You do know that hax isn't a straight category like strength and speed right? It's used to describe abilities which don't fit in to typical categories and as such are considered OP. Simply put, if that's true (I stopped watching Super at ep 4-5, I can't remember. The one with the shocking animation) then that would make Goku "immune" to time manip, and just time manip, not any and all hax.
This is the fight they're referring to. To sum it up, guy has ability to time-skip by about .1 of a second. Goku learns to predict the attack, as a result, the guy increases the time skip to abou .5 of a second. As a result, goku mixed super saiyan blue and kaioken together to become fast enough to where even the time-skip can't keep up with him
You do know that hax isn't a straight category like strength and speed right? It's used to describe abilities which don't fit in to typical categories and as such are considered OP. Simply put, if that's true (I stopped watching Super at ep 4-5, I can't remember. The one with the shocking animation) then that would make Goku "immune" to time manip, and just time manip, not any and all hax.
Thing is, when Hit uses his improved version of Time Skip, Goku states: "It's useless, the level i'm at now is far ahead of your time lapse"
So... a high enough level of KI renders other techniques (Haxxes, for instance) irrelevant
You do know that hax isn't a straight category like strength and speed right? It's used to describe abilities which don't fit in to typical categories and as such are considered OP. Simply put, if that's true (I stopped watching Super at ep 4-5, I can't remember. The one with the shocking animation) then that would make Goku "immune" to time manip, and just time manip, not any and all hax.
Just becasue he can negate Hit's hax doesnt mean he can negate all hax......
Not all Hax just now, but what i mean is, with a high enough lvl of KI a Hax is ignored bypassed, lets take for instance Kamui, even if current Goku may be still affected by it, he will not need to develop some anti matter transportation technique, he will just have to increasi his KI lvl by a certain amount, and then he will be immune already.
@rukelnikovftw: No, if Goku was dumb enough to let Kamui land it would hurt him. It ignores durability and Ki does not negate all hax, it negates Kit's hax in the DB verse.
Giorno and Medaka still slap him around though. Not all haxs are created equal.
Okay so you are perhaps the most knowledgeable individual I know on this site with relevant knowledge of Medaka (watching the anime btw pretty good). So I found this argument online and was wondering what you thought, anything out of context? I'm not that far in the series and some of the scans won't load for me.
"Medaka is nowhere near the monster fanboys make her to be.
Giorno and Medaka still slap him around though. Not all haxs are created equal.
Okay so you are perhaps the most knowledgeable individual I know on this site with relevant knowledge of Medaka (watching the anime btw pretty good). So I found this argument online and was wondering what you thought, anything out of context? I'm not that far in the series and some of the scans won't load for me.
"Medaka is nowhere near the monster fanboys make her to be.
She can't copy every kind of abilities but on top of that she is limited by her physicals.
And "All fiction" is much much more limited than what Medaka wankers pretends."
She has troubles learning Styles since it's something she's not used to, but at the end of the series, she was able to learn style and combine it in the fight against Lihiko, since Lihiko didn't have experience against a Style, she was able to damage Lihiko since he hasn't recognized it as an attack yet. She can't copy Lihiko's ability, and that's an exception, as they have clearly explained why. What's the limit of All Fiction? It works on everything and everyone except for Lihiko since he's anti-super powers and reality warping powers.
@poeticwarrior: Thanks for the input. I'm gonna dig deeper into this and contact you later if I have anymore specific questions about her as I progress through the series.
Goku speed was just faster than time... It wasn't immunity or anything like that but his speed just allowed him to keep moving while everything else was frozen in tim.
High-level DBZ Gods can overcome time-jumping by increasing their speed. They never have shown outright resistance to reality warping at a high level.
A high-level DBZ God Ki user could probably overcome a low-level reality warmer, but there is zero proof they could do the same against someone like Franklin Richards, who can control other people's brains and abilities to use their powers, powers work instantly or youctoseconds max, auto-shields, who can punch holes in reality, travel through and control time and space, astral project, create universes and then go inside of them, survive until the end of this universe and live on to create a new universe, use Galactus as his herald, punch Celestials in the face... I mean there are levels of reality warping.
Ki>>>>>> haX in the dbzverse, I'm 100% sure that hax outside the dbzverse would still affects goku
The hax that their characters have shown resistance to are the same in all universes. If Goku literally shows you a feat of bypassing Time Manipulation (Time Stop) then why assume this will be different anywhere else just cause it's DB? Of course it depends on who is using these abilities but for the most part if Vegito shrugs off Transmutation the same will happen in DC from a similar output.
What about vs. Janemba, he was a reality warper? I forget how Goku won, but he powered up to overcome hax. I don't know if it makes sense, but it is something DB does.
@micah007123: because hit's time stop is limited he can only do it for so long.tell me do you think goku could resist time manipulation from zoom who can actually move outside the regular time flies where time and literally everything else is still or do you think he could resist MM turning his brain into mush.
@micah007123: because hit's time stop is limited he can only do it for so long.tell me do you think goku could resist time manipulation from zoom who can actually move outside the regular time flies where time and literally everything else is still or do you think he could resist MM turning his brain into mush.
I don't know. We are waiting to see where this "hax negation" thing goes or if it's a thing at all.
You do know that hax isn't a straight category like strength and speed right? It's used to describe abilities which don't fit in to typical categories and as such are considered OP. Simply put, if that's true (I stopped watching Super at ep 4-5, I can't remember. The one with the shocking animation) then that would make Goku "immune" to time manip, and just time manip, not any and all hax.
Thing is, when Hit uses his improved version of Time Skip, Goku states: "It's useless, the level i'm at now is far ahead of your time lapse"
So... a high enough level of KI renders other techniques (Haxxes, for instance) irrelevant
Ok. Again, that would make him "immune" to (small scale) time manip, not hax.
@ajax1998: sorry but board rules equalize every verse hax and energies. Also if that were true, that would no other verse would able to resust Buu's hax since they never show immunity to Buu's hax only.
Why are people putting this as time resistance ? He used sheer speed to enter Hit time skip, he has no hax resistance on that, Hit ability only effects himself by allowing him to time leap.
Though this does give Goku time stopping ability since he is so faster he broke through speed and went into time leap himself.
No, he was just able to overcome his opponent's specific ability. Just like most of his other fights throughout the DB series. This doesn't put Ki over hax at all.
The thing that I was just thinking is that atm goku can overcome time stopping abilities regardless if its forever as its still time being stopped. It is nlf if we we're to say this applies to every other ability. But it does imply that the more ki/being more stronger can do this. Will just have to wait if more hax like abilities are introduced.
You do know that hax isn't a straight category like strength and speed right? It's used to describe abilities which don't fit in to typical categories and as such are considered OP. Simply put, if that's true (I stopped watching Super at ep 4-5, I can't remember. The one with the shocking animation) then that would make Goku "immune" to time manip, and just time manip, not any and all hax.
Thing is, when Hit uses his improved version of Time Skip, Goku states: "It's useless, the level i'm at now is far ahead of your time lapse"
So... a high enough level of KI renders other techniques (Haxxes, for instance) irrelevant
Ok. Again, that would make him "immune" to (small scale) time manip, not hax.
When Goku used KK in SsjB maybe just maybe his god ki made him so strong that Hits time manipulation thing didnt work on goku . Meaning everyone else would be frozen in the time frame of HIT'S ability while goku could still move so technically u can say goku was immune to it only as long as he has that high level due to Kaio-Ken.
Why are people saying Goku resisted Hit ability like really. It's time skip not time stop everything. Hit ability only effect himself, Goku moved so fast where he entered the same situation as Hit.
No, he was just able to overcome his opponent's specific ability. Just like most of his other fights throughout the DB series. This doesn't put Ki over hax at all.
No, he was just able to overcome his opponent's specific ability. Just like most of his other fights throughout the DB series. This doesn't put Ki over hax at all.
It does. Ki > hax all the time in DBZ
so vegito let himself be transformed into candy by buu then ?
No, he was just able to overcome his opponent's specific ability. Just like most of his other fights throughout the DB series. This doesn't put Ki over hax at all.
It does. Ki > hax all the time in DBZ
so vegito let himself be transformed into candy by buu then ?
No Vegito was caught off guard with it. When he wasn't, Majin Buu couldn't even absorb him without his shield down
so vegito let himself be transformed into candy by buu then ?
No Vegito was caught off guard with it. When he wasn't, Majin Buu couldn't even absorb him without his shield down
if he was caught off guard, then why can't he powerup to break it off ? i'm going with the gist of this thread so far.
You mean in his candy form well that's because he was a candy, it's unknown if he can use energy in a candy but then again he still had his powers of physical levels to be able to belt majin Buu further
so vegito let himself be transformed into candy by buu then ?
No Vegito was caught off guard with it. When he wasn't, Majin Buu couldn't even absorb him without his shield down
if he was caught off guard, then why can't he powerup to break it off ? i'm going with the gist of this thread so far.
You mean in his candy form well that's because he was a candy, it's unknown if he can use energy in a candy but then again he still had his powers of physical levels to be able to belt majin Buu further
the point of my question was on OP's gist that powering up can invalidate hax and it has been like that in dragonball however, vegito being candy and unable to use ki contradicts that point.
as far as i remember, two haxes has been able to significantly alter a stronger being directly in dragonball without exploiting some sort of weakness to it. one is the candy beam and the other is buu's stomach acid. heck, if we consider the dragonball's wish granting ability as some sort of hax, dragonball characters would have been probably immune to it by now by sheer difference of power.
Lol, no. Maybe that's he case in the DBZ Universe, but just because he negated a single persons single had power doesn't definitely mean Goku is immune to any and all 'hax' powers. 'Hax' isn't a type of power, it's a grouping of piers that aren't like anything else. For example, GL has shown a high telepathic immunity, that doesn't mean that an abstract couldn't warp him out of existence though.
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