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#1 The_Hajduk  Online

Seeing as the fodder Titan (or mad fodder) is clearly a horrible villain and pretty pathetic I was thinking we could get a running list of every Avenger who could have soloed him. First off we have the basics.

-Prime Thor

-Captain Marvel

-Scarlet Witch

-Worthy Cap

-Doctor Strange

Who else was on the verge of killing Thanos in the movies and only got stopped by circumstance?

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@the_hajduk: Wait , weren't you a fan of MCU Thanos ?

And how is he pathetic when he the most complex and threatening MCU villain who killed 5 times the no . of people any other MCU villain killed combined ?

Anyways , the only Avengers who can beat him are Wanda and Captain Marvel . The Russos even stated that .

Dr Strange cannot beat him at all since Christopher Markus and Stephen Mcfeely ( the screenwriters of Avengers IW and Endgame ) said that Thanos was the strongest being in the universe and even without the gauntlet , would beat the living daylights out of the team on Titan . Ebony Maw , also , beat Strange and the Russos said that he was less powerful than Thanos . In a deleted scene , Ebony Maw broke the mirror dimension with physical force and so , it wont work against Thanos . He also cannot use the sling ring against Thanos since his skin is impenetrable and is capable of reacting to it easily since he was outpacing Drax and Dr. Strange , the main trinity , reacted to and dodged Mjolnir easily , and was much smarter than Cull Obsidian .

Worthy Cap lost badly against Thanos when he came back to his senses . Sure , the Russos said said he had him on the ropes , but only because Thanos didn't know what was coming his way and Cap was fighting at his absolute best and was relentless . Once Thanos realized Cap's fighting style , he easily outmatched and outsmarted him .

Thanos already beat the living crap out of Prime Thor without Stormbreaker and after realizing its capabilities ( he is a master strategist who conquered thousands of planets ) , he was easily capable of countering it and easily disarmed Thor of it .

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If Thanos is armed: Scarlet Witch and probably Doctor Strange

If he's unarmed, also Captain Marvel

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#4  Edited By deltahuman

Only Carol, Wanda and Strange can beat Thanos.

Carol is physically more powerful, faster and has more versatility than Thanos who's just a skilled brick. But if Thanos is armed, it could go either way in Carol vs Thanos. Wanda has already shown that she possesses the requisite hax and Strange has a lot of hax and magic artifacts and even an infinity stone, should be choose to abuse it. It doesn't really matter if Maw got the better of Strange in IW. Strange was fighting with one hand tied behind his back because he had to protect the stone and deal with the assault of two attackers and also protect other people. Besides, Maw and Thanos do not share the same abilities even if Thanos is physically more powerful. He can't do stuff that Maw can. Thanos had to abuse the space, power and reality gems to deal with Strange on Titan while Strange didn't even use his gem. He used only his magic artefacts and hax and still performed really well. He could've chosen not to surrender the stone had Tony's life not been threatened. I think Strange has at least reached Ancient One level of proficiency if not surpassed her. She already mentioned that Strange was meant to be the best of their kind. Also this notion of Thanos having impenetrable skin is BS since he was already cut on Titan besides being cut with SB.

Besides these three, Thor has a chance due to his weapon but it's highly unlikely he'd be able to do it in a CQB battle with Thanos. We already saw the outcome of that. Worthy Cap can dominate Thanos for a while and give him a better fight than Thor due to him being more skilled but Cap has got even lesser chance of being able to kill Thanos than Thor because he lacks the requisite weapons. I honesty don't think Mjolnir and that shield is enough

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"Prime" (Infinity War even tho he's physically as strong as in Endgame) Thor: only lost due to pis and being dumb, had a sneak attack and failed to do it

-Captain Marvel: was clearly dominating him in their fight, he needed a amp to beat her

-Scarlet Witch: with range, she can also win

-Worthy Cap: Honestly he could have been able to outright solo Thanos by slamming the shield off the hammer and bouncing it for a decapitation.

-Doctor Strange: Standard Strange wasn't going to finish the job, at least from my opinion. Thanos wasn't fighting on Titan with the full amount of anger or determination as in Endgame, so he'd actually win that fight tbh. I don't think Strange could really defeat Thanos by himself.

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@deltahuman: Dr. Strange is not beating Thanos. The writers and directors themselves confirmed it . The mirror dimension was , already , broken by Maw , by physical force , in a deleted scene . Thanos was said to have impenetrable skin , by the Russo Brothers , even before IW came out . Thanos gaining only a single cut after all the punishment he went through was meant to highlight that . Please refer to my previous post , #2 , please .

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@professorrespect: Cap could decapitate Thanos with shield? He tried that and it did nothing.

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#8  Edited By ProfessorRespect

@nn5: ye Thanos survived with the power of pis compelling him, obviously he wasn't gonna die right then and there

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@wakeupsid: Is there a proof that Maw broke the Mirror Dimension by physical force? I mean, it seems very possible to me but some people say it could have been some kind of hax cause he's a sorcerer.

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@nn5: He is not a sorcerer . He is someone who can use physical forces and controls objects at a molecular level .

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@nn5: It's a feat influenced by plot, sure

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@wakeupsid: IIRC Russos said he used magic to help Thanos make more Pym particles.

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@professorrespect: Sure, Cap's shield can cut through anything, and if it doesn't it's PIS.

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@nn5: I never said that but sure champ, keep that strawman going

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@professorrespect: So , having good feats for the MCU big bad apparently makes it a PIS ?

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@nn5: They never claimed he used magic . They just said he was a wizard who had control over physical bodies on a molecular level . So , his control over molecules allowed him to synthesis Pym Particles along with Thanos.

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@wakeupsid: Don't remember the exact quote but still they said he's a sorcerer in that context. His telekinesis/molecular control might have magic origin in light of that.

Though agree, if Maw can break through Mirror Dimension, it's hard to imagine Thanos wouldn't be able to.

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#20 Bayman007  Online

There are quite a few street levelers that can

Ancient One

Strange

Hulk (without PIS)

Iron Man (after stealing his stones)

Loki (Thanos with no stones probably gets stabbed)

WORTHY BLACK WIDOW XD

I probably missed a few more

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Lol why is Worthy overrated Cap on here? Only Strange and Wanda can stop him.

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@nn5 said:

@professorrespect: No reason to belive it can cut through Thanos tho

considering he got cut by a Iron Man suit, I believe a full force strike would take his head off

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@professorrespect: He obtained only a single cut after the onslaught he suffered from the team on Titan . It was a feat for him .

He smirks and comments , " All that for a drop of blood . " Tony , even , acknowledges that .

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@bayman007: Hulk never lost due to PIS . The fight was meant to establish just how formidable Thanos is that he can beat the most physically powerful Avenger in hand - to - hand combat relatively savagely and easily , so as to maintain a constant sense of dread through the rest of the film . The Russos mentioned that as their intention .

As for Dr. Strange , please refer to my previous posts, #2 , #6 , #11 , and #18 .

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what about Black Widow? why is she downplayed here?

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@wakeupsid: Yeah, but regardless, that cut him. He clearly doesn't have unbreakable skin, and having a unbreakable shield thrown at his head with the force of a hammer that casually tanks re-entry and that kind of stuff has some force behind it

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You forgot Natasha, Hawkeye can head shot him with an arrow aswell. Happy could most likely solo Thanos aswell if he wasn't busy banging aunt May.

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#28  Edited By Bayman007  Online

@wakeupsid: Hulk being beaten and treated like dirt from start finish, so the street levelers could have their day, was PIS. It didn't create dread for the fans, it ruined the film for a lot of them.

As for Strange, he can beat him as well, Thanos got lucky imo against him on Titan.. obviously they couldn't let old ball chin loose partway through the film, also for plot reasons, so I pretty much disagree with everything you said.

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#29  Edited By deltahuman

@wakeupsid:

I beg to differ. Strange would easily beat Base Thanos.

He's got the Time Stone. He can just see the future, learn about the chronology of events and actions that would be effective against Thanos and do exactly that. That's already an unfair advantage. He's also got very powerful magic and artifacts, that certainly helps him win. His hax is phenomenal. Thanos needed Infinity Stones and not just one but a couple of them to counter Strange's magic. Base Thanos has nothing. Strange can make multiple copies of himself and bind Thanos with Crimson Bands of Cytorrak. Thanos needed the soul gem and reality gem to break out of them. Strange's Eldritch Magic helps him create any weapon, swords, whips you name it. His Tao Mandalas are powerful enough to shield from almost all kind of assaults. They were momentarily able to resist even Dormammu's blasts. Base Thanos is nothing compared to him. Strange can portal BFR Thanos anywhere, even to the mirror dimension. Deleted scenes mean nothing here, they aren't canon whatsoever. Canonically neither can Thanos break out of the mirror dimension with physical strength (he needed the power stone to do that on Titan), nor is Thanos's skin invulnerable. Regardless of how small or insignificant the cut on his face was, the Titan battle demonstrated that Thanos can be cut even by blunt force. Strange also has a transmutation spell that can be used to transmutate stuff to anything like he transformed a singularity into butterflies. Thanos has zero counters to any of that magic. Strange has telekinetic spells with which he held a huge amount of water in EG. He has spells to literally make the ground swallow enemies. He used this in EG against Outriders. He has energy blasts as well. Without PIS, Base Thanos is nothing against Strange.

Directors statements do not always hold ground because the on screen evidences speak otherwise. Thanos is not even close to being the most powerful being in the MCU. Surtur, Hela, Ego, Dormammu, Captain Marvel, Wanda and others can easily challenge and beat him. Neither are deleted scenes canon. And like I mentioned earlier, just because Maw performed well against Strange, doesn't mean Base Thanos will too. Their abilities differ vastly and Strange vs Maw had some limitations put on Strange which I've mentioned in my previous post. Bottomline is, Base Thanos vs Strange with the Eye of Agamotto is not a fair match, never will be. Strange has too many advantages, Thanos would never win without PIS. Why do you think they omitted Strange from having a direct confrontation with Thanos in EG. At Base level, Thanos simply isn't a match. He needs stones to win.

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#30  Edited By WakeUpSid

@bayman007: Those are not my original comments . I have collected all the statements and proofs which show that Dr . Strange cannot beat Thanos .

And if you disagree , can you please provide me with the proof that Dr. Strange can beat Thanos ?

And before you mention the worm hole feat , please remember , that that was a very specific and unique situation where he turned it into butterflies . The worm hole was created by the shattered pieces of the mirror dimension from the space stone that he threw at Thanos . It was never used as an offensive attack from Strange and cannot be replicated .

In fact , if you notice , Strange never had a spell which converted it into butterflies . Strange , actually , created an Eldritch shield . The butterflies were just a product produced by the collision of the shield and the worm hole .

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They made Thanos weak in movies, probably cause he was man.

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#32 Bayman007  Online

@wakeupsid: It's already been explained to you several times. His Hax is way above Thanos's pay grade when PIS is not involved, also the time stone in combat will be very handy and will pretty much ensure a 10/10 victory.

We're done here, whether you choose to accept those facts is entirely your call.

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#33  Edited By Bayman007  Online

@lukadoncicmvp: The MCU power levels are all cock sided, which is why they took away some of the mad titan's powers. i.e energy projection, matter manipulation etc.

This has nothing to do with him being a dude. They could have changed Thanos's sex, and still have the films turn out the same way.

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Strange, Wanda & Carol

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@deltahuman: Deleted scenes are not canon , but they reveal the intention . The scene was not deleted because Maw broke the Mirror Dimension , it was deleted because the directors believed that it completely halted the momentum of the battle .

Obviously Strange can beat him with the Time Stone . He can beat any character in a straight - up fight with that , besides Dormammu . And even then , he beat Dormammu by trapping him in an endless loop . But , Strange does not have it anymore after Infinity War and Endgame . And he could not use it in Infinity War as he himself knew Thanos would have obtained before he was able to use it somehow . Strange's Eldritch Magic helps him create any weapon, swords, whips , etc. But , he already tried to attack Thanos h2h , along with Drax , while the latter was blindfolded , and Thanos still easily bested him .

And Thanos , already , broke a Tao Mandala with a kick . Sure , he blocked a beam from Dormammu , but it still broke easily and it the attack from Dormammu is unquantifiable . Star Lord was able to destroy Ego's tentacles .

Strange can make multiple copies of himself and bind Thanos with Crimson Bands of Cytorrak. Sure . But , Thanos in IW was holding back extremely because he was basically a God . He didn't dodge or react to even Stormbreaker and took it head on . In Endgame , it was proven that he could easily react to and dodge Mjolnir , swings from Stormbreaker , Captain Marvel's photon blasts , and Iron Man's repulsors . He wouldn't just sit around and let Strange restrain him . He also overpowered the Crimson Bands of Cytorrak with one arm right after he swatted Drax away with his leg and right before he batted away Iron Man with one hand .

He controlled a large body of water , sure , but it was never made clear whether or not he could he could use it against his opponents , since the only couple of times he used it was against the water body and the giant dust storm produced by the Q ship . And again , it was never made clear how powerful the spell was and it remains unquantifiable .

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#36  Edited By MAZAHS117  Online

Cap can’t beat Thanos, even if he’s worthy

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@professorrespect: What makes you think that shield punched by Mjolnir isn't a full force strike?

If anything it's a feat for Iron Man that he could slightly hurt Thanos, showing how much stronger IW suit is compared to earlier ones.

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@nn5 said:

@professorrespect: What makes you think that shield punched by Mjolnir isn't a full force strike?

I don't, it was just pis obviously when it occured

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@deltahuman: And just because Strange didn't fight against Thanos does not mean that Strange was more powerful than him or could beat him . Scarlet Witch and Captain Marvel were both more powerful than Thanos and yet , he still found a way to outsmart them and beat them . Point is, the writers could have come up with something to allow Thanos to escape Strange and beat him by outmaneuvering him ( if Strange was more powerful ) , just like against Wanda and Vers .

And Strange has never been to use more than a single spell at a certain point in time . So , if he had to kill Thanos or BFR him while restraining him with his clones , he would have to let go of that spell and then attack him , removing the restraint on Thanos.

And , also, Thanos was shown to be able to overpower the clones and move his arms and fingers to activate the gauntlet . Thanos also used the power stone against Iron Man , but that doesn't mean he couldn't destroy the Iron Man suit by himself . Just because Thanos used the stones , does not mean that he could not do it by himself . He just does not have to put in the effort as he has a weapon that can do the job for him easily .

As for the statements from the Russos and the screenwriters , I would be inclined to believe them since they were the ones who created the character and his intended power level .

They stated in their commentary that Wanda and Captain Marvel were meant to act as the only characters that could best him , to show he wasn't completely unbeatable and he had to outsmart and cheat his way out of the fight . They , even , mentioned how in IW , Wanda and Thor were the two main powerhouses . They never mentioned Strange .

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#40  Edited By EmmaFrostXmen

Wtf is this...Thanos Stomps Thor AGAIN

Thanos beats Strange because his lack of damage output. If Maw can break the mirror dimension so can Thanos obviously, and sling rings can’t cut him as stated by the Russo’s. Sorry but current Strange won’t beat Thanos ever

Carol is on pretty even terms. He is stronger than her and more skilled, but he also can’t hurt her at all 50/50

Wanda beats him again

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@professorrespect: Striking feats for Cap's shield sent by Mjolnir proving it was PIS?

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@nn5: You and I know that's a loaded question. Don't waste my time with stuff like that.

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-Prime Thor

Most likely not.

-Captain Marvel

Tie at best.

-Scarlet Witch

Only if she's careful enough.

-Worthy Cap

Not a chance.

-Doctor Strange

Probably, but i'm not so sure about it.

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Only ones who might are

Dr Strange

Scarlett Witch

Captain Marvel (Maybe)

The rest can't

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The one thing I get from this thread and other threads like it: the Russos had to explain a lot about IW and EG.

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@professorrespect: You and I know there's no such feat nor anything that logically implies Cap being able to decap Thanos. Apart from notion that full force strike should do it.

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Some threads no matter how obvious the bait is should just be locked for taking up space tbh.

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@bayman007: You just stated that his hax is too much for Thanos without giving any arguments as to why .

I provided all the counters to all the haxes that people use against Thanos using statements , feats , and commentaries .

Please explain how Strange BFRs or defeats Thanos ( without resorting to ad hominems ) .

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#50 Bayman007  Online

@wakeupsid: I read you post, although you didnt read mine. I pointed out that others have already proved in this very thread his Hax are to much for Thanos, who lets face it in this incarnation is a just a skilled lump.