Lowballing and overhyping of the Eternals' feats(SPOILERS)

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#1  Edited By Johndeyvido

Ever since the movie made its debut, comicvine has honestly been a mess as there's been some ridiculous lowballing and wanking of their feats by comicviners.

I'll try to discuss the few things I ve read and give my opinion on them. Please for those who have seen the movie, you can add yours too.

Here are some of the ridiculous things I've read:

1."Ikaris was working with the deviants and therefore was holding back against them"

OK this is ridiculous and pure headcanon. The deviants wanted to kill him and he was absolutely not holding back against any of them.

2."the deviants were shotgun level"

No they were not. Even before they got amped, Ajak could only slow them down with her shotgun but the deviants were not one-shotted or maimed by gunshots at all. They recovered from it almost immediately.

3."Ikaris eye beams cut their ship in half and the ship could tank the surface of the sun"

Unless the meaning of half has changed, Ikaris didn't slice the Domo in half just damaged it and the ship didn't tank the sun surface at all it flew pass the sun from millions of miles away which is hardly impressive as a real life NASA probe can do & did the same thing.

4."Ikaris tanked flying into the sun"

No he did not. He was still at the sun's corona which is millions of km away from the sun's surface when the scene cuts to white. His status is unknown too so the feat depends on his final fate so until we get a confirmation as to his status from the producers, the feat is hardly usable.

5."Ikaris cloud dispersal feat is inconsistent...he struggled against deviants"

No it's not. He's never had sufficient distance to use his powerful bullrush against deviants as he always fought them in close quarters. For the feat in question, Ikaris had enough distance to accelerate and build up speed sth he didn't have against those deviants

6."Makkari don't have the statue force bcos of no slo-mo"

How superspeed is portrayed has no bearing on how fast a speedster is overall. Makkari is ridiculously fast, faster than anyone in the dceu and yes Ikaris reacted and grabbed her midblitz. Dceu fanboys get over yourselves.

Please add more lowballing or wanking you have seen on comicvine since the movie was released.

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#3  Edited By Pandalumina

Lowball: it took ikaris 13 weeks to get to the sun apparently

Wank: Star level Ikaris

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@johndeyvido: ye if anything statue force makes speed debates harder because you can't objectively say how fast ppl are moving

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One wank I'd like to bring up is Ikaris being >>> Thor. There is a producer quote limiting the power of the Eternals in that they cannot be too godlike at the expense of being relatable, but Thor has managed that just fine

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#7  Edited By KrisBishop  Moderator

Makkari don't have the statue force bcos of no slo-mo

How superspeed is portrayed has no bearing on how fast a speedster is overall.

This.

People don't realise that it's just a matter of perspective. If they chose to portray the scene from Makkari and Ikaris' perspective then everyone would be a statue.

Lowball: it took ikaris 13 weeks to get to the sun apparently

Wank: Star level Ikaris

Also this.

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@johndeyvido: I think the cloud dispersal is inconsistent with his durability. He was hurt somewhat by Thens, Makkari and the Deviants none of whom are even city block level.

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@americanspeeddemon:

I don't think so. Flight =/=durability

The cloud dispersal feat is a showing of how powerful his flight is not his durability.

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I'm guessing i was tagged for a reason?

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@americanspeeddemon: Ikaris wasn't even hurt by Thena lol, Makkari wasn't doing much with her punches either, deviants are eh (since fodder is always inconsistent, with usually garbage dura compared to their strength), example: Parademons strong enough to rip the batmobile apart, but not durable enough to survive a 1 storey drop.

Or Ultron bots (Capable of cracking rock, lifting 25 ton trailers etc, yet easily get torn apart by arrows and bullets).

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Agreed except for the deviant part. Ikaris revealed he used the deviants to buy time for the celestials. He pretended for the most part until he turned against the Eternals. That was when he was fully serious.

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Oh boy. Here we go.

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I just read it and you made some great points. I only disagree with one thing. Icarus flying to the Sun was actually very impressive as he was in the corona which IIRC is many times hotter than the surface of the Sun.

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@joker567892: considering we see up from bots tank machine gun fire it's reasonable to assume Hawkeye and Black Widow's weapons are enhanced somewhat.

The deviants have a bunch of feats that show even strengthwise they aren't impressive struggling to lift up a metal tree, their hits not being strong enough to send Sersi through a wooden shack, etc.

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@americanspeeddemon:

I'm pretty sure we see one get destroyed by bullets as well, also I doubt guns are enhanced lol.

Deviants also tanked getting sent through stone statues and buildings.

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Ever since the movie made its debut, comicvine has honestly been a mess as there's been some ridiculous lowballing and wanking of their feats by comicviners.

I'll try to discuss the few things I ve read and give my opinion on them. Please for those who have seen the movie, you can add yours too.

Here are some of the ridiculous things I've read:

1."Ikaris was working with the deviants and therefore was holding back against them"

OK this is ridiculous and pure headcanon. The deviants wanted to kill him and he was absolutely not holding back against any of them.

Well true

2."the deviants were shotgun level"

No they were not. Even before they got amped, Ajak could only slow them down with her shotgun but the deviants were not one-shotted or maimed by gunshots at all. They recovered from it almost immediately.

According to plot they were absorbing powers from eternals corpses. Well Ajak and Gilgamesh didn't specialise in super durability

3."Ikaris eye beams cut their ship in half and the ship could tank the surface of the sun"

Unless the meaning of half has changed, Ikaris didn't slice the Domo in half just damaged it and the ship didn't tank the sun surface at all it flew pass the sun from millions of miles away which is hardly impressive as a real life NASA probe can do & did the same thing.

Well true, but MCU fanboys/wankers and logic is pure oxymoron.

4."Ikaris tanked flying into the sun"

No he did not. He was still at the sun's corona which is millions of km away from the sun's surface when the scene cuts to white. His status is unknown too so the feat depends on his final fate so until we get a confirmation as to his status from the producers, the feat is hardly usable.

Well it's impossible to inject this info into MCU mentals thick skull

5."Ikaris cloud dispersal feat is inconsistent...he struggled against deviants"

No it's not. He's never had sufficient distance to use his powerful bullrush against deviants as he always fought them in close quarters. For the feat in question, Ikaris had enough distance to accelerate and build up speed sth he didn't have against those deviants

Same thoughts

6."Makkari don't have the statue force bcos of no slo-mo"

How superspeed is portrayed has no bearing on how fast a speedster is overall. Makkari is ridiculously fast, faster than anyone in the dceu and yes Ikaris reacted and grabbed her midblitz. Dceu fanboys get over yourselves.

Ikaris has 0 other slow mode perception feats and Ikaris barely reacted.

Please add more lowballing or wanking you have seen on comicvine since the movie was released.

7. Big Bang tier Arishem, because existed before universe. But nobody tries to use brain cells when Arishem miht have been located beyond reach ot the expansion

8. Black hole forging teleportation of Arishem. Cool looking visual doesn't make you black holish.

9 Druig is casual planet level mind haxer. When ? Just calming down/soothing societies doesn't make you Fox Professor, CW Grodd/martians, CW Brainwave, MCU Wanda lvl controllers.

10. Sersi is casual Tiamut transmuter. Damn massive amps of all team members and spaceship ?

11. Every celestial is star lvl or galaxy lvl. Forging baby version of every planet and star allowing it to develop itself is now casually galaxil/star ? When all celestials together combined forge planet after planet/star after star for years/eons, they together make a galaxy. Galaxy = bilions of matured stars + bilions of matured planets, no rocket science.

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@joker567892: We do see them no sell machine gun fire so pistol and Arrows>>>Machine Guns.

You were saying their strength should be better than their durability. Even those durability feats aren't great. I have deviants at like building level but it's weird that an island level Ikaris would struggle against building level creatures. But I think Ikaris' last flight is an outlier considering every other unamped feat in the movie is like building level or slightly higher.

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@nassergrant19:

Ikaris wasn't working with the deviants.. He nearly died against the deviants in the forest and had to be saved at the last second by Gilgamesh otherwise he would have been drained to death and later he got pinned down by another deviant, he was screaming helplessly trying his hardest to escape and couldn't until Sersi stabbed the deviant which allowed him escape.

He was not holding back against the deviants, I mean he tore off the wings of one, killed another with his eyes beam so unless he was willing to die for the ruse then he wasn't working with them or holding back.

His exact statement to Ajak was

"....when they find your body, they would know the deviants are back and it will keep them busy until the emergence"

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#22  Edited By nassergrant19

@johndeyvido: Fair point but the Deviant he struggled with was getting heavily amped and he even says it was stronger than the others.

So those are just feats for the Deviants tbh.

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#23  Edited By Reyne-TheAbyss

@nassergrant19: He was referring to Kro with that line. That said, the Deviant that pinned him tanked his cosmic beams, something not even Kro could do.

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@nassergrant19: He was referring to Kro with that line. That said, the Deviant that pinned him tanked his cosmic beams, something not even Kro could do.

Yeah that’s what I was saying. They were clearly getting amped each time.

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#25  Edited By death4bunnies  Online
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@nassergrant19: He was referring to Kro with that line. That said, the Deviant that pinned him tanked his cosmic beams, something not even Kro could do.

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Kro shared his amps with other deviants, you can see one grow wings at the end.

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@nassergrant19:

Feats for the Deviants, true but it proves Ikaris wasn't working with them nor holding back against them. He was overwhelmed and overpowered by those amped deviants.

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#28  Edited By Reyne-TheAbyss

@johndeyvido: Only the last one overpowered him, and it seemed stronger that even Kro given how it tanked his beams point blank, and yet he sent Kro flying from farther away.

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Ever since the movie made its debut, comicvine has honestly been a mess as there's been some ridiculous lowballing and wanking of their feats by comicviners.

I'll try to discuss the few things I ve read and give my opinion on them. Please for those who have seen the movie, you can add yours too.

Here are some of the ridiculous things I've read:

1."Ikaris was working with the deviants and therefore was holding back against them"

OK this is ridiculous and pure headcanon. The deviants wanted to kill him and he was absolutely not holding back against any of them.

2."the deviants were shotgun level"

No they were not. Even before they got amped, Ajak could only slow them down with her shotgun but the deviants were not one-shotted or maimed by gunshots at all. They recovered from it almost immediately.

3."Ikaris eye beams cut their ship in half and the ship could tank the surface of the sun"

Unless the meaning of half has changed, Ikaris didn't slice the Domo in half just damaged it and the ship didn't tank the sun surface at all it flew pass the sun from millions of miles away which is hardly impressive as a real life NASA probe can do & did the same thing.

4."Ikaris tanked flying into the sun"

No he did not. He was still at the sun's corona which is millions of km away from the sun's surface when the scene cuts to white. His status is unknown too so the feat depends on his final fate so until we get a confirmation as to his status from the producers, the feat is hardly usable.

5."Ikaris cloud dispersal feat is inconsistent...he struggled against deviants"

No it's not. He's never had sufficient distance to use his powerful bullrush against deviants as he always fought them in close quarters. For the feat in question, Ikaris had enough distance to accelerate and build up speed sth he didn't have against those deviants

6."Makkari don't have the statue force bcos of no slo-mo"

How superspeed is portrayed has no bearing on how fast a speedster is overall. Makkari is ridiculously fast, faster than anyone in the dceu and yes Ikaris reacted and grabbed her midblitz. Dceu fanboys get over yourselves.

Please add more lowballing or wanking you have seen on comicvine since the movie was released.

I actually agree with most of this

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#31  Edited By cosmic_reign
@rajjarsalt said:

One wank I'd like to bring up is Ikaris being >>> Thor. There is a producer quote limiting the power of the Eternals in that they cannot be too godlike at the expense of being relatable, but Thor has managed that just fine

Agree... but keep in mind the limited intellect of primitive beings. Eternals made their presence known to early terrestials and has shown advancements that they can duplicate(making fire, writing, gardening etc) at least for Humans.

Thor came far later, presumably after humans developed the capacity to Worship... Accordingly, Eternals can be considered 'physical stand-in' for many Pantheons/gods

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#32  Edited By HoneyGlow

@johndeyvido said:

Ever since the movie made its debut, comicvine has honestly been a mess as there's been some ridiculous lowballing and wanking of their feats by comicviners.

I'll try to discuss the few things I ve read and give my opinion on them. Please for those who have seen the movie, you can add yours too.

Here are some of the ridiculous things I've read:

1."Ikaris was working with the deviants and therefore was holding back against them"

OK this is ridiculous and pure headcanon. The deviants wanted to kill him and he was absolutely not holding back against any of them.

2."the deviants were shotgun level"

No they were not. Even before they got amped, Ajak could only slow them down with her shotgun but the deviants were not one-shotted or maimed by gunshots at all. They recovered from it almost immediately.

3."Ikaris eye beams cut their ship in half and the ship could tank the surface of the sun"

Unless the meaning of half has changed, Ikaris didn't slice the Domo in half just damaged it and the ship didn't tank the sun surface at all it flew pass the sun from millions of miles away which is hardly impressive as a real life NASA probe can do & did the same thing.

4."Ikaris tanked flying into the sun"

No he did not. He was still at the sun's corona which is millions of km away from the sun's surface when the scene cuts to white. His status is unknown too so the feat depends on his final fate so until we get a confirmation as to his status from the producers, the feat is hardly usable.

5."Ikaris cloud dispersal feat is inconsistent...he struggled against deviants"

No it's not. He's never had sufficient distance to use his powerful bullrush against deviants as he always fought them in close quarters. For the feat in question, Ikaris had enough distance to accelerate and build up speed sth he didn't have against those deviants

6."Makkari don't have the statue force bcos of no slo-mo"

How superspeed is portrayed has no bearing on how fast a speedster is overall. Makkari is ridiculously fast, faster than anyone in the dceu and yes Ikaris reacted and grabbed her midblitz. Dceu fanboys get over yourselves.

Please add more lowballing or wanking you have seen on comicvine since the movie was released.

Couldn't have said it better myself.