@deagonx:
You have to prove it's multiversal, and you haven't. Nothing suggests Mandrakk was going to be "the only thing" left in the end.
With all due respect you're argument here is really stupid and I almost believe you are actually trolling.
The hyper story essentially placed Mandrakk as the ultimate destroyer of all DC existence, that's the Multiverse and all stories and all of existence within given an ultimate fate. That includes everything in the Multiversal map and all stories (past to present) within. Grant Morrison himself says the entire multiverse was being sucked dry of stories and near the end of the book before his defeat Mandrakk himself says at the end that this was the end of all stories. Of course he was wrong, but that was because of TR and the Miracle Machine (a literal plot device which gave the story a happy ending according to Nix Uotan, and rebuilt the Multiverse).
Look, even if you ignore all that, it's clear that Final Crisis is meant to be the ultimate Multiversal level crisis that was destroying everything and on a scale that was meant to be above every Crisis before it. Darkseid is a lower being, a living idea god that was already destroying the Orrery himself. Mandrakk is supposed to be far more powerful than him and was sad multiple times by multiple characters to be capable of destroying all of existence from Orrery to Monitor Sphere. That puts him at higher multiversal at the very least. If you can't accept that then you are being irrational.
I've never denied the meta stuff. You are misunderstanding what meta means in a battleboarding context
The laziness and disrespect is very insulting. I already responded to this line multiple times.
You act like a kid trying to cover his ears and repeat nonsense in denial because he can't actually make a good answer.
The fact is that none of these people seem to have this information.
What information? Says who? You're seriously making stuff up now.
If you mean the info on the probe, I already gave you a response to that. How do you know they didn't? Why would they say anything if they did?
in the Unexpected he still says that the Monitors are the ones who sent him, not Overvoid. He clearly didn't forget anything about Final Crisis
What makes you think he didn't forget anything? If you read Unexpected again he doesn't seem to remember anything past falling into the Overvoid and ending up in the Dark Multiverse. That's the first thing he talks about when freed and the latest thing he recounts. He doesn't even bring up Ultraman becoming his servant or him confronting Superman a second time.
Clearly Unexpected treated Rox as a different Mandrakk. No big deal, that could easily be explained several ways. Whether Rox Mandrakk being killed prevented those memories from going to Dax Mandrakk, or if the Miracle Machine resetting reality erased those memories.
I would like to add though, even in Unexpected where he was stared of Bleed and only fed on the literal blood of some characters instead, he was treated as a Multiversal threat who could potentially destroy all creation if he got his hands on Bleed again.
he probe story is no longer canon.
Again, the probe story was never canon to the DC Multiverse in the first place. The Nil story where he was part of a race and had a family was. That was the story the Flaw made for him. The Hyper-story has complete control over him. It could retcon and do anything so he won't remember anyway.
Retcons can retroactively remove things from canon, like the probe story. It never happened in DC period.
Exactly, in Final Crisis, the concept of retcons and canon are used as plot points. The probe story is outside of DC's story/canon/continuity. The fluid nature of DC's continuity allowed it to retroactively give him a new canon story without him knowing and can rewrite and change him at will for the sake of story.
Heck in general DC is very self-aware of its fluid continuity and changes. All previous canons have been acknowledged to exist or have existed before. That's also one of the larger points of Doomsday Clock.
Yep I remember, I thought it was kind of weird, since I already knew what you were saying, but you have a bad habit of thinking other people don't understand you when they simply disagree and you haven't shown evidence.
See, this is where you show your arrogance. You're hilariously wrong.
The fact that you said "Zillo knew him pre-contamination" and "Okay. You said it was before the contamination, now it isn't." show you are being confused but your stuck up pride and stubbornness won't admit it.
I can recount my explanation again to you but you either still won't get it or refuse to either due to pride or due to bias against it. If you do, then explain it back to me in your own words including how those above questions are easily answered when you do.
But if you need hint, Zillo and every other Monitor are products of that origin retconned by the infection. His entire past with them is made from that, and it's a past that can be continuously changed by the Flaw that spawned it in the first place. The Monitors in this story could have easily been the ones to send him to investigate the Multiverse since they existed before the Bleed contamination in this story.
I guess you can say there two moments where he was infected (when really it's 1 moment that exists in both realities). One that lead to the creation of his new past, and one that lead to him becoming Mandrakk. With that there are "two" times he investigated the Flaw. Once as the probe and another to map the Multiverse and bring Bleed to Nil. But again. In reality he only investigated it once, but the event remained intact and given new context under the reality of Nil.
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