Transcendence wank

No idea for Black Clover

Calc stacking?? I don't think we even have Whitebeard tier statements for BNHA. Maybe if you wanna fraud the definition of society (Which Shiggy intends to destroy) and what that constitutes.

Technically, if we really stretch how we see Yorozu's true sphere then it's technically true for JJK but like Yuki's particular feat, it's an extreme exception.

As for Namek

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What happens when you priortize narrative over feats

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#40  Edited By huntercuistot

@kajin_style: by severely overestimating the size of the planet

Tbh, it’s still more reasonable than some other entries on the list…

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#41  Edited By J_Normal

Scalers don’t understand at all the actual scale of the universe.

Example: “Character X was planetary and now since he is 100x stronger he is now star level”.

This is a real conversation I had with a scaler. And character X was Luffy btw

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#42  Edited By Undre

@feanorr: nah I use the most logically arguments. Im not these new gen wankers on tictok and YouTube who except every single statement. Especially from the naruto side. They think God tiers are mftl multi solar to uni. Kurama is planetary ect. They also abuse mistranslation and fake scans. While At the same downplaying other verses.

Universal bleach has always been a possible argument. Stated they universe was threatened multi times in manga and novels. Higher Dimensional aizen is also a possible argument considering all the statements we are given. It's not like I'm picking at hyperboles and hype statements. If I was to do that then bleach would be outer lmao.

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outer universal for normal humans from DC seems fun. Batman is definitely poorly written, but I don't think he even reaches that level.

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#44  Edited By sirfizzwhizz

While everyone is universe everyone is also faster than light like.....

Spider Man

Batman

JJK

Jedi

Baki the Grappler

Warhammer 40K

God of War

Dante DMC

Ect...ect....

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I'm really miss the pre-20s when FEATS were matter

Ah yes, thank you random vsbattles weeb who has no clue what comic debating was like in the past for telling us how much better it was in the old days™.

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@pachyderm: I been around since 2011. Debating was better back then, truly peak in quality in 2015. It is garbage now.

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#47  Edited By RedSithDisciple
@catman6 said:

My main issue with powerscaling is Vader and Luke being equals. Vader being close to ROTJ Sidious makes sense because by logic and feats he has nothing preventing him from being that powerful. Luke, on the other hand, is some barely trained Jedi during an age where the Jedi were practically non-existent anymore, yet now within less than five years of discovering the force, he is magically a stomp gap above all ROTS titans who have trained for their lives and is somehow close to the most powerful sith lord of all time. I thought it was generally agreed that Vader was conflicted in ROTJ and that he was still > Luke.

One of the main problems with the Jedi was their code and how it held people like Anakin back and prevented him from reaching his potential. Luke trained for 4 years without the Jedi code holding him back, with Yoda even telling him in ROTJ that his training is complete. Adding in his potential, there's nothing stopping him from progressing way faster than the average PT Jedi. Yes, Vader was conflicted in ROTJ, but so was Luke. So ideally, a fight between the two can go either way, but neither is decisively superior to the other.

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#48  Edited By pachyderm

@sirfizzwhizz: I know, I've been here almost as long. I don't disagree with what you said at all, but let's not pretend like this nonsense of certain characters/verses being ultra-wanked hasn't always been around. There's more of it now since "powerscaling" is not as niche as it used to be and it sounds worse because of this stupid hyper-specific vsbattles terminology, but the wank has always existed. On CV specifically it's also a lot more common now because of mass weeb immigration from other sites.

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@kajin_style: by severely overestimating the size of the planet

Tbh, it’s still more reasonable than some other entries on the list…

You don't need star size for that. Hell Neptune has 16 moons and it is like 4x that of Earth.

The 7 moons on One Piece does imply a larger planet but it doesn't need to be THAT big.

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@undre said:

@feanorr: nah I use the most logically arguments. Im not these new gen wankers on tictok and YouTube who except every single statement. Especially from the naruto side. They think God tiers are mftl multi solar to uni. Kurama is planetary ect. They also abuse mistranslation and fake scans. While At the same downplaying other verses.

Universal bleach has always been a possible argument. Stated they universe was threatened multi times in manga and novels. Higher Dimensional aizen is also a possible argument considering all the statements we are given. It's not like I'm picking at hyperboles and hype statements. If I was to do that then bleach would be outer lmao.

As you can see, no one mentioned Bleach at any point and you were already aware of the unpopularity of your opinion specifically about this manga, I don't think it's a coincidence. To some degree even you must know that your statements often misrepresent reality.