L&T Thor overpowers the Benatar CALC: Dwarf Planet level strength

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#1  Edited By RajjarsAlt  Online
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I'll assume Benatar's weight is 100 tons since it's a big plane

And its speed is capable of crossing planets as seen before it hits the teleportation gate

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I'll approximate velocity by first comparing the planets to Earth as per the norm (diameter: 12742 km).

I'll assume there's 0.0016 AU orbital distance between these worlds, they look pretty far apart as is, and that's the minimum known distance between two celestial bodies orbiting in the same system.

Note: I could justifiably do way more than this - just like how I could use the speed of the yellow color engine, which Thor is working against, and measure from a Saturn type planet and the relevant distances between it and what seems to be an ice giant like Neptune or Uranus...and this will be the high end.

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But I have sworn to go with the low end to purge myself of bias. Onward!

Low End

Velocity: 2 planets and interplanetary distance -> 25484 km + 0.0016 AU = 264840600 m/s or 88% speed of light

Kinetic Energy -> (γ - 1)mc^2 where γ (ie gamma, borrowed from Hulk) is 1/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)

1/sqrt(1-264840600^2/299792458^2) = 2.13403932698

(2.13403932698-1) * 100000 * 299792458^2 = 1.019223718×10^22 J or 2.44teratons of TNT

High End

Approximating with Saturn instead (diameter: 116460 km)

Velocity: Crossing one planet and interplanetary distance -> 116460 km + 0.0016 AU = 355816593 m/s or 118% speed of light

Since this has crossed the light barrier, the conclusion is that it has peaked at infinite energy at one point or another.

The audio description confirms the Benatar is traveling at hyperspeed, which is recognized as being faster than light. It also notes that passing stars appear as a blur. Thusly I do validate this calculation.

You can interpret the second part of the statement for the actual yield to be a gazillion times higher (size and proximity of stars) than it actually appears on-screen, but I believe the calculation needed to be based on primary visuals first, background visuals second. In this case velocity would be measured in light years or parsecs per second.

Visualization

You all know of when Thor spun an entire realm just by bracing against the escape pod of this ship in Infinity War, but if that doesn't help, Pluto weighs 1.3 x 10^22 kg. And Thor provided enough of a pull to reasonably move nearly twice that.

1.019223718×10^22 J = 1/2 x (1 m/s)^2 x m

m = 2.04 x 10^22 kg

This is Pluto.

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The benatar was not going at top speed so the premise of your calculation is wrong...

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#6  Edited By RajjarsAlt  Online
@johndeyvido said:

The benatar was not going at top speed so the premise of your calculation is wrong...

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I say thee, nay! I see through thee already! I spy with my little eye that thy familiar argument reeks of the Benatar's exhaust fumes and the colors involved therein! No matter, for it will avail thee not! But I shall take yon opportunity to buffer my premise with e'en more supports! I say when the Benatar is going top speed, for only I have wielded the evidence!

To tempt my wrath as such sacrifices much at the altar! If I lacked mercy, I could alter my measurements off a planet comparable to Saturn and the great spaces betwixt it and the outer cosmos - it shall increase the yield to a high-end level! Such is the consequence of the color nitpicking of the Benatar! But since I have mercy, I shall settle for the lower speed, as it doth be a low-end calculation indeed!

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As seen here, high speeds can be displayed with either color of the engine's emission.
As seen here, high speeds can be displayed with either color of the engine's emission.
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1. The benetar is not 100 tons imo Eyeballing it's atleast a thousand tons.

2. It was not flying at top speed.

3. A better estimation would be calculating it's cruising speed. If you have enough clips of it, it should be easy.

4. At best this feat scales to his durability.

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#8  Edited By RajjarsAlt  Online
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1. The benetar is not 100 tons imo Eyeballing it's atleast a thousand tons.

2. It was not flying at top speed.

3. A better estimation would be calculating it's cruising speed. If you have enough clips of it, it should be easy.

4. At best this feat scales to his durability.

Did I ever claim that? And how did you determine this?

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#9  Edited By Tighten_returns

@rajjarsalt: the videos you showed are when its thrusters are fully blue.

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#10  Edited By RajjarsAlt  Online
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@rajjarsalt: the videos you showed are when it's thrusters are gully blue.

Aye, but the blue thrusters are not its top speed, the yellow ones are as they have its best feat so far. If anything, I am lowballing the speed!

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#11 RajjarsAlt  Online

3. A better estimation would be calculating it's cruising speed. If you have enough clips of it, it should be easy.

When it crossed escape velocity in Endgame (yellow), Rocket switched to the blue and it was cruising in high orbit, wasn't it?

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@rajjarsalt: sure but the blue flames speed is still not the speed it's using against thor. Like I said it'd be better to actually calculate its cruising speed. How are you replying so fast?

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#14 RajjarsAlt  Online

@rajjarsalt: sure but the blue flames speed is still not the speed it's using against thor. Like I said it'd be better to actually calculate its cruising speed. How are you replying so fast?

Speed of thought

I mean, I can calculate the yellow flame speed if it is that crucial

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#19  Edited By Tighten_returns
@rajjarsalt said:
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(The 10 second unskippable ninjago ad almost made me lose it.)

See now that's perfect.

We see the benatar starts at around low cloud levels which is 6500ft or 1981.2 metres.

The distance from the surface of the planet to borderline space is 100km

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True Distance crossed by benetar

= 100km-1981.2m

= 98,018.8m

It took 8 seconds for the benetar to reach space

Velocity

= 12,252.35m/s

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For the weight

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Chris Hemsworth is 1.9m tall ~41px

Bemetar body length is 1025px ~ 47.5m

Top diameter is 80px

R= 1.8536585366m

Bottom diameter is 203px

R = 4.7036585366m

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Lets ignore the wings for lowballing purposes.

Volume of a conical frustum

= 1705.1234395798m3

It's hollow so we'll take out 50%

Actual volume of body

= 852.5617197899m3

Density of steel is 7850kg/m3

Mass

= 6,692,609.5003507kg ignoring the wings.

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Energy

= (0.5*6,692,609.5003507)12,252.35^(2)

= 502,347,538,549,148 joules

120.1 kilotons.

Force

= 82,000,194,011.622 newtons

8,361,692.7 tons

Meh. It's better than nothing.

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@tighten_returns: How hollow is it? It doesn't really seem to have much inner space compared to airplanes

Also the wing engine don't seem to be active as they are in the Thor feat, which makes me think this is the peak energy as far as yellow is concerned

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@rajjarsalt: Ye it's probably like 45 - 42% hollowness give or take but I always lowball stuff like that in my calculations.

I wanted to say the wings weren't even active which means when thor was pulling it was moving faster than the Velocity I used to calculate. Overall mine it just the lowest of ends.

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@rajjarsalt:

I don't think that entire write-up was necessary but i get your point..

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#24  Edited By RajjarsAlt  Online
@johndeyvido said:

@rajjarsalt:

I don't think that entire write-up was necessary but i get your point..

Lol dw m8 I was just having fun

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@tighten_returns:

nice calc but 50% is highballing it, it would likely be between 70-80% hollow

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Rajjar is top 3 best comicvine posters of all time

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@johndeyvido: Benatar isn't that hollow but if you think it weighs less then the wings i left out make up for the extra Weight.

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@johndeyvido: Benatar isn't that hollow but if you think it weighs less then the wings i left out make up for the extra Weight.

we have seen inside of the ship and it's mostly living quarters so it should be that hollow but like you said the wings should make up for that weight anyways since its roughly 40m in length

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So what's the agreed value exactly

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@jaakor: nothing! None of this matters!

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#32  Edited By Reyne-TheAbyss

I've already stated before how the Benatar was not going at full speed in that scene (thrusters start at blue [hovering on Morag], go to orange, then blue [as scene in Infinity War, Endgame, and Love and Thunder]). The calc I'd like to see is one using the scout pod's Nidavellir pull, but using the surface area of the Benatar's thrusters as a multiplier.

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L&T Thor is already the strongest MCU/DCEU high-tier barring possibly Hela but nice effort.

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Fun thread

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#36  Edited By EmmaFrostXmen

incalculable. speed of ship is unspecified. to say a speed as fact is a headcanon

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#37  Edited By heiqn

Nidavellir still trumps but it's a good feat regardless, of course it's a bit vague due to unknown speed of ship

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#38  Edited By nassergrant19

@emmafrostxmen: Yeah this can’t necessarily be used but recent WoG and Marvel Studios already confirmed L&T prime Thor as the physically strongest Avenger. Above Carol and thus Thanos.

He’s the strongest MCU/DCEU high-tier barring his sister Hela(Which is probably debatable at this point).

This feat isn’t really needed.

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incalculable. speed of ship is unspecified. to say a speed as fact is a headcanon

Hence why its speed was estimated!

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Of course it’s no. It’s an MCU character :)

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@kal_el_batson:

I criticize DC calcs just the same, see the black Adam lightning explosion calc

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@emmafrostxmen: Yeah this can’t necessarily be used but recent WoG and Marvel Studios already confirmed L&T prime Thor as the physically strongest Avenger. Above Carol and thus Thanos.

He’s the strongest MCU/DCEU high-tier barring his sister Hela(Which is probably debatable at this point).

This feat isn’t really needed.

I would say that Thanos is actually stronger (cause he is), but Thor is still stronger than Thanos.

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Yeah this can’t necessarily be used but recent WoG and Marvel Studios already confirmed L&T prime Thor as the physically strongest Avenger. Above Carol and thus Thanos.

He’s the strongest MCU/DCEU high-tier barring his sister Hela(Which is probably debatable at this point).

This feat isn’t really needed.

Isn't Thanos stronger than Carol

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#45  Edited By nassergrant19
@byondeon said:
@nassergrant19 said:

@emmafrostxmen: Yeah this can’t necessarily be used but recent WoG and Marvel Studios already confirmed L&T prime Thor as the physically strongest Avenger. Above Carol and thus Thanos.

He’s the strongest MCU/DCEU high-tier barring his sister Hela(Which is probably debatable at this point).

This feat isn’t really needed.

I would say that Thanos is actually stronger (cause he is), but Thor is still stronger than Thanos.

I’d argue they are on the same level but Carol is superior to to him due to overpowering him after the blip. However you could argue either way.

But yeah glad we’re in agreement L&T Prime Thor is physically stronger than Carol and Thanos. MCU made that pretty clear.

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@nassergrant19 said:

Yeah this can’t necessarily be used but recent WoG and Marvel Studios already confirmed L&T prime Thor as the physically strongest Avenger. Above Carol and thus Thanos.

He’s the strongest MCU/DCEU high-tier barring his sister Hela(Which is probably debatable at this point).

This feat isn’t really needed.

Isn't Thanos stronger than Carol

I mean based on their first encounter you could say that and the concept of her absorbing the stones. However nothing is more definitive than her overpowering him in that final scene. You could argue either way but they are in the same realm of strength that current prime Thor scales above.

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Meh you guys are still going too high on its speed. It’s hovering and then he barely pulls it and it matches his pull somewhat.

At least they had him use a massive metal chain to pull it instead of having a pod pull a rope that was supposedly anchoring whatever absurdly inaccurate high calc that was made for nedavellir. So this feat is capped by the strength of the metal. It’s doubtful we are talking about billions of pounds.

So in summation, both scenes are vomit or else all planes and structures would be virtually impregnable.

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