I'd say put the character of ice if they betray the team. I'm sick of seeing the same old heroes getting "evil" and then forgiven in the same page as their betrayal.
I'd say a stint in the Suicide Squad and Thunderbolts teams would make these repeat offenders think twice before betraying the team again.
For this particular topic I think intent has a huge amount to do with whether or not the character should be forgiven. With "Tower of Babel", Batman had contingencies in place in case his teammates went rogue. These plans were stolen and used by Ra's. Batman's intent was to have a plan in place. On the other hand, Gambit took payment to help the marauders murder innocent mutants. His intent was to receive payment in exchange for murder. So I think there is a huge difference between the two. One is a major lapse in judgment and the other is.... well.... MASS #$*%*#$ MURDER.
Outside of the comics , it depends on how popular the storyline is . In the story, it depends on the reasons. You cannot really blame mind-controlled etc guys since they are victims too. But if they go on to betray them out of ...say greed or lust for power , well you probably think twice before trusting them.
Also...Batman. That is all.
Depends on the situation of the betrayal;
Under the influence of 3rd party by drugs, brainwashing (such as Psylocke/Wolverine/Raven) is usually considered to be 'ok' by everyone save when something truly horrible has been committed and the betrayer is forgiven, mostly.
Cracking under the strain of doing what they do depends entirely on the offenses committed, like Stark/Danver's drinking problems, Roy Harpers drug problems and Scarlet Witch/Jericho bouts of insanity. They can be forgiven, but some wont.
Because the betrayer was really evil all along, like Terra I, wont be forgiven, save by those who are utterly convinced (or blinded) of the goodness within the person, even if it's not there.
I'm always a big fan of the betrayal in order to infiltrate enemy territory by going deep cover, then revealing it was all part of the master plan in the end. It's been used time and time again. I think with as much history as characters have individually, forgiveness is solely based on the characters popularity, like Fialkov said.
If it was against their will or a minor betrayal I'd let it pass. Some of these folks do some pretty bad things and are allowed to walk. Normal people would get life in prison for some of the betrayals that have occurred.
More importantly, I learned from autocorrect that I didn't know how to spell betrayal. THANKS COMICVINE!
Yes you can trust them again because they always come back with a good excuse like
Oh I was possessed,
Well they were going to Kill so and so,
Oh, well... actually I never REALLY betrayed you because it was all part of my master plan.
but for me in real life
Your still a Homie(still in the team) but I dont trust you for $#!% anymore.
@The Black Hood: the fact Gambit wasnt even IN the X-Men when he did that kinda makes the point..moot dontya think? -_-
Not in the least. If you found out someone you were hanging out with had murdered a bunch of people would you still keep hanging out with them simply because it happened before you knew them. I don't think a length of time really mitigates mass murder, but when you have someone with Wolverine's body count on your team I guess maybe that's something you're more willing to overlook.
Treachery is terrible thing, for example Sentinel Prime killed Ironhide and the twins (in the comics) , he can never redeem himself from that. Of course betrayal always seem to be planned to find out the enemies plans and secret
Killing Ironhide, no he shouldn't. But I'm sorry... killing the Twins? That man deserves a medal, a National holiday, and a parade in his honor.
I think that heroes should only betray the team when mind controlled (which I`m getting tired of), if they didn`t really do anything bad at all or when there`s too much of something personal at stake. Otherwise, they`re just being huge jerks.
Who could say no to that face?
I don`t know...He looks like a pretty slick guy. But then again, what hero could be COMPLETELY trusted.
Heroes can absolutely be forgiven after a betrayal. I'm reminded of the very brutal betrayal done by Yellow Jacket in older Avengers books. Hitting his wife, talking mess at his court martial, then sicking a killer robot on his own team was down right diabolical! But if he hadn't been forgiven for such heinous behavior he wouldn't have found his calling as Dr. Pym during his time with the West Coast Avengers which is hands down my favorite incarnation of Ant-Man. I'm not saying that you shouldn't draw a line at a certain point but forgiveness for super humans usually end up making them better heroes in the long run.
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