MCU: Fat Thor is actually Prime Thor

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#51 Posted by Namebk (1802 posts) - - Show Bio

@darthvaderrocks: I thought he was talking about when Mjolnir hit Thanos in the back to save Thor and thought he dropped his sword there.

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#52 Posted by Mike_Fowler (5389 posts) - - Show Bio

@mattyboi: I’ll need to look for the exact quote again, but, least from how I saw it when Tony says it, Thor COULD use the gauntlet, but he wasn’t in any condition to do it mentally. Least that’s how I saw it

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#53 Edited by nn5 (1077 posts) - - Show Bio

This statement doesn't look justified when compared to on-screen feats but it's hard to fully ignore it. At least that means Thor wasn't considerably weakened, hard to belive he was really stronger than IW though.

Also the question wasn't the best, Russos may actually thought it's about Thor getting to normal mental state and not about power level.

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#54 Posted by chuggachugga170 (561 posts) - - Show Bio

^

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#55 Posted by Beyond_Dreams (198 posts) - - Show Bio

He wasn't fat at the final battle though, just bulky.

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#56 Posted by ShauryaIsTheOne (217 posts) - - Show Bio
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#57 Posted by Lan_Fan (18546 posts) - - Show Bio

Lmao

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#58 Edited by FinalKingThanos (3211 posts) - - Show Bio

@nn5:

the question literally asked if he was weaker in the final battle specifically in that manner and this was the answer it seems pretty clear, add that to the statements we know that Thor was going to be muscular again but Hemsworth asked to stay fat and there’s nothing to debate here.

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#59 Edited by LightingJack (1712 posts) - - Show Bio

bal

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#60 Edited by Lan_Fan (18546 posts) - - Show Bio

On serious note, I don't think he was weaker than his IW self in terms of physical, he was however, dumber than ever, with literally 0 fighting IQ. "Stronger than ever" statement from author post release means nothing because we don't even know how much this amps Thor, he didn't even do anything impressive or above his pay grade to begin with. So very vague....

Neither Thor nor Hulk ever really had impressive quantifiable feats that are not vague, which is why MCU is such a weak verse. They make Thor and Hulk feeder that the big guys will defeat/stomp to make them look impressive, but these characters power level have never been established clearly. Hulk destroyed glacier, but the scene was deleted, he stopped a giant leviathan with his punch, but then it fell onto a car and did absolutely nothing. Thor's physical could look like street level at times, then suddenly he has vague feats like FULL FORCE OF A STAR that don't really make sense or quantifiable in any way. His gladiator fight with Hulk was actually the first time I realized he wasn't just a strong street level in terms of physical.

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#61 Posted by MainJP (7545 posts) - - Show Bio

I mean, this is obvious, but people are big Thor fans and didn't want to admit it.

Were you saying this before or are you only saying this after the fact?

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#62 Posted by kgb725 (19987 posts) - - Show Bio

@lan_fan said:

On serious note, I don't think he was weaker than his IW self in terms of physical, he was however, dumber than ever, with literally 0 fighting IQ. "Stronger than ever" statement from author post release means nothing because we don't even know how much this amps Thor, he didn't even do anything impressive or above his pay grade to begin with. So very vague....

Neither Thor nor Hulk ever really had impressive quantifiable feats that are not vague, which is why MCU is such a weak verse. They make Thor and Hulk feeder that the big guys will defeat/stomp to make them look impressive, but these characters power level have never been established clearly. Hulk destroyed glacier, but the scene was deleted, he stopped a giant leviathan with his punch, but then it fell onto a car and did absolutely nothing. Thor's physical could look like street level at times, then suddenly he has vague feats like FULL FORCE OF A STAR that don't really make sense or quantifiable in any way. His gladiator fight with Hulk was actually the first time I realized he wasn't just a strong street level in terms of physical.

Writers dont care about feats . Full force of a star is self explanatory.

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#63 Edited by Lan_Fan (18546 posts) - - Show Bio

@kgb725: They do... Or at least they should. It's a superhero film, people are gonna care about how "super" these people are. No, full force of a star feat doesn't really make sense in any way. Even if you think it's legit, do you really have the impression of star level physicality with Thor in ANY of his fight scene? If they don't care about how powerful a neutron star actually is, then why should I care? It's clearly bs, I can deal with this type of thing in fiction, but I have standards.

If they don't bother to at least have consistency with their physics and feats, then I don't bother rating their character at the level of Zack Snyder's characters, who are at least TRYING to show consistency and physics.

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#64 Posted by TheCapstrikes (398 posts) - - Show Bio

Wow. The MCU sucks lol if only DC had their stuff together *sighs*

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#65 Posted by RBT (30386 posts) - - Show Bio

Lmao. I mean I never bought that Thor was weaker in Endgame, but damn this will hurt some debaters bad.

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#66 Posted by Tony501 (714 posts) - - Show Bio

I kind of had the sense of it in endgame but I wasn’t sure.

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#67 Posted by war of light_2814 (2911 posts) - - Show Bio

Don't be sad Thor fans, you still have a lot of excuses when Thor got his ass kick.

For example, we all know he's the god of holding back.

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#68 Posted by Greysentinel365 (6561 posts) - - Show Bio

Figured. In raw physicals Thor was always slightly weaker than the Hulk and his fight with Thanos in Endgame showed that he was having a similar success rate as the Hulk.

Makes perfect sense really.

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#69 Posted by SupremeGeneration (12931 posts) - - Show Bio

Why do people think he was weakened in the first place? I literally never saw prime/IW Thor vs Thanos going any other way than what was seen.

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#70 Posted by SupremeGeneration (12931 posts) - - Show Bio

"He one got one-shot by a headbutt" tf is this. Like he didn't take an absolute throttling moments before.

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#71 Posted by FinalKingThanos (3211 posts) - - Show Bio

Figured. In raw physicals Thor was always slightly weaker than the Hulk and his fight with Thanos in Endgame showed that he was having a similar success rate as the Hulk.

Makes perfect sense really.

Absolutely spot on, his advantages over Hulk are his raw lighting powers and his new weaponry being able to chop people up but in a straight fight against Thanos can tank lightning all day and has his own gear and superior skill and physicals this was always the case.

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#72 Posted by Namebk (1802 posts) - - Show Bio

@supremegeneration: He took a couple of hits then got Ko'd. He got back up then got ko'd again by a headbutt. That is far lower than his showing against Hulk in the arena.

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#73 Posted by FinalKingThanos (3211 posts) - - Show Bio

@namebk:

@namebk said:

@supremegeneration: He took a couple of hits then got Ko'd. He got back up then got ko'd again by a headbutt. That is far lower than his showing against Hulk in the arena.

Thanos seems to be close to two tiers/levels above Thor physically and one above the Hulk only Carol appears to be on that level out of any heroes.

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#74 Edited by Mr_Shazam0920 (6020 posts) - - Show Bio

@lan_fan:

I would have thought his fight with the Frost Giants in Thor 1 or his fight against Malekith would tell you he wasn’t just a strong street leveler.

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#75 Posted by kalkent (3763 posts) - - Show Bio

Where the hell is xzone? Lmao.

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#76 Posted by Lan_Fan (18546 posts) - - Show Bio

@lan_fan:

I would have thought his fight with the Frost Giants in Thor 1 or his fight against Malekith would tell you he wasn’t just a strong street leveler.

Why?

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#77 Posted by Richard96 (5929 posts) - - Show Bio

This makes no sense.

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#78 Edited by Namebk (1802 posts) - - Show Bio

@finalkingthanos: Hulk knocked Thor like 100 feet that destroyed Alien metal and was slamming Thor into the ground that was breaking up the concrete and he wasn't even close to being ko'd. Thor was getting hurt by Thanos just throwing him into debris that didn't even fully break and of course he was ko'd by a single headbutt.

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#79 Posted by Mr_Shazam0920 (6020 posts) - - Show Bio

@kalkent:

Lmao why are you taking so much enjoyment out of this ?

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#80 Posted by Mr_Shazam0920 (6020 posts) - - Show Bio

@lan_fan:

Thor’s fight VS Malekith there were some “sHoCKwAvEs” and some pretty crazy striking power.

Same with Thor’s original battle in Thor 1 VS Frost Giants.

Street level to me is Captain America and Bucky. I don’t see how you can watch those fights and think they would be on the same level.

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#81 Posted by Lan_Fan (18546 posts) - - Show Bio
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#82 Posted by Mr_Shazam0920 (6020 posts) - - Show Bio

@lan_fan:

Yes but Mjolnir is an extension of Thor’s power.

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#83 Posted by FinalKingThanos (3211 posts) - - Show Bio

@namebk said:

@finalkingthanos: Hulk knocked Thor like 100 feet that dented Alien metal and was slamming Thor into the ground that was breaking up the concrete and he wasn't even close to being ko'd. Thor was getting hurt by Thanos just throwing him into rocks that didn't even fully break and of course he was ko'd by a single headbutt.

You cant base this all on visual style only mate Jesus... that would mean mcu Cap kicks harder than Thanos and Superman lol.

The Russos prefer a grounded gritty fight style it doesn’t mean Thors old feats etc don’t transfer over it just means Thanos is capable of the same or better.

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#84 Posted by Lan_Fan (18546 posts) - - Show Bio

@mr_shazam0920: Not like that. Thor hits harder with Mjolnir than his regular non-lightning punches. Yes or no?

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#85 Posted by incursion2 (2571 posts) - - Show Bio

I really dont see how this makes thor weaker. He really didn't have any anti feats in EG he just had run ins with a serious Thanos and got beat by him is all, his past feats from IW still apply.

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#86 Edited by Namebk (1802 posts) - - Show Bio

@finalkingthanos: Like I said he was hurt by being thrown into debris that didn't completely break compared to the alien metal. If he destroyed alien metal this means that he has hit with more force. How is being thrown in debris a superior feat? I don't believe that a single headbutt from Thanos is superior to what Hulk did to Thor.

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#88 Posted by Gaoron (10082 posts) - - Show Bio

If true, that's really wierd. Fat Thor was really underwhelming, apart from agility/speed and skill downgrade, his durability seemed lower aswell but I guess Thanos is just that strong(?). He didn't use his lightning cloak either.

I feel like this is one of those cases when we should ignore creators intent and just go by feats. Maybe they said Fat Thor is at his strongest because of dual wielding mjolnir and SB, but skill, speed and lighting cloak seems more useful than mjolnir to me so Imma just keep using IW Thor as his prime.

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#89 Posted by FinalKingThanos (3211 posts) - - Show Bio

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@finalkingthanos: Like I said he was hurt by being thrown into debris that didn't completely break compared to the alien metal. If he destroyed alien metal this means that he has hit with more force. How is being thrown in debris a superior feat? I don't believe that a single headbutt from Thanos is superior to what Hulk did to Thor.

That’s not what they are showing you though they are showing that Thanos ragdolling him is fucking him up not rocks itself same with good tthough buildings etc it’s nothing tow the force behind it.

I understand that but Thor was already beaten to hell and KOd moments earlier, Thanos one shot both Iron Man and Worthy Cap in that very same scene he headbutts Thor.

Remember Hulk was pounding on Thanos and it done nothing yet one punch from Thanos had hulk shocked and hurt and holding his jaw.

Thanos is and was always intended to be able to beat any of these guys easily in physical combat they made it pretty clear surprise attacks team work and hax were the things to use against him.

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#90 Posted by FinalKingThanos (3211 posts) - - Show Bio

@namebk: It won’t let me edit some typos above my bad ^

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#91 Posted by FinalKingThanos (3211 posts) - - Show Bio

@incursion2: that’s because you are using common sense and understand how this works lol

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#92 Edited by Namebk (1802 posts) - - Show Bio

@finalkingthanos: Thor was stunned as soon as he was thrown into the rocks before Thanos even landed a punch which allowed Thanos to combo him. Thanos landed two punches on Thor then threw him into another rock and Thor was almost ko'd already at this point.

I wasn't debating any of them beating him in physical combat just Thor being in his prime as far as his durability goes.

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#93 Edited by FinalKingThanos (3211 posts) - - Show Bio

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@finalkingthanos: Thor was stunned as soon as he was thrown into the rocks before Thanos even landed a punch which allowed Thanos to combo him. Thanos landed two punches on Thor then threw him into another rock and Thor was almost ko'd already at this point.

I wasn't debating any of them beating him in physical combat just Thor being in his prime.

We already see Thanos stomp Thor into a “rock” soon as the fight starts then the fight happens of screen for a while, then they both get disarmed and Thanos throws Thor into a rock and punches him instantly that’s what stuns him not the first throw.

Prime Thor doesn’t exist except with fans, he has been the same physically and mostly mentality from Thor 1 to EG with a power boost in Ragnarok and a new weapon during IW.

Sure the Russos don’t do high tier MOS style fights but the intention and the films action and themes still speak for itself here.

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@finalkingthanos: Your last warning was your last warning. Since at least you are not being insulting this time I'm going to make it a temp ban. After that, there are no more chances.

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#95 Edited by Namebk (1802 posts) - - Show Bio

@finalkingthanos:

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The fight starts as soon as Thor is disarmed and thrown into the rocks. Thanos hasn't even punched him yet.

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#96 Posted by ourmanuel (13749 posts) - - Show Bio

@lan_fan: you still snitching on people?

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#97 Posted by kgb725 (19987 posts) - - Show Bio

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@kgb725: They do... Or at least they should. It's a superhero film, people are gonna care about how "super" these people are. No, full force of a star feat doesn't really make sense in any way. Even if you think it's legit, do you really have the impression of star level physicality with Thor in ANY of his fight scene? If they don't care about how powerful a neutron star actually is, then why should I care? It's clearly bs, I can deal with this type of thing in fiction, but I have standards.

If they don't bother to at least have consistency with their physics and feats, then I don't bother rating their character at the level of Zack Snyder's characters, who are at least TRYING to show consistency and physics.

Thor showed the physicals to handle the heat of a star that's it hes not going to blow it up. Thor has been shown to be impervious to multiple explosions and fire thrown at him before the star. Thor destroyed a city with literally 1 hit that's the best striking feat in mcu or dceu, Strange and Thanos were literally warping reality around each other , hulk manhandled thor multiple times , etc. They arent weak but the writers dont sit there and think "superman had a mini montage of feats doing random stuff let me throw a montage just for the imagery".

Only superman is consistent. People still want to see if Wonder woman god mode even exists

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#98 Posted by Mister_Surreal (12174 posts) - - Show Bio

Damn. It must suck to be a Thor wanker.

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#99 Edited by Lan_Fan (18546 posts) - - Show Bio

@kgb725: I've seen those feats before, I've seen them debated as well. Do you expect me to sit here and say "woah man, you're right, I've been blind this whole time!". You know I've watched all of those movies, right?

Thor only helped charging Iron Man's heat seal, Strange never transmuted anyone, Thanos can't do any of that without his IG. Thor tanked a heat of the star while a dwarf, a raccoon and a literal guy made of wood just standing there watching without getting damaged. He took a random star based energy beam, that's it to me. Hulk beating Thor suffers from the same problem that I stated in my original post.

And Thor didn't only tank the heat of a neutron star, if you want to swallow their words without processing anything, he tanked FULL FORCE of a star. I heard that makes him a 4 septillion tonner or something.

Only superman is consistent. People still want to see if Wonder woman god mode even exists

Well, the director for her solo movie did that, not Zack Snyder. That's after Zack has established her power in BvS.