Hyperion and Gladiator should be up there in the top tier
Current She Hulk should also probably be there but I'm not really familiar with her
Current Thing might also be above base Thor strength-wise but I'm unsure
Classic Surfer was pretty weak strength-wise but he seemed to grow in strength over the years (his strength also depends on whether he amps himself with the power cosmic or not)
Hyperion and Gladiator should be up there in the top tier
Current She Hulk should also probably be there but I'm not really familiar with her
Current Thing might also be above base Thor strength-wise but I'm unsure
Classic Surfer was pretty weak strength-wise but he seemed to grow in strength over the years (his strength also depends on whether he amps himself with the power cosmic or not)
Hyperion, Surfer and Gladiator should be high tiers. Juggernaut should be bumped down to mid tier imo
Makes no sense considering Hyperion and Glad are pretty trash jobbers. Juggs is, sure, but he's done stuff the pair haven't.
Thing and Wonder Non-Binary being below those two is really off. REALLY off. Why is Surfer so low? He's pretty beefy in terms of stats not including energy projection or whatnot. I don't recall Sentry doing much of anything from a pure strength perspective as really impressive.
@the_hajduk: They didn't say they were stronger than Thor, just in the same tier.
Either way your list looks fine to me. I think Juggs stated once that him and Thor are equal in terms of strength.
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>silver surfer being a low tier, below colossus
Lol Stew exposed!
Wasn't sure the numbers were in order, just the tiers. Name me again what good physical strength feats Surfer has?
Beating Abom? Punching up 70's Thing? Throwing around Hulk? Even when he was nerfed in his early days he took Hulk's full wrath and was fine in overpowering him in tussles. He's not the GOAT but he's not this low lol
@the_hajduk: They didn't say they were stronger than Thor, just in the same tier.
Either way your list looks fine to me. I think Juggs stated once that him and Thor are equal in terms of strength.
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>silver surfer being a low tier, below colossus
Lol Stew exposed!
Wasn't sure the numbers were in order, just the tiers. Name me again what good physical strength feats Surfer has?
Beating Abom? Punching up 70's Thing? Throwing around Hulk? Even when he was nerfed in his early days he took Hulk's full wrath and was fine in overpowering him in tussles. He's not the GOAT but he's not this low lol
@professorrespect: Did he still have the power to amp his physicals with cosmic energy even after being trapped on Earth?
Either way I wasn't paying attention to the low tiers. Even without power cosmic I still think his physicals should be above someone like Colossus who's like, the middiest mid tier you can probably get. Though I know that time when Surfer was trapped on Dynamo City and got all his energy taken away he didn't seem to have any super strength at all.
While we're on the topic of how this this list works, which version of the characters are we talking about?
There are only like 2, maybe 3, versions of Hyperion worth mentioning. Gladitor should be top tier, his power levels fluctuate depending on how confident he is. A confident Gladitor can take out Hulk and has snapped a version of Hyperion's neck. Either way, they're all strong enough to lift a sky scrapper, in a way that it defies gravity and inertia in the process, without much issue.
@professorrespect: Did he still have the power to amp his physicals with cosmic energy even after being trapped on Earth?
Either way I wasn't paying attention to the low tiers. Even without power cosmic I still think his physicals should be above someone like Colossus who's like, the middiest mid tier you can probably get. Though I know that time when Surfer was trapped on Dynamo City and got all his energy taken away he didn't seem to have any super strength at all.
Don't recall, Surfer isn't low tier in strength through lol. The feats show for themselves.
While we're on the topic of how this this list works, which version of the characters are we talking about?
There are only like 2, maybe 3, versions of Hyperion worth mentioning. Gladitor should be top tier, his power levels fluctuate depending on how confident he is. A confident Gladitor can take out Hulk and has snapped a version of Hyperion's neck. Either way, they're all strong enough to lift a sky scrapper, defying gravity and interia in the process, without much issue.
Luke and Rhino shouldn't even be here. Sentry should be lower on his tier, if he should even be on his tier at all. Gladiator and Hyperion are too inconsistent. Surfer's position is atrocious. Current Shulk might be top tier tbh.
Literally everyone in mid tier belongs in high tier. Gladiator regularly overpowers and beats Thors, Wonder Man was many times shown and said to be in the same weight class as Thor, Hercules and Sentry, several Hyperions have feats that show them as peers or even superiors to Thor, Namor has traded blows evenly with pretty much everyone on the high tier portion of that list and so did Thing.
Literally everyone in mid tier belongs in high tier. Gladiator regularly overpowers and beats Thors, Wonder Man was many times shown and said to be in the same weight class as Thor, Hercules and Sentry, several Hyperions have feats that show them as peers or even superiors to Thor, Namor has traded blows evenly with pretty much everyone on the high tier portion of that list and so did Thing.
Hyperion, Surfer and Gladiator should be high tiers. Juggernaut should be bumped down to mid tier imo
Makes no sense considering Hyperion and Glad are pretty trash jobbers. Juggs is, sure, but he's done stuff the pair haven't.
Thing and Wonder Non-Binary being below those two is really off. REALLY off. Why is Surfer so low? He's pretty beefy in terms of stats not including energy projection or whatnot. I don't recall Sentry doing much of anything from a pure strength perspective as really impressive.
Luke Cage being above Rhino? What is this?
Gladiator actually beat Wonder Man pretty easily in The Mighty Thor #445.
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Wonder Man was saved by Eric Masterson Thor, who is able to defeat Gladiator, but only after using lightning and Mjolnir. Gladiator was completely beating him up in the beginning of their fight, which implied to me that he was physically stronger than Masterson Thor as well.
Luke Cage is far below any person here he needs to be in a different tier.
Luke Cage is above Rhino because Luke actually oneshotted Rhino. I know some people call this an outlier but I don't know why. Luke Cage has better feats than Rhino. He has had wars with Wonder Man and The Thing and he survived a nuclear bomb. He was also hit by WWHulk and didn't get knocked out. Luke Cage is not a 25 tonner.
Luke and Rhino shouldn't even be here. Sentry should be lower on his tier, if he should even be on his tier at all. Gladiator and Hyperion are too inconsistent. Surfer's position is atrocious. Current Shulk might be top tier tbh.
Like it or not, they've both been able to fight the heavyweights many many times and didn't get totally outclassed. Therefore they deserve a tier, but since they are clearly weaker than other heavyweights, they get the low tier.
Literally everyone in mid tier belongs in high tier. Gladiator regularly overpowers and beats Thors, Wonder Man was many times shown and said to be in the same weight class as Thor, Hercules and Sentry, several Hyperions have feats that show them as peers or even superiors to Thor, Namor has traded blows evenly with pretty much everyone on the high tier portion of that list and so did Thing.
Surfer, Thing, Wonderman, and Namor are all high tier.
We can't have every single character in high tier. They all have many fights with each other, but there is evidence pointing to some being stronger than others.
Hyperion, Surfer and Gladiator should be high tiers. Juggernaut should be bumped down to mid tier imo
Makes no sense considering Hyperion and Glad are pretty trash jobbers. Juggs is, sure, but he's done stuff the pair haven't.
Thing and Wonder Non-Binary being below those two is really off. REALLY off. Why is Surfer so low? He's pretty beefy in terms of stats not including energy projection or whatnot. I don't recall Sentry doing much of anything from a pure strength perspective as really impressive.
Luke Cage being above Rhino? What is this?
Gladiator actually beat Wonder Man pretty easily in The Mighty Thor #445.
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Wonder Man was saved by Eric Masterson Thor, who is able to defeat Gladiator, but only after using lightning and Mjolnir. Gladiator was completely beating him up in the beginning of their fight, which implied to me that he was physically stronger than Masterson Thor as well
That viewpoint lacks a lot of context. For one, Wonder Man around this time was semi-retired and didn't do crime-fighting anymore, making him a lot weaker and rusty in terms of combat, usually only getting involved when asked nicely by his friends or if it effected his Hollywood business. He wasn't the same man he'd be later on and it showed in a lot of his encounters, especially with forces like Champion whom he basically admitted he didn't even have the motivation to fight him properly. To scale Glad above a rusty and far below prime Eric is a hard sell.
For two, Gladiator is wildly inconsistent, going from this to stalemating with Colossus numerous times, even losing a few bouts. This is just the iceberg of his wild inconsistencies and why he can't really be put reliably at the top of mid, he's good at points but hopeless at others. To place a stick and say "this is where he stands" is wildly optimistic.
Juggernaut should be the very bottom of top tier or the very top of mid tier. He's really strong, but the things that make him so formidable are his invulnerability and unstoppable momentum. Surfer should be in top tier because he can amp his strength
@professorrespect: That sounds like it could be headcanon. Do you have proof that Wonder Man was weaker than normal in that comic? I'm pretty sure Gladiator is just more powerful than him.
And when was Gladiator beaten by Colossus? I am not against lowering Gladiator but I thought he was very powerful.
@professorrespect: That sounds like it could be headcanon. Do you have proof that Wonder Man was weaker than normal in that comic?
As shown, Wonder Man was retired from crimefighting and actively brings up that in fights: he wasn't training, and was rusty. You of all people would know the mechanics of a rusty fighter compared to one that never stops doing so.
I'm pretty sure Gladiator is just more powerful than him
By feats, not at all.
And when was Gladiator beaten by Colossus?
Him and Colossus had a battle back that ended in a double KO despite Glad having top confidence. Hell, he's been one shot by Sue and Gambit gave him major trouble lol. He's omega inconsistent.
I am not against lowering Gladiator but I thought he was very powerful
For his high ends? Sure, but he's rarely at that level.
@professorrespect: Pretty sure Gladiator was low confident when Sue one-shot him. They had tricked him into believing his attacks couldn’t hurt Reed (who was actually Captain America In disguise and he blocked the attacks with his shield)
@kevd4wg: @kevd4wg: I just figured he had no really impressive feats and he isn’t typically known for his strength.
All of the people on Top tier have infinite level lifting and striking feats. The mid tiers are very relevant to them and sometimes win, and are easily planetary+ in feats. The low tiers can still fight these guys occasionally but they don’t get wins and they don’t have impressive feats.
I just figured he had no really impressive feats and he isn’t typically known for his strength.
He isn't typically known for his strength sure, but seems like a misrepresentation considering he pretty frequently brawls with Thor and Hulk and generally looks worse than Thor, maybe better than Hulk in terms of raw strength. Simply saying that he has more energy based powers doesn't mean he's not a slouch in terms of strength.
I should add that Surfer has also punched out Beta Ray Bill in Godhunter: Beta Ray Bill #2, who is the physical equal of Thor. As for Hulk they've gotten into fisticuffs a few times over the years, never prolonged physical engagements, but generally they seem to be physical equals.
I should add that Surfer has also punched out Beta Ray Bill in Godhunter: Beta Ray Bill #2, who is the physical equal of Thor. As for Hulk they've gotten into fisticuffs a few times over the years, never prolonged physical engagements, but generally they seem to be physical equals.
I can move Silver Surfer up, but that would require moving someone else down. Do you really think Silver Surfer is stronger than the likes of Colossus, She-Hulk, or Namor?
@the_hajduk: Yes, he's far above Colossus and I'd say he's above Namor tho people who think Namor is the same level as Thor/Hulk may disagree. Normal She-Hulk isn't even in the same tier as him, current might be stronger.
@the_hajduk: Yes, he's far above Colossus and I'd say he's above Namor tho people who think Namor is the same level as Thor/Hulk may disagree. Normal She-Hulk isn't even in the same tier as him, current might be stronger.
Damn ok. I hate to do Namor dirty like this, but he hasn't been written very strong in modern times anyway. All his good feats are from the silver age.
I put Surfer right below Thing, unless you think he is also stronger than Thing (possible if Norrin no-sell's strikes from She-Hulk).
@the_hajduk: Thing actually has the best track record against Surfer compared to probably any other Marvel character. If I didn't include their showings against each other I'd say Surfer is stronger, but with those in mind it's hard to say Surfer is stronger.
Please respond with any critiques you may have, being as specific as possible where you think the character should place. Because moving anyone up requires moving somebody down.
@the_hajduk: I'd say Beta Ray Bill is exactly the same in strength as Thor
Would also probably put Nova below Namor - strength isn't really his thing and it's actually hard to think of any strength feats for him.
By statements he is, but by feats he is more of a jobber than Thor. He's been beaten up or knocked out too many times where I think Thor would have done better. Like against Gladiator and Silver Surfer as you showed me. I didn't want to put Beta above Surfer who knocked him out easily.
I can move Nova, unless other people want to make a case for him. @novaprime2:
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