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@asgardianweapon said:
But
Why
Is
Nul
The
Weakest
Tho
?
People can't give me ONE good reason that doesn't have to do to: i don't like it that Thor bfr/Hulk is stronger than Thor.
Nul broke adamantium nets and when he was free he gave the defenders trouble.When he was by himself he was called "the breaker of worlds" and the only thing that "defeated" Hulk/Nul was when Hulk fought his influence with Hulk's legendary willpower and this Hulk (still amped) broke his hammer.
Y'all don't know what you are talking about if you think he is weaker than BASE Savage Hulk
Because
Of
Feats
I understand your reasoning, on paper Nul is above most Hulks but in reality that just isn't the case. Nul literally did nothing that puts him above Savage Hulk, let alone other incarnations. I have no idea what it has to do with Thor BFRing him? That entire fight Thor was trying to kill Nul yet failed to do so, he couldn't even KO him and somehow without Nul even landing a single hit on him Thor looked like a bloody mess barely able to stand, so i dunno what "I don't like Thor BFR Hulk" has to do with anything? Many characters much weaker than Thor have the potential to BFR Hulk.
Good for him but that's only secondary adamantium
Something Savage Hulk has broken multiple times in the past, hell Hulk and Thor are only characters to have actually broken/dented even primary adamantium itself. "Giving defenders trouble" is a pretty vague statement, he didn't take out any of the Defenders including Namor or Red She Hulk, regular Hulk has caused more trouble for more powerful teams than that. Yea and Green Scar back in Planet Hulk where he was weakened was called Worldbreaker i dunno what that has to do with anything. Did Nul break any worlds or come close to doing so? That's a battle of wills, not power and Hulk broke the hammer not Nul, why would Nul help Hulk to break his own hammer?
Also there is no such thing as BASE Savage Hulk, i dunno where you got that information from but if you can provide me with feats of Nul doing something better than Savage Hulk i am all ears, in the mean time take a look at how well this "amped" version of Hulk did against a team of 3 street level characters and a mid-tier
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He got hurt multiple times by Spider-woman she even managed to crack his head with her punch, he got hurt by Hawkeyes explosive and electric arrows multiple times, got hurt by Protectors guns and got ragdolled around by Carol Danvers. While at the same time failed to take out any of them.
Now tell me how this is befitting of a Hulk that is suppose to be an amped version of Green Scar? Oh and don't think this is unique to Nul. Kluh who has been described as Hulks Hulk and much more powerful than normal Hulk has no feats on Savage Hulk level either, same with Hulk square as well as Maestro, all of these are amped versions of Hulk on paper but in practice they never showed anything that justifies them being above even Savage Hulk, in fact quite opposite they all fell short in the same/similar situations that Savage Hulk was in.
@captainmarvel11 said:
@asgardianweapon said:
But
Why
Is
Nul
The
Weakest
Tho
?
People can't give me ONE good reason that doesn't have to do to: i don't like it that Thor bfr/Hulk is stronger than Thor.
Nul broke adamantium nets and when he was free he gave the defenders trouble.When he was by himself he was called "the breaker of worlds" and the only thing that "defeated" Hulk/Nul was when Hulk fought his influence with Hulk's legendary willpower and this Hulk (still amped) broke his hammer.
Y'all don't know what you are talking about if you think he is weaker than BASE Savage Hulk
Because
Of
Feats
I understand your reasoning, on paper Nul is above most Hulks but in reality that just isn't the case. Nul literally did nothing that puts him above Savage Hulk, let alone other incarnations. I have no idea what it has to do with Thor BFRing him? That entire fight Thor was trying to kill Nul yet failed to do so, he couldn't even KO him and somehow without Nul even landing a single hit on him Thor looked like a bloody mess barely able to stand, so i dunno what "I don't like Thor BFR Hulk" has to do with anything? Many characters much weaker than Thor have the potential to BFR Hulk.
Good for him but that's only secondary adamantium
Something Savage Hulk has broken multiple times in the past, hell Hulk and Thor are only characters to have actually broken/dented even primary adamantium itself. "Giving defenders trouble" is a pretty vague statement, he didn't take out any of the Defenders including Namor or Red She Hulk, regular Hulk has caused more trouble for more powerful teams than that. Yea and Green Scar back in Planet Hulk where he was weakened was called Worldbreaker i dunno what that has to do with anything. Did Nul break any worlds or come close to doing so? That's a battle of wills, not power and Hulk broke the hammer not Nul, why would Nul help Hulk to break his own hammer?
Also there is no such thing as BASE Savage Hulk, i dunno where you got that information from but if you can provide me with feats of Nul doing something better than Savage Hulk i am all ears, in the mean time take a look at how well this "amped" version of Hulk did against a team of 3 street level characters and a mid-tier
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He got hurt multiple times by Spider-woman she even managed to crack his head with her punch, he got hurt by Hawkeyes explosive and electric arrows multiple times, got hurt by Protectors guns and got ragdolled around by Carol Danvers. While at the same time failed to take out any of them.
Now tell me how this is befitting of a Hulk that is suppose to be an amped version of Green Scar? Oh and don't think this is unique to Nul. Kluh who has been described as Hulks Hulk and much more powerful than normal Hulk has no feats on Savage Hulk level either, same with Hulk square as well as Maestro, all of these are amped versions of Hulk on paper but in practice they never showed anything that justifies them being above even Savage Hulk, in fact quite opposite they all fell short in the same/similar situations that Savage Hulk was in.
So first of: explain myself
What i meant to say before is that many people don´t like the idea of Thor being able to "defeat" a Hulk and a thing together so he must be weaker.
That entire fight Thor was trying to kill Nul yet failed to do so, he couldn't even KO him and somehow without Nul even landing a single hit on him Thor looked like a bloody mess barely able to stand
So... in your mind a weaker Hulk can do this to Thor?...ok, i like to think of them as more or less equals most of the time.
The fight has some context e so i don´t think it is a good way of knowing his strengh.
True, they are team street levels and a mid level character (Although Hawkeye has been able to hurt Hulk by shooting in his mouth before, destroy iron man suit, on shot super skrulls and other bulshitty outliers)
Do you know who isn´t an street level? Dr Strange, Red She hulk and Namor.
He no sold an enraged red she hulk, destroyed the crimson bands of cytorak and outright ignored them (Dr Strange, Red She Hulk, Namor and Iron fist) . Like, ok maybe Savage Hulk can win the most fights against Namor (well, obvious) and Red she Hulk, maybe even the majority of the fights against both of them together (altho they can put a good fight), But ignore them? No sold all of them? Strange was in this team and there was nothing he could do.
I will say it again, it´s not much of the team it´s that he no solded them (avengers 2012#3). Savage Hulk ain´t no solding this team, he can only no solding IF and even him got feats to show that he can somewhat hurt Savage
Before you say that red she hulk is fodder she did defeated she hulk before, defeated Loki, broke free from Thor´s grasp, no sold iron man repulsors fought evenly with green savage/skar(??) on Aaron´s run
and comic vine " saying that feats matter the most" is kinda funny. By feats Savage´s outliers trumps every other Hulk, even worldbreaker. By feats Thing isn´t close to planetery and shouldn´t be able to hurt top tiers. Try going solely by feeats and not by context, scale and in universe logic and we get some weird shit
So first of: explain myself
What i meant to say before is that many people don´t like the idea of Thor being able to "defeat" a Hulk and a thing together so he must be weaker.
Oh no, Thor is perfectly capable of beating Hulk, i have no problems with that.
So... in your mind a weaker Hulk can do this to Thor?...ok, i like to think of them as more or less equals most of the time.
No actually the whole thing made no sense. Which is why i told you, Hulk never even hit Thor in that fight yet somehow Thor ended up beat up, it made no sense. They are pretty equal, well it depends on which Hulk incarnation we are talking about. I think Thor can beat some more times then not, some it's a draw, some he loses a bit more than wins.
True, they are team street levels and a mid level character (Although Hawkeye has been able to hurt Hulk by shooting in his mouth before, destroy iron man suit, on shot super skrulls and other bulshitty outliers)
Yea but this is suppose to be an amped Green Scar... he really shouldn't hurt him especially since even Savage Hulk can be this resilient to his arrows
though there have been times Hawkeye has caused him pain with his arrows, there is really no excuse for why Spider-Woman did as well as she has against him, or Captain Marvel ragdolling him a character that Hulk has completely no sold(while having no amps) and one-shot into space
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Do you know who isn´t an street level? Dr Strange, Red She hulk and Namor.
Yea but i am more so talking about Nulk while possessing the Hulk, even then Nul himself didn't really do much he was just a more powerful brick than Red She Hulk and he didn't do anything that regular Hulk hasn't done before including breaking the bands of Cyttorak
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So he wasn't all that impressive or preformed better than regular Hulk would have in that situation.
He no sold an enraged red she hulk, destroyed the crimson bands of cytorak and outright ignored them (Dr Strange, Red She Hulk, Namor and Iron fist) . Like, ok maybe Savage Hulk can win the most fights against Namor (well, obvious) and Red she Hulk, maybe even the majority of the fights against both of them together (altho they can put a good fight), But ignore them? No sold all of them? Strange was in this team and there was nothing he could do.
He didn't no sell her punch, she actually drew blood from him
And Namor actually managed to restrain him for a while himself, enough for Danny to punch a hole through him
If by ignoring them you mean he pushed through to them, well Hulk has done so as well in fact against similar and even more impressive foes
overpowered Thor and Ironman holding him
overpowered Namor and Surfer holding him
overpowered Namor, Wonderman, Hercules and Ironman holding him
and maybe his most impressive, overpowered Jane Thor and Hercules holding him by just flexing his muscles
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In that same story Jane and Hercules held the weight of Earth in place, but couldn't hold down Hulk.
I will say it again, it´s not much of the team it´s that he no solded them (avengers 2012#3). Savage Hulk ain´t no solding this team, he can only no solding IF and even him got feats to show that he can somewhat hurt Savage
Nul didn't no sell anyone here, except Stranges Crimson bands which barely even materilized. And Savage Hulk has already no sold IF on 2 different occasions
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Before you say that red she hulk is fodder she did defeated she hulk before, defeated Loki, broke free from Thor´s grasp, no sold iron man repulsors fought evenly with green savage/skar(??) on Aaron´s run
She isn't fodder but she isn't really doing anything to Hulk. Aarons Hulk was a massive jobber, he lost a fight to Yeti's, struggled against bears, struggled against mutant dogs, got hurt by glass, struggled against Kraven, etc...
Hulk and Red She Hulk never really fought(except for in HOTM but she was amped to his level there), she did fight Doc Green who is weaker than Savage Hulk and he literally let her hit him and didn't manage to do anything to him
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And just for reference 2 issues prior to that he fought A-bomb who broke his nose and 1 issue prior he fought who punched him so hard he sent him flying several miles away, both of them drew blood from him but Red She Hulk didn't.
and comic vine " saying that feats matter the most" is kinda funny. By feats Savage´s outliers trumps every other Hulk, even worldbreaker. By feats Thing isn´t close to planetery and shouldn´t be able to hurt top tiers. Try going solely by feeats and not by context, scale and in universe logic and we get some weird shit
Yea but we don't use outliers seriously. We use feats in proper context, scale and logic, we don't just bring up Hulk clapped a universe busting attack away and just take such feats seriously.
As i said if you look at Nul while he was controlling the Hulk, he either didn't preform well or just made no sense at all like against Thor.
@captainmarvel11 said:
No actually the whole thing made no sense. Which is why i told you, Hulk never even hit Thor in that fight yet somehow Thor ended up beat up, it made no sense.
Actually, that's not quite true. Hulk hit Thor once on-panel.
Which only makes it even worse for Nul, since Thor basically walked it off and seemed to be more hurt by Angrir's blow that followed right afterwards.
@toratorn said:
@captainmarvel11 said:
No actually the whole thing made no sense. Which is why i told you, Hulk never even hit Thor in that fight yet somehow Thor ended up beat up, it made no sense.
Actually, that's not quite true. Hulk hit Thor once on-panel.
Which only makes it even worse for Nul, since Thor basically walked it off and seemed to be more hurt by Angrir's blow that followed right afterwards.
Yea but i was talking more when they fought 1v1, Nul never hit him and Angrirs hits were more powerful than Nuls even though he got one-shot by Thor later, none of it made any sense.
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