@batmanplusjay: And again you miss the reply button. Let me guess, afraid huh?
Yeah.. because his ability to predict moves before his opponent even does totally isn't the reason why.
He's not better. He just knows what'll happen before it even comes.
Seriously, a three year old would be able to grasp the point I'm making, The fact that you can't says something.
Shame, you can't analyze the fight for yourself and needs someone to hold your hand to show it to you.
I can, considering I could analyze their fight without anyone holding my hand while you can't.
And why isn't it? Why can't you prove otherwise.
Why is your baseless hypothesis based on nothing? Because you don't have any evidence to back it up other than your blatant bias towards Naruto.
Show me a time Sasuke has outdone Naruto, base vs Base in taijutsu without sharingan. You can't.
Any of their spars we see in flashbacks when they were kids.
Other than that, Sasuke doesn't fight without using Sharingan, which is why you can't claim that Naruto is better than him at taijutsu without it. See how evidence works?
Because the only reason he does it because of his sharingan. Don't act like an idiot and pretend Sharingan isn't the reason he's winning those taijutsu fights
The only one acting like an idiot is the one who thinks knowing a future event makes a person more skilled.
Am I... am I talking to someone who's never watch Naruto before?
Watched it and read it multiple times. Which is why I know more than you.
Because Naruto has proven.. even in this fight.. he can put out a clone to gather nature energy to get him into sage mode while he keeps Sasuke busy.
And how does that in any way disprove what I said? He still needs to stay still, clone or not, to gather Nature energy.
Instead of trying to sound like you actually know the series, make sure you can read a sentence first.
Since you have some sort of issue with videos, lemme ask you first.. want me to show you some videos or Naruto using clones to get him into sage mode and fight? I have 3 different fights on the top of my head right now. All you gotta do is ask.
Yes, why don't you do that. Show me in three different fights Naruto immediately making a clone to go and gather Nature energy for him. So me three different fights where that's the very first thing he does against his opponent.
Because for one, Sasuke can't teleport a jutsu as massive as those two Rasenshuriken in such little time. Let alone one while they're both going full speed through the air.
1) He teleported his Susanoo. He can definitely teleport an attack that is smaller than an object he already teleported.
2) He can easily teleport those attacks. All he has to do is see them.
Looks like you don't even know what Sasuke can do, yet you're still crying about Naruto not using his abilities to the fullest. Great job.
You say that alot. Yet you proved nothing. We have yet to see Naruto and Sasuke go head to head in an EQUAL battle of taijutsu. It's literally like me saying "lmao naruto is better in taijutsu cuz he beating sasuke up" despite Naruto in sage mode and Sasuke not even using his sharingan. Of course they're gonna be better, they're in a state that isn't their base and gives them the advantage in whatever category(ies).
This is honestly the weakest argument I've ever seen for a Naruto fanboy. Complaining about Sasuke using his Sharingan is basically the same thing as me complaining about Naruto using Nine Tails chakra.
You haven't done anything to prove Naruto is better besides posting a video and saying "Yeah Naruto is better because I say so". You're debating is a joke, tbh. Until they actually do fight in your so-called "EQUAL" battle of taijutsu, you can't make the claim that Naruto is better. Especially since you've so easily proven how biased you are.
LOL!! What does "Post timeskip" have to do with this?
You're trying to debate post-timeskip characters, and you're telling me what does post-timeskip have to do with this? Jesus Christ...
If Goku was to fight fraiza you don't say "NO!! Goku is weaker because remember BEFORE that timeskip Goku almost lost and wasn't as strong?" because it obviously shows development to every character in the timeskip
Do you seriously not know that post means "after"? Post-timeskip is after Naruto trained with Jiraiya. And if you could actually read instead of gloss over and go back to bitching, you'd have noticed that I said "Naruto has done nothing post-timeskip (that means after his training) to suggest that he's suddenly better than Sasuke at taijutsu."
Go back to elementary and learn to read.
One os Naruto's was taijutsu. Sasuke's was not. He just learned Chirdori Nagashi and Kirin since the 3 years. And after the timeskip it showed Naruto training with Jariyah, a legendary Sannin to teach him taijutsu. And when Naruto comes back, he knows taijutsu. He's used it on multiple occasions to show he is at least Sasuke's equal in it.
This is rich. So now you're claiming Sasuke didn't train in taijutsu because......what? Because we didn't get a filler episode that showed him doing so?
Again, your knowledge, or lack of, of the series is laughable.
He created a strategy to beat the Raikage.
Which he only did with prior knowledge. The same thing he had against Pain.
He created strategies to get Kaguya.
Like what? Reverse Sexy jutsu? Waiting until she was in front of him to break out of the ice to attack her? Those aren't strategies, let alone good ones.
He created strategies to beat Kakashi.
With prior knowledge. The same thing he had against Pain.
He created strategies to beat Gaara
And? He's not a master strategist because of that. These examples are getting worse and worse with each one. You really need to learn what you're talking about.
He created strategies to beat Pain
Because he already had previous knowledge.
Funny how almost every single instance of Naruto creating strategies involves him already knowing information on his opponent.
He had strategies to bring out of Blood Prison and beat the Warden's monster son..
Blood Prison isn't even Canon.
LOL how embarrassing.
Only difference is, someone was there and said "Pain has this and that" and left it all up to Naruto to finish the job.. WITH HIS STRATEGIES.
Yeah, all those strategies wouldn't have even been thought up if Naruto didn't know the information he needed beforehand.
Try harder. This is just getting easier and easier.
You literally can't prove anything you say while I can. I named moments where it shows Naruto's development in taijutsu, I even showed you
You haven't proven a single thing. All you've done is whine, ignore common sense, and repeatedly misunderstand a basic, fifth-grade conecpt.
It's funny that you think you've proven something, though.
You just throw out claims as if they're facts. If you don't show any facts or anything to back up the bullcrap you put into your comments, then don't bother commenting at all. I find it amazing how you supposedly "watched the series" and yet you can't remember Naruto out-smarting pretty much everyone he comes across. Deidara and Pain included.
1) Naruto and Sasuke have never fought when Sasuke didn't use the Sharingan (when they're older), yet you think that not having evidence to prove that Naruto is better than Sasuke actually means that Naruto is better than Sasuke. You have no proof to back your bullcrap comments, yet try to insult mine? And lol at a "hypothesis". You probably don't even know what that means, considering you don't even know what "post-timeskip" means.
2) I find it amazing how you claim to watch the series but can get so many simple things wrong. It's astounding.
Nope. Plot has nothing to do with this since the fight makes complete sense.
So plot has nothing to do with why the main character of the series beat a clearly superior opponent.
This debate is probably one of the stupidest ones I've had on this site.
Naruto outsmarted Pain. Plain and simple.
Let's just forget all the "whys" and "hows" huh? Sure we can go with that. Sasuke also beat Itachi, but we don't need to know that Itachi was going blind, sick and dieing, and purposely threw the fight to rid Sasuke of Orochimaru and give him Amaterasu? Let's just forget all of that.
Stabbing through their damn body to stick'em to the floor is going serious.
Your kindergarten-level of understanding of events is hilarious.
It's like saying if someone gets into a fight at school, they're not serious because by your logic since they're not trying to kill, they're not serious
That's the worst analogy. People at school aren't trying to kill each other. Ninjas in Naruto are.
I can literally feel my brain cells dieing after reading what you're writing.
And wasn't it you who said "just because he isn't tryin to kill doesn't mean he doesn't take him seriously"? Yes. You did. Stop contradicting yourself.
Lol you're clearly confused. What's wrong, are these words too big for you?
I never said Pain didn't take Naruto seriously, I said he wasn't going all out, i.e. he wasn't trying to kill him. That's completely different than Naruto not taking Sasuke seriously.
Naruto was fighting on the defensive. Pain was holding back because he needed Naruto alive. If you can't see the difference between those two situations, you shouldn't even be debating here.
Called a hypothesis backed up by facts.
What facts? When has Naruto fought Sasuke without the Sharingan and won? Unless you can show me an instance of that, you're "facts" are nothing but a fanboy's biased opinion.
What you're doing is just asking questions simply because the series doesn't state in bold "NARUTO AND SASUKE ARE EQUALS IN TAIJUTSU"
No, what I'm doing is stating what the manga has already shown us: that Sasuke is better at taijutsu. It's not my fault your pea-sized brain can't comprehend that.
You literally never had any kind of fact to back you up since we debated.
Lol everything I said has been shown in the manga. Don't believe me? Try reading it.
I did and proved with evidence why Naruto is equal to Sasuke in taijutsu and you just say "no". Like.. WHAT..?
What facts? You haven't provided anything. You posted videos with nothing but "here's a video, Naruto is better".
Even your hypothesis, which you claim is backed up by facts, isn't backed up by facts. If they were, show me a scan or video of Naruto beating Sasuke in taijutsu without Sasuke using the Sharingan. You already said you can't because they haven't fought like that.
Stop contradicting yourself.
Of course it doesn't make you more skilled.
So after three replies of saying "Having the Sharingan makes you more skilled at taijutsu" you're all of a sudden jumping ship and now trying to claim that it doesn't make you more skilled?
Pick a damn side and stick with it.
Sasuke ISN'T more skilled. His eyes just allow him to know things ahead of time and he can react to it because he knows it's coming. If you know someone will do something before they even do it. you will 99.9999% of the time prevent them from even doing it.. RIGHT?! And because of that Sasuke is winning.
If Sasuke knew what was going to happen before it happened, why was Bee able to tag him? Why was Danzo able to grab him neck and place a seal on him? Why was Madara able to grab him with Limbo and stab him? Why was Juubito able to grab his forehead and almost kill him? Why was Darui able to land a water jutsu against him? Why was Kakashi able to kick him?
I thought you said that 99.9999% of the time he would prevent them from even doing it, so what happened in all those above mentioned times?
You know what, don't answer that. I can only take so many headaches in one day.
I KNOW RIGHT?! And for some reason you're acting like a complete idiot. Maybe you are. Idk. It's amazing how you act like knowing something will happen before it does and having a very wide window to prevent it from happening has nothing to do with Sasuke beating Naruto in taijutsu. You're a complete idiot..
> throws a tantrum because Kishi didn't write the final fight the way he wanted
> gets called out on his bitching because his reasons are nothing but butthurt fanboy reasons
> can't back up his "reasons" when confronted about the,
> resorts to calling names
Didn't know I was dealing with a five year old.
No, he didn't. He did great with Sasuke. He made naruto hold back too much.
If the fact that you thought the Sasuke vs Naruto rooftop scene was from a dream before wasn't an indication that you have no idea what you're talking about, this all but seals the deal.
That is the dumbest....sigh...... I said that already..you literally just reiterated what I said.... and making someone better at fighting DOES make them better than their opponent who doesn't have the sharingan(unless they're in a sage mode)... RIGHT? It's like I'm teaching a kindergarten class.. with 1 student in it.
Your retorts would make sense if you actually had any idea what you were talking about. You don't.
DAMN RIGHT IT'S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE TO YOU. IT'S WORSE! IT'S LIKE TRYING TO COUNT TO INFINITY FOR YOU. You're a complete idiot. Please don't comment back. I dont wanna deal with this stupidity.
Good job, you scaled back your original meme with a different gif.
I've had some stupid debates in the past, but this one easily takes the cake. I honestly feel like I got dumber just by reading what you were writing. Please do me and everyone else a favor and don't reply in this thread again.
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