Wolverine, Iron Fist, Daredevil and Shang-Chi should probably be in high-master. Probably Taskmaster, Gamora and Mantis as well but I'm not as knowledgeable on them.
If this were DC, Grandmaster would be somebody like Sensei, but I can't think of an equivalent in Marvel.
Put Daredevil in Tier 2, and Cap in tier 3. I can see Wade being in tier 3 as well, since he's fought Cap multiple times. Punisher could go in Tier 4, Bullseye probably could as well, although I haven't read all of his showings
Wolverine, Iron Fist, Daredevil and Shang-Chi should probably be in high-master. Probably Taskmaster, Gamora and Mantis as well but I'm not as knowledgeable on them.
If this were DC, Grandmaster would be somebody like Sensei, but I can't think of an equivalent in Marvel.
Wolverine, Iron Fist, Daredevil and Shang-Chi should probably be in high-master. Probably Taskmaster, Gamora and Mantis as well but I'm not as knowledgeable on them.
If this were DC, Grandmaster would be somebody like Sensei, but I can't think of an equivalent in Marvel.
Wolverine, Iron Fist, Daredevil and Shang-Chi should probably be in high-master. Probably Taskmaster, Gamora and Mantis as well but I'm not as knowledgeable on them.
If this were DC, Grandmaster would be somebody like Sensei, but I can't think of an equivalent in Marvel.
What about Stick?
Stick is one of those characters that has very good statements regarding skills but too few feats to properly rank him. Master Izo, Lei Kung, Lord Ogun are examples as well.
Wolverine, Iron Fist, Daredevil and Shang-Chi should probably be in high-master. Probably Taskmaster, Gamora and Mantis as well but I'm not as knowledgeable on them.
If this were DC, Grandmaster would be somebody like Sensei, but I can't think of an equivalent in Marvel.
What about Stick?
Stick is one of those characters that has very good statements regarding skills but too few feats to properly rank him. Master Izo, Lei Kung, Lord Ogun are examples as well.
I've seen scans of Stick fighting Venom but I don't know where they're from. Just throwing it out there.
@rogueshadow: It was an alternate reality Venom that killed the Spider-Man of his universe. It's from Al Ewing's Contest of Champions series.
This is probably a little more convoluted than it should be. I'd say Marvel's class 1-7 rankings with an additional class 8 rank would work better. And I'm inherently opposed to people like Gamora/Moondragon/Mantis etc. being in such lists, their true skill feats against fighters than know what they're doing are either few or nonexistent.
@rogueshadow: It was an alternate reality Venom that killed the Spider-Man of his universe. It's from Al Ewing's Contest of Champions series.
This is probably a little more convoluted than it should be. I'd say Marvel's class 1-7 rankings with an additional class 8 rank would work better. And I'm inherently opposed to people like Gamora/Moondragon/Mantis etc. being in such lists, their true skill feats against fighters than know what they're doing are either few or nonexistent.
Those tiers always seemed so generic, they never seemed to really mean anything to me. You could have characters that were world's apart in skill in one level with no real distinction between them provided.
@rogueshadow: They have provided definitions for each rank, which I find more easy to grasp and quantify opposed to the rankings of this thread. Basically, class 4 is that of an expert combatant, 5 for masters of a single martial art, 6 for those that have mastered multiple disciplines, and 7 for any character that is a master of virtually all forms of combat.
The problem lies in the fact that they never ranked their characters properly, and occasionally they went against their own definitions. Having T'Challa and Daredevil at 5 whereas Black Widow, Bullseye or Crossbones are a 6 is nonsensical.
@morpheus_: I was mainly referring to the lack of any sub-divisions. "Mastered multiple disciplines" encompasses so many fighters who could have completely different levels of skill. You could put somebody like Brenda Swanson in 6 right alongisde Matt Murdock or Davos. But they are worlds apart. There's no sense of gradation, I don't feel like you can draw much meaning from them, even if they were applied correctly.
@king-ragnar: Yeah I don't take these seriously. They released another one about 9 years ago and it was very different, they're probably written by some random intern or something.
@rogueshadow: Honestly, you could apply high/mid/low subcategories within the same tier, if you feel characters are good enough to be placed there but one of them is de facto (or narrowly) superior to the other. It still requires refinement per class definition, of course.
@diarrhearegatta: I am on my phone I don’t have scans, but she beat Thor, vision, And scarlet witch in the same battle with nerve strikes (and she doesn’t have super strength)
She also stomped Black Panther And didn’t get tagged a single time in their fight.
Wolverine is wanked. He’s not a high master. If this was the 80’s then yes. But besides that I find it hard to even have him be Low-Master. Moon Knight beat the shit out of Taskmaster once.
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