MCU high tiers are above nuke level / respect thread

There has been a lot of lowballing recently of MCU high tier characters. This has led me to create this thread. In this thread, I will give examples of just feats made by MCU characters that are above nuclear bomb / missile level.

DURABILITY

1. Thor's star feat

Yes. Yes. I know. The star did not act like a regular star, so we cannot judge its strength that way. The thing is though, that we can do this a different way. It is all thanks to this clip:

In this video at 0:27, we see Thor say that Uru metal is a special metal from the heart of a dying star (Neutron Star)

This confirms that Uru is Neutron Star material. This is important because Neutron Star material can withstand temperatures of billions of degrees, and 10^34 pascals or over 10^30 pounds of force per square inch without being crushed.

The amount of energy that would be required to melt this down would be much more than a nuke could produce, but the full energy of a star? Yes.

This is all important because the energy required to met this down was survived by Thor. This should put him solidly above nuke level. In fact this should be an almost planetary feat. It is also not an outlier as the directors used this to directly show Thor's true strength, and it goes with many of his other post awakened feats which are touching on planetary.

2. Thor survives MFTL acceleration and collisions with gas clouds. If you know anything about light speed objects, even ignoring general relativity, they have a lot of force. Far more than a nuke.

Even if we ignore general relativity, even colliding with 1 neutrino in space (space is full of them) at what seems to be at least 10,000,000,000 times faster than light judging how fast he was going in the Bifrost, would have literally

7.1904032 x 10^17 joules of force behind it. That would be just one. There are about 110 neutrinos per cm^3 in space so Thor was easily taking over quadrillions of these going through space. At least 7.4831245e+47 joules of energy altogether assuming he only went 10,000,000,000 light years.

Along with this, this acceleration would not only liquify something that could take a nuke, but turn it into pure energy. It would experiencing 1,366,650,099,677,259,819 Gs of force, or about 1.4 × 10^18 Gs for you scientific notation snobs.

3. Thanos snaps his fingers and is subjected to a surge of gamma rays on the scale of nothing ever seen before

In this gif, we can see how the energy radiated outwards from Wakanda directly from Thanos. The energy is at least 5000 megatons (bigger than any nuke), but definitely way higher as the counter of megatons was still going up and it was stated to be the biggest energy surge ever seen before.

I know that you might be saying "well why was nothing around Thanos destroyed?"

The answer is that I don't know. Maybe PIS, or maybe it was teleported out of the immediate vicinity via the Space Stone. It does not matter though how nothing was destroyed because Thanos was still affected by all the energy as he was burned. The fact that nothing around him was destroyed has nothing to do with the amount of energy he took as nothing around him including Thor were affected. Just him. We also know that Thanos took all this energy and not just. fraction of it as the user takes all the energy that the Stones give off as radiation thanks to the scene with Professor Hulk

4. Kurse is not instantly sucked into a black hole, and takes 11 full seconds to be absorbed

This is impressive because being that close to a black hole would destroy any material that comes its way and would be producing more force than any nuke could generate, but it takes 11 whole seconds to actually kill Kurse.

I know you might be like: "well it took a long time to suck in Odin's throne that is made out of gold."

This is a valid point that you have and is a good debunk until you actually look closely at how the black hole works.

Notice this sort of bubble that forms when the grenade initially goes off:

This seems to act as a telltale of what the range is. Anything outside it is not subjected as strongly to the true power of the black hole.

When something is inside the range of the black hole, like these soldiers:

They are immediately atomized. Those soldiers are also many times more durable than the throne too as they are Asgardian.

In conclusion, anything inside the range of the initial bubble is subjected to the full force of the black hole, and anything outside of it is not

5. Thor tanks Sokovia exploding

Before you say: "Thor was KOd." Just stop. He was not:

6. Thor survives the Statesman exploding

Thor comes out of an explosion that blew up a ship that no sold going through a collapsing Neutron Star with nothing but a sunburn.



This is impressive as it shows that the ship was not only able to withstand pressures of that of a collapsing Neutron Star 10^34 pascals (many times more than point blank of a nuke, and something that would require well over a planet sized amount of TNT to produce pressures this much), but that of a forming black hole (due to it being a collapsing neutron star). Even with this however, it was no match for the Power Stone which Thor survived.

ATTACK POTENCY AND STRENGTH

1. Thor pulls the rings of Nidavellir

In this gif, we have the famed "Thor ring pull"

In this gif, Thor is exerting an equal amount of strength as Rocket's rocket (no pun intended). This allows him to move the rings of Nidavellir. This is amazingly impressive as those rings are insanely heavy and dense as they have their own gravity.

He was also definitely the one moving them and they did not move on their own. This is because the forge lost power, so could not do anything. Also, a few thousand tons of ice on the gears of the rings would not be able to stop something that could move literal planet weight metal rings. They would not even notice the ice. On top of this, we see the rings move by themself, but only start after the star starts to heat up, and Thor after Thor moves them.

Thor obviously moves them himself, then the rings stop, and the gears move them into place without Thor’s help. If the gears were already moving and Thor just helped them, they would be in constant motion.

Judging by the size of the rings, and the weight of them, it is safe to say that a nuke would not be able to output enough energy to move them

2. Thor destroys Leviathans

This is impressive as it was stated by Jarvis that Tony would run out of power before a highly concentrated laser of his even made it through a the armor. That laser in a weaker armor was stated to put out 200 petawatts in a 2 second time. That is also above nuke level

3. Thanos crushes the Tesseract

This is far beyond nuke level because the Tesseract is able to channel through it the energy required to bend space enough to open a wormhole which is ridiculously more energy than a nuke can give off. The only thing that happens to the Tesseract after this is that it gets a little hot. This proves that the energy is indeed interacting with the Tesseract and is not just magic intangible energy

(This could be an outlier, but Thanos really has no crushing anti feats, and was casually able to crunch Loki's neck, break Visions head, and tear off Iron Man's helmet which is made out of material that no sold the Power Stone.)

4. Thor causes a shockwave bigger than the Earth itself

In this gif, Thor sends out a shockwave that destroys so much ice that it creates a canyon 100 times that of the Grand Canyon

Keep in mind that this is also ice that is equally as strong as Asgardian steel. Overall, a nuke would not be able to cause a literal planetary canyon of ice.

Yeah. That is how big Earth is compared to the canyon Thor made. It was also stated in the script to have shaken the whole planet.

Edit 1:

5. Ikaris displaces a country sized amount of clouds

This amount of clouds he dispersed is insane. It is highly reminiscent of the Tonga volcano eruption that happened this year

This blast was put at 10 megatons (definitely nuke level) Ikaris also dispersed those clouds thousands of times faster than this volcano eruption, so it is definitely safe to say Ikaris's bull rush is beyond nuke level. This is a calc to it putting it at island level. This would also be considered a durability feat too, as Ikaris has to be durable enough to no sell this much force.

Edit 2:

Thanos one shots Dr Strange's shield

This might be one of the best MCU high tier feats to date as these shields are tremendously and notoriously durable.

This is impressive as Dormammu is clearly not holding back, and is still only able to break through it after a full 5 seconds or so. If you do not think that Dormammu is beyond nuke level, then I don't know what to tell you. This is even more impressive as it is one of the first times Dr Strange has ever even used one of these attacks, and is countless times more powerful when he actually faces Thanos.

This is not the only attack that Dr Strange has blocked against the sentient universe either.

Along with the feats against Dormammu, his alternate universe counterparts block attacks from Strange Supreme himself

I know that you might be thinking "What if Strange does not scale to main universe Strange!" In reality, there is no difference in their power levels as they had parallel lives except for a few small changes.

We also have feats of these shields made by far weaker characters

These same energy blasts did this to a Leviathan

Overall, I think this is substantial evidence to prove that MCU characters definitely do indeed have nuke level and above feats

Credit also goes to @kryptonianking88 for giving me some of these feats :)

@thequestingbeast

@rajjarsalt

@death4bunnies

@organic

@kryptonianking88

@heiqn

@lazerbeak

I am not done yet. This is my first respect thread, so it is a little sloppy. Sorry.

Add this:

Iron Man Mk 6 has 200 petawatt / 45+ megaton lasers

Rescue damaged leviathans

Captain Marvel created a country sized crater in What If

Captain Marvel is stated to punch as hard as 10 nukes

Captain Marvel survived a bloodlusted power stone punch

Iron Man blocked a bloodlusted power stone beam

Iron Man tanked a MHS/relativistic meteor

Thanos stood next to a black hole, Strange transmuted it

Thanos is stated to have tanked the full power of the stones

Ikaris displaced a bunch of clouds

Thor might’ve arrested the momentum of Sokovia

Thor temporarily destroyed the aether

Thor destroyed a star off screen in What If

Malekith destroyed a planet off screen, Thor considered him unimpressive

Thor’s jotunhein feat shook the planet and accelerated its decay

Captain Marvel damaged Vultron’s head, which tanked the solar system level shockwave of the attack that killed her

Dr Strange temporarily blocked a blast from Dormammu

@kryptonianking88: Wow. Okay. Thanks.

@kryptonianking88: Also, when did Malekith destroy a planet?

@goldeneagle:

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/mcu-malekith-is-a-planet-buster-2119102/

@kryptonianking88: Thanks. Wow. That is actually pretty legit. LOL. Probably an outlier though. I'll include it, but warn people to take it with a grain of salt.

@goldeneagle: throw me in the mentions lol. Also nice list I’ll check them later on if there’s anything you missed

@lazerbeak: I did, and thanks.

Quick question about Thor, if he can destroy Sokovia and make a shockwave bigger than the Earth, can’t Worthy Cap do the same? I mean he already got the strength and durability to do so.

@lazerbeak: I guess so. Possibly? I don't think so though as I think Thor has more raw power as he does not need his hammer for those powers. Good question though.

Bump

Add this

Doctor Strange did a spell that affected the entire multiverse

This is interesting. I can't dispute much of this thread. I guess it more so appears to me that some of these higher level feats are inconsistent with what is sometime shown in actual head to head combat. Am I making sense?

Great thread anyway.

Well Odin did claim he has the power of Thor

like if you wield the hammer

Nice thread

Overall, I think this is substantial evidence to prove that MCU characters definitely do indeed have nuke level and above feats

Ate it up and left crumbs everywhere.

In other words, consistently above 616

nevevr would have know i would eventually become a MCU hater but that shows how mumch i know

@nassergrant19: Thanks

Nukes > DCEU/MCU.

Wank city

Will debunk later (:

@goldeneagle:

Durability Debunked:

Attack Potency Debunked:

Please calm down with the wank, literally every single thing you posted is taken out of context and put in the most favorable light for your argumentative our purposes.

@crunch5481: I’ll respond with counters to your “debunks” later tonight when I get my computer. So far, many things you said were incorrect though.

@crunch5481: Also, one of your points is incorrect. Nobody knows what is at the center of neutron stars, so it could very well be solid.

@crunch5481:

Great post

Goldenfecal lies and truly beleives his fecal headcanon

Per the imdb script, sutur and his fire demons were a threat to thor. Thor had to shield himself from suturs flame that didnt even melt stone

Thor ducked from lazers

Right before the sokovia explosion, thor was dazed and bruised from a minor bullrush into a open stone church

Thanos grunted in pain when starlord hit him with the but of his gun

Thors amped lightning failed to damage the cladding of the chrysler building snd didnt even go through a leviathin.

Etc

Etc

Mcu wankers are trurly stuck on stupid

@crunch5481:

If i may ask your educated opnion

What temp was the motherbox heated to when steppwolf casually held it?

Bataman states the only thing as hot or hotter would be a nuclear reactor

"He knew. He wasn’t trying to destroy the box… he was trying to superheat it.He made the core the hottest thing on Earth outside of a nuclear reactor. Now, anything that hot would have to…

[Batman] Blink off the charts on a thermal imaging system"

Please advise

@organic: Calling MCU fans stupid looks hypocritical coming from somebody who spells like you.

This point is based on a complete misunderstanding of material science, Neutron star physics, and simply logic.

1. This is gonna be fun.

First of all, Neutron Star material can't "withstand" those parameters you list. That is just how the material exists. The center of a Neutron star is under extreme conditions, yes, which causes the matter to become super-dense and become a Quark-plasma.

2. Where are you getting “quark plasma” from? It is unknown what is at the center , so it could very well be solid.

Uru is obviously not in a quark-plasma state, it is solid cool matter. To make this easier to understand: Stars work through their gravity. The immense gravity of a star causes the hydrogren molecules to fuse together into helium, and then the helium is also caused to fuse again, and so on. This process fuses hydrogen atoms together to make helium which fuses together again to make the next element and then so on, eventually Iron is created from the fusion process. At the center of our Sun right now exists some amount of the element Iron. Now, does this mean a hammer made of Iron can withstand the heat and force at the center of the star? NO. Obviously not. By your logic which you are trying to apply to Uru this obviously false statement about the Iron Hammer would be true. But it is demonstrably false. Therefore this point falls apart completely.

3. This whole chunk is based off of the assumption that the centers of neutron stars are plasma.

Not only this, but we've seen time and time again that the Uru Mjolnir doesn't weigh much. Thor puts it on a coffee table, and hangs it on a coat rack, yet neither are broken. Yet if you took a table spoon of matter from the center of neutron star it would be so dense that it would dig itself a hole into the Earth.

4. I would assume that is what one of the enchantments are for. I don’t know what the process is of making the Uru pre forging, but they were clearly already in set shapes and amounts. What matters is that there is an in universe definition of Uru as metal from the core of a neutron Star. That is irrefutable.

Rocket Racoon and Groot both are capable of being transported using the Bifrost as seen in Infinity War, does this mean they are capable of surviving the insane acceleration forces that would be involved with going faster than light by conventional means? The answer is no. Loki is also present with Thor when Hela knocks both of them out of the Bifrost. Loki also tanks the bifrost shards while going just as fast as Thor did, does Loki now have durability to withstand MFTL crystals to his skin? The answer is no obviously not. This would make no sense for Loki whom is obviously not that durable, the man was put down by the Hulk with ease, with slams that didn't even break through the floor they were standing on, yet with your logic Loki can tank MFTL bifrost crystals. Clearly this is not the case, and this is inapplicable feat.

5. Fair points. I will fix the crystal part.

You know what else survived going through the portal in Thor ragnarok? Literally all that junk that was in the junkyard and falling from the wormhole and not completely torn to shreds and atomized as something would be if it approached a collapsing neutron star, this is yet again an inapplicable feat as we have proof it does not act the way you claim.

6. So what if that junk falls through? That is a feat for whatever metal that is. Those are all spaceship parts. Only an indication of how strong MCU alien metal truly is.

Flying through and destroying missiles capable of great destruction when used as designed does not mean you are capable of withstanding that same great destruction as no missile is designed to be flown through and destroyed mid-flight before it hits its target. Nuclear ICBMs are able to be shot down before hitting their target WITHOUT causing the nuke to explode in a NUCLEAR detonation. So not only is their precedent to explain that it need not explode with it's full potential, but we also visually see the explosions are simply not that big when Captain Marvel destroys the missiles in mid-air. And no the fireballs aren't actually continuing to expand to the size they would've if used correctly. As we see in your provided gif, there is no greater change in size as she is shown flying out of it. They also are definitely not Nuclear explosions. Nuclear Explosions don't look like those missiles did when they exploded.

7. Fair point. I will edit that.

Very convenient of you to leave out the gif of Kurse being sucked in by the grenade.

8. The stupid gif size limit means my gifs can only have like 30 frames.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFNLQ3kgrEk the grenade goes off at 2:31. The grenade attacking Kurse is first different in size of influence, compare the fact that it barely goes beyond his body to any of the other three black hole grenade uses, then compare the color of the grenade. Why is this grenade so much different than the others? If this grenade has a different color and size of influence then is it logical to assume that it would have the exact same forces involved? No it would not be. There exists clear and obvious differences, but we don't know why.

9. There is no difference. The sphere is the same size, and the orange - yellow energy is from Kurse being ripped apart. That is the color of their “Kursed” spell.

If Thor was not KO'd then why did he fall into water as though he was? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6CR-Gp

10. How should he have fallen? He could not fly away. He clearly moves his arm a good amount of time after he enters the water. Also, Mjolnir did not come to him because it was probably launched miles away, and Thor would have probably been knocked down from one of the thousands of debris. Also, that explosion is definitely nuke level. Do you think any non nuke can do that?

Ah the rings feat, must I debunk this again? Here is what I have said in the past which is perfectly irrefutable.

11. I’m all ears

"No he can't move the rings. What happened in the movie is : Rocket's Pod supplied force in the form of Thrust that was then transferred to Thor through the tension in a metal cable less than 4 inches in diameter. Thor was anchored in place by using his legs to push on the structure of the rings with just the surface area of his two feet. Eventually when yelling for more power, the Pod supplied enough Thrust to add enough shear force on the ice holding the rings in place to break the ice. Then the Rings moved on their own as they were trying to do.

12. Bold of you to assume they were moving on their own

Rocket: "These rings are gigantic, you're going to need something a lot bigger to yank them loose"

Yank them loose directly implies they're stuck in place. Which they ARE because of the ice that we see several times.

13. So what you are saying is that a small amount of ice is able to completely stop a mechanism that has enough power to move gigantic metal rings dense and heavy enough to have their own gravity? You need a logic check there. If the rings were truly able to move on their own, then no amount of ice would be stopping it. The forge clearly lost all power.

Also please watch the scene again. When Thor is stopped by the structure of the rings at the edge, when he is still, the camera cuts to the ice and we can actually see that the ice cracks a little and the mechanism in the middle that joins the two rings moves a little bit underneath the ice before stopping again, YET the Rings themselves don't move at all. So if Thor is responsible for moving the rings then how did he make the mechanism in the center move without the rings which he is applying force to move?

14. Because the rings are connected to the gear? How else?

The answer is that is impossible. It is impossible for Thor to apply force on the ring and move the mechanism in the middle WITHOUT ALSO moving the ring itself!

15. The rings were obviously moving as the ice broke. Just because you did not notice it it does not mean it happened. If the rings did not move at all, then how would the ice have broken?

Therefore, the rings ARE stuck because of the ice as Rocket implied and as we see, AND they are capable of moving on their own when the ice isn't there AND we know that the ring mechanism is actively trying to move because we see it move underneath the ice and then stop again when it encounters too much resistance from the ice still there. Furthermore, this MUST mean that the mechanism is applying an unknown force that the ice is stopping, and so what happens is the added force from Rocket's Pod's thrust propagated through Thor is enough to break the ice.

Ring Mechanism Force + Rocket's Pod's Thrust => Force required to break the Ice

Ring Mechanism Force < Force Required to break the Ice

We have no idea and no way to accurately quantify the output force of the mechanism unfortunately.

https://youtu.be/XhHLAqd9Qrg"

Therefore the only reference for the amount of force supplied by Rocket's Pod is the pods previous showings which are pitiful and all well below 1000 tons of Thrust force.

17. So basically, your whole point rides on the “fact” that the gear that presumably moves the rings were able to move rings that were able to move city sized rings heavy enough to have their own gravitational pull were affected by 300 tons of ice? Really? That does not make sense.

Ah yes well you see it turns out metal actually conducts electricity and therefore the lightning need not penetrate the armor like Tony's laser would have to.

18. Is the Leviathan armor considered electrically conducting? The metal was clearly blowing the armor up and destroying it. The metal was being overloaded by the lightning.

Also a single Nuke quite literally took out the rest of the Chitauri fleet, mothership, and leviathans included despite it not blowing up right next to them, it took them out with a fraction of the nukes total energy in the same way people claim Superman only took a fraction of the nuke's energy despite being 6 feet away. So no, the lightning is not nuke plus level and that's just laughable.

19. The explosion was confirmed to be the result of a reaction inside the mothership. The nuke made an extremely small explosion that did nothing, then a reaction started. It was confirmed by the script.

Its the space stone, don't pretend to know how its energy would affect materials like that. The space stone being inside the tesseract says nothing about the structural durability of the tesseract. You're making an enormous assumption there.

20. It’s energy does affect the material as it turns it hot enough to melt through metal. Just the excess energy by itself from creating a portal was enough to implode the whole SHIELD facility.

Dude what? That canyon was ALREADY THERE LOL. You cannot be serious. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKQHjitSzZY , watch the clip dude. The Asgardian warriors are running ahead of the ice collapsing due to Thor's hit and they run straight into a giant canyon that was already there Lmao. We see how wide of a collapse is happening due to Thor's initial strike it is nowhere near as wide as the grand canyon let alone Earth XD. Script =/= onscreen, many things are exaggerated and shaking the "planet" shaking the "earth" doesn't mean the entire planet was shook, it could easily be a localized event being described, such as an earthquake shakes the earth yet not the whole earth only where it is happening.

21. I know that there was already a canyon. Thor made a whole new one. Look at a thread relating to this.

Ikaris gets one "feat" which is purely VFX that you then use to claim he is way stronger than he was shown throughout the ENTIRE movie? This makes 0 sense, the filmmakers clearly don't intend Ikaris to be that powerful , he is not that strong in any of his fights. He would have waffle stomped every deviant at once with that power, yet he didn't. It is called an outlier and just a cool looking visual effect.

22. Just because it is an outlier, it does not discount it as a feat. You guys make a big deal of every time DCEU Superman makes a shockwave, but when Ikaris gets one, it is “purely VFX”?

The snap exerting that much energy doesn't tell us what percentage of the energy actually affected Thanos. All we know is that Thanos seemed to be burned from it. That's it. Any speculation on how much energy Thanos took is just that - speculation. You're assuming that Thanos took it all, when that doesn't make any sense as Thanos has never been shown to take all the energy being used by the stones before, in fact it is quite clear in previous instances of him using the gauntlet that he does not take the majority of the energy being exerted when he uses it. So not only is your assumption an assumption with no evidence, it is an assumption with counter evidence.

23. I missed this one the first time around. Anyway, all the energy that comes off the Stones obviously hits the user as even when the Stones are dormant, the user takes all the energy coming off of them, so Thanos indeed did not take an unknown amount of energy.

DEBUNKS DEBUNKED

Both sides in this thread are annoying.

The nuke made an extremely small explosion that did nothing, then a reaction started. It was confirmed by the script.

Goldefecan fecal lieing again.

Nuke made a extremely small explosion that did nothing= LIE

CLEARLY a low yield nuke in deep space busted open chitati metal

A weakened supernan wasnt busted up by a higher yield nuke

MCU wankers are the reason I prefer DCEU.

What is going on here

watch mcu wankers cry salt with this.

this cap marvel died from a stone statue falling on her . she also was dazed by a minor hit

superman would NO SELL IT(both)

Nuclear reactors aren't that hot so I don't know why they put that in the script. It should be near the temperature of the kryptonian metal.

@organic: I was waiting for this. LOL. That is a different CM. Did you watch the movie?

@goldeneagle:

Critical reading skills elude mcu wankers.

this cap marvel

Look up what this means dullard

@organic: That is Monica you “dullard”

@crunch5481:

So would it be reasoneble to infer stepp casual held a mother box heated to /around 3.5 million k?

Also doesnt it prove sup heat vision is hotter because he sliced through stepp?

@organic: Eh the inside is hotter than the outside so I wouldn’t say that

@crunch5481:

Ok

Ty

Bump. I saw marble level Thor.

You need to be fair man, how is he gonna make a counter argument if you dont quote him.

@rjr: Oh shit. I thought I did. No Wonder it is taking a long time. Thanks for pointing it out. I was on my phone. LOL

@crunch5481:

This point is based on a complete misunderstanding of material science, Neutron star physics, and simply logic.

1. This is gonna be fun.

First of all, Neutron Star material can't "withstand" those parameters you list. That is just how the material exists. The center of a Neutron star is under extreme conditions, yes, which causes the matter to become super-dense and become a Quark-plasma.

2. Where are you getting “quark plasma” from? It is unknown what is at the center , so it could very well be solid.

Uru is obviously not in a quark-plasma state, it is solid cool matter. To make this easier to understand: Stars work through their gravity. The immense gravity of a star causes the hydrogren molecules to fuse together into helium, and then the helium is also caused to fuse again, and so on. This process fuses hydrogen atoms together to make helium which fuses together again to make the next element and then so on, eventually Iron is created from the fusion process. At the center of our Sun right now exists some amount of the element Iron. Now, does this mean a hammer made of Iron can withstand the heat and force at the center of the star? NO. Obviously not. By your logic which you are trying to apply to Uru this obviously false statement about the Iron Hammer would be true. But it is demonstrably false. Therefore this point falls apart completely.

3. This whole chunk is based off of the assumption that the centers of neutron stars are plasma.

Not only this, but we've seen time and time again that the Uru Mjolnir doesn't weigh much. Thor puts it on a coffee table, and hangs it on a coat rack, yet neither are broken. Yet if you took a table spoon of matter from the center of neutron star it would be so dense that it would dig itself a hole into the Earth.

4. I would assume that is what one of the enchantments are for. I don’t know what the process is of making the Uru pre forging, but they were clearly already in set shapes and amounts. What matters is that there is an in universe definition of Uru as metal from the core of a neutron Star. That is irrefutable.

Rocket Racoon and Groot both are capable of being transported using the Bifrost as seen in Infinity War, does this mean they are capable of surviving the insane acceleration forces that would be involved with going faster than light by conventional means? The answer is no. Loki is also present with Thor when Hela knocks both of them out of the Bifrost. Loki also tanks the bifrost shards while going just as fast as Thor did, does Loki now have durability to withstand MFTL crystals to his skin? The answer is no obviously not. This would make no sense for Loki whom is obviously not that durable, the man was put down by the Hulk with ease, with slams that didn't even break through the floor they were standing on, yet with your logic Loki can tank MFTL bifrost crystals. Clearly this is not the case, and this is inapplicable feat.

5. Fair points. I will fix the crystal part.

You know what else survived going through the portal in Thor ragnarok? Literally all that junk that was in the junkyard and falling from the wormhole and not completely torn to shreds and atomized as something would be if it approached a collapsing neutron star, this is yet again an inapplicable feat as we have proof it does not act the way you claim.

6. So what if that junk falls through? That is a feat for whatever metal that is. Those are all spaceship parts. Only an indication of how strong MCU alien metal truly is.

Flying through and destroying missiles capable of great destruction when used as designed does not mean you are capable of withstanding that same great destruction as no missile is designed to be flown through and destroyed mid-flight before it hits its target. Nuclear ICBMs are able to be shot down before hitting their target WITHOUT causing the nuke to explode in a NUCLEAR detonation. So not only is their precedent to explain that it need not explode with it's full potential, but we also visually see the explosions are simply not that big when Captain Marvel destroys the missiles in mid-air. And no the fireballs aren't actually continuing to expand to the size they would've if used correctly. As we see in your provided gif, there is no greater change in size as she is shown flying out of it. They also are definitely not Nuclear explosions. Nuclear Explosions don't look like those missiles did when they exploded.

7. Fair point. I will edit that.

Very convenient of you to leave out the gif of Kurse being sucked in by the grenade.

8. The stupid gif size limit means my gifs can only have like 30 frames.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFNLQ3kgrEk the grenade goes off at 2:31. The grenade attacking Kurse is first different in size of influence, compare the fact that it barely goes beyond his body to any of the other three black hole grenade uses, then compare the color of the grenade. Why is this grenade so much different than the others? If this grenade has a different color and size of influence then is it logical to assume that it would have the exact same forces involved? No it would not be. There exists clear and obvious differences, but we don't know why.

9. There is no difference. The sphere is the same size, and the orange - yellow energy is from Kurse being ripped apart. That is the color of their “Kursed” spell.

If Thor was not KO'd then why did he fall into water as though he was? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6CR-Gp

10. How should he have fallen? He could not fly away. He clearly moves his arm a good amount of time after he enters the water. Also, Mjolnir did not come to him because it was probably launched miles away, and Thor would have probably been knocked down from one of the thousands of debris. Also, that explosion is definitely nuke level. Do you think any non nuke can do that?

Ah the rings feat, must I debunk this again? Here is what I have said in the past which is perfectly irrefutable.

11. I’m all ears

"No he can't move the rings. What happened in the movie is : Rocket's Pod supplied force in the form of Thrust that was then transferred to Thor through the tension in a metal cable less than 4 inches in diameter. Thor was anchored in place by using his legs to push on the structure of the rings with just the surface area of his two feet. Eventually when yelling for more power, the Pod supplied enough Thrust to add enough shear force on the ice holding the rings in place to break the ice. Then the Rings moved on their own as they were trying to do.

12. Bold of you to assume they were moving on their own

Rocket: "These rings are gigantic, you're going to need something a lot bigger to yank them loose"

Yank them loose directly implies they're stuck in place. Which they ARE because of the ice that we see several times.

13. So what you are saying is that a small amount of ice is able to completely stop a mechanism that has enough power to move gigantic metal rings dense and heavy enough to have their own gravity? You need a logic check there. If the rings were truly able to move on their own, then no amount of ice would be stopping it. The forge clearly lost all power.

Also please watch the scene again. When Thor is stopped by the structure of the rings at the edge, when he is still, the camera cuts to the ice and we can actually see that the ice cracks a little and the mechanism in the middle that joins the two rings moves a little bit underneath the ice before stopping again, YET the Rings themselves don't move at all. So if Thor is responsible for moving the rings then how did he make the mechanism in the center move without the rings which he is applying force to move?

14. Because the rings are connected to the gear? How else?

The answer is that is impossible. It is impossible for Thor to apply force on the ring and move the mechanism in the middle WITHOUT ALSO moving the ring itself!

15. The rings were obviously moving as the ice broke. Just because you did not notice it it does not mean it happened. If the rings did not move at all, then how would the ice have broken?

Therefore, the rings ARE stuck because of the ice as Rocket implied and as we see, AND they are capable of moving on their own when the ice isn't there AND we know that the ring mechanism is actively trying to move because we see it move underneath the ice and then stop again when it encounters too much resistance from the ice still there. Furthermore, this MUST mean that the mechanism is applying an unknown force that the ice is stopping, and so what happens is the added force from Rocket's Pod's thrust propagated through Thor is enough to break the ice.

Ring Mechanism Force + Rocket's Pod's Thrust => Force required to break the Ice

Ring Mechanism Force < Force Required to break the Ice

We have no idea and no way to accurately quantify the output force of the mechanism unfortunately.

https://youtu.be/XhHLAqd9Qrg"

Therefore the only reference for the amount of force supplied by Rocket's Pod is the pods previous showings which are pitiful and all well below 1000 tons of Thrust force.

17. So basically, your whole point rides on the “fact” that the gear that presumably moves the rings were able to move rings that were able to move city sized rings heavy enough to have their own gravitational pull were affected by 300 tons of ice? Really? That does not make sense.

Ah yes well you see it turns out metal actually conducts electricity and therefore the lightning need not penetrate the armor like Tony's laser would have to.

18. Is the Leviathan armor considered electrically conducting? The metal was clearly blowing the armor up and destroying it. The metal was being overloaded by the lightning.

Also a single Nuke quite literally took out the rest of the Chitauri fleet, mothership, and leviathans included despite it not blowing up right next to them, it took them out with a fraction of the nukes total energy in the same way people claim Superman only took a fraction of the nuke's energy despite being 6 feet away. So no, the lightning is not nuke plus level and that's just laughable.

19. The explosion was confirmed to be the result of a reaction inside the mothership. The nuke made an extremely small explosion that did nothing, then a reaction started. It was confirmed by the script.

Its the space stone, don't pretend to know how its energy would affect materials like that. The space stone being inside the tesseract says nothing about the structural durability of the tesseract. You're making an enormous assumption there.

20. It’s energy does affect the material as it turns it hot enough to melt through metal. Just the excess energy by itself from creating a portal was enough to implode the whole SHIELD facility.

Dude what? That canyon was ALREADY THERE LOL. You cannot be serious. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKQHjitSzZY , watch the clip dude. The Asgardian warriors are running ahead of the ice collapsing due to Thor's hit and they run straight into a giant canyon that was already there Lmao. We see how wide of a collapse is happening due to Thor's initial strike it is nowhere near as wide as the grand canyon let alone Earth XD. Script =/= onscreen, many things are exaggerated and shaking the "planet" shaking the "earth" doesn't mean the entire planet was shook, it could easily be a localized event being described, such as an earthquake shakes the earth yet not the whole earth only where it is happening.

21. I know that there was already a canyon. Thor made a whole new one. Look at a thread relating to this.

Ikaris gets one "feat" which is purely VFX that you then use to claim he is way stronger than he was shown throughout the ENTIRE movie? This makes 0 sense, the filmmakers clearly don't intend Ikaris to be that powerful , he is not that strong in any of his fights. He would have waffle stomped every deviant at once with that power, yet he didn't. It is called an outlier and just a cool looking visual effect.

22. Just because it is an outlier, it does not discount it as a feat. You guys make a big deal of every time DCEU Superman makes a shockwave, but when Ikaris gets one, it is “purely VFX”?

The snap exerting that much energy doesn't tell us what percentage of the energy actually affected Thanos. All we know is that Thanos seemed to be burned from it. That's it. Any speculation on how much energy Thanos took is just that - speculation. You're assuming that Thanos took it all, when that doesn't make any sense as Thanos has never been shown to take all the energy being used by the stones before, in fact it is quite clear in previous instances of him using the gauntlet that he does not take the majority of the energy being exerted when he uses it. So not only is your assumption an assumption with no evidence, it is an assumption with counter evidence.

23. I missed this one the first time around. Anyway, all the energy that comes off the Stones obviously hits the user as even when the Stones are dormant, the user takes all the energy coming off of them, so Thanos indeed did not take an unknown amount of energy.

DEBUNKS DEBUNKED

@russell_faraday

im not reading any post from this thread

@russell_faraday: Do you not care that that proves you are biased and not open to changing your opinion?

No it proves that I value not wasting my time on someone who wont say hes wrong when hes clearly wrong. So just like back when I ignored Bunny for a year after he was saying spiderman hits harder than superman and has better strength feats than thor.. You and everything you post....is ignored.