Is X-23 faster than Wolverine ?

Wolverine/X-23 experts

@jay_z94@warlockmage@thewatcherking

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Character statements are not always reliable

Yes, she is faster but only because Wolverine's adamantium skeleton hinders part of his speed due to its heaviness, but he is still hella fast.

Yes

Naturally she would be faster since she doesn't have an adamantium skeleton she has to move around.

sometimes they are just observations or personal opinions.

This is debatable. By statements X-23 is faster but Wolverine does have comparable and even better speed feats. X-23 has blocked bullets with her claws, but Logan has blocked sniper rounds with his body before X-23 could react. In that same instance they had just fought and Logan while holding back was capable of dodging X-23's hits while she was moving at blur speed. I can post scans when I'm on my laptop. As @All-Father has already mentioned, character statements aren't always reliable.

More agile maybe, but not faster.

Well to be fair that is legacy and this is a less experienced wolverine. During target X this happened:

So it seems they both have showings suggesting the other is faster.

no a holding back Wolverine was casually dodging her, and Wolverine's speed feats blow hers out of the water.

Spider-Man and Kaine have both stated they were surprised and worried about Wolverine's speed... Peter was mocking X-23 the whole time in their battle and she only tagged him once because she got lucky

even OML is faster than X-23 by feats now

May I ask where is this from?

Nah

And superior Spiderman beat the living daylights out of Logan without even trying, so perhaps that worry isn't as well placed.

That really doesn't prove anything, Peter mocks and jokes around with everyone he fights, thats part of his style. Plus, she 'got lucky' by taking him through a skylight and pinned him to the ground.

heh lol way to use massive lowballing... Wolverine has casually no sold blows from Venom on multiple occasions... so unless you are going to make the claim Spider-Man > Venom i would at least do more research before you comment.

she tackled him through a spotlight, Wolverine has pinned Spider-Man just by tagging him before

seems to me Wolverine did it casually, against a pissed off Spider-Man, where as X-23 got lucky after being easily dodged multiple times... oh and notice how Wolverine casually no sold Spider-Man's punch, thats what usually happens when Spider-Man hits him, you would of course know this if you knew what consistency meant, but i suppose thats asking too much.

but come on Outside, i could do this all day with you. You make it too easy

@warlockmage: Spider-man wasn't acting rationally in that scan. He still hadn't accepted that captain america had died and wolverine was trying to get Peter to accept it.

Generations:Wolverine and All New Wolverine

@thewatcherking: thank you good sir

that doesnt make him any slower or any weaker... its still Wolverine pinning him, and Spider-Man acting irrationally only makes it more impressive.

Actually it kind of does. Daredevil beat spider-man because he was irrational and than admitted he wouldn't have stood a chance if Peter was acting rationally.

Did someone pee in your breakfast this morning? Or are you always like this? But lets set things straight:

• Spiderman is actually massively strong, far stronger in fact that most of the X-Men and he's super fast as a result, so him beating Logan stupid isn't PIS, lowballing or anything of the sort, it's just for once admitting that Parker is actually capable of this. So if Logan isn't flying through the room if Peter punches him, it's because Peter isn't trying. Same with his reflexes, he can dodge just about anything unless he starts letting his brain getting involved, so again if he isn't dodging Logan, it's because he doesn't want to.

Potatoe potatoe, they both managed the same thing by charging into him. In Logans case there might have been a wall behind Peter, in Laura's there was a skylight.

The consistency here, the one you are missing like a champ, is that Peter is a nice guy, and as such he doesn't go all in even if he's upset. Or you know he is going all in when he is upset.

@jashro44: Yeah that scan with X-23 and Logan was the one I was referencing.

@jashro44 said:

Well to be fair that is legacy and this is a less experienced wolverine. During target X this happened:

So it seems they both have showings suggesting the other is faster.

I would add, this scan kinda proves they are equally fast (which was something Laura was trained/designed/conditioned to be).

@jashro44 said:

Well to be fair that is legacy and this is a less experienced wolverine. During target X this happened:

So it seems they both have showings suggesting the other is faster.

There's another scan where Wolverine just catches Laura's claws and shouts "Enough! You're fast, I'm faster. You got claws... snikt Welcome to the club."

@outside_85: You are lowballing Wolverine way too hard here. Peter is faster, but Logan has still tagged him and dodges blows from him on multiple occasions, so the gap isn't that big at all.

Also, Logan has taken blows from Spider-Man on atleast 5 different occasions (even when amped, angry or going all out), taken hits from Kaine and Venom (who are both his physical superiors) as well as taken hits from Mid Tiers and High Tiers, all without being KOed. So that SpOck showing is factually a low showing for Wolverine. The bottom line is that consistently speaking, Spider-Man cannot KO Logan, he can only beat him through the use of his webbing.

@the_hajduk: I heard there is some kind of context to that scan and it wasn't a real fight.

Oh for gods sake, Logan isn't physically on Peter's level any more than he is on Colossus', please wake up and smell the coffee.

The context was that Laura had been stalking Logan in the X-mansion for a week or so, her mother had warned him that she existed before she was killed, but Logan caught her scent and lead her away from the others. The context is that Logan as such wasn't trying to kill her, more that he wanted to talk sense into her, while knowing she would be trying to kill him.

@outside_85: I wasn't talking about target X. The_hajduk brought up a different feat.

Old man logan is most definitely not faster than X-23, unless you distort context and ignore feats of course.

It wasn't, the fight was staged.

@outside_85: Did I say that Wolverine is physically on Peter's level? How about you calm down and actually read what I'm saying.

Peter is faster, but Logan isn't too far behind based on their outside feats and actual encounters.

Consistently speaking, Peter can not KO Logan. He can only win due to webbing.

Yet you are in the very next sentence. Please read what you are writing before hitting post.

Peter can bash Logan's head repeatedly and get the same effect the Hulk did in WWH. Logan's skull will remain in place by his brain is stil going to end up completely scrambled.

out of curiosity what feats does Old Man Logan have that make him faster than Laura

Marvel's obsession with feminism aside, Logan is still much faster than Laura based on feats and even some showings between the two.

I happen to remember the time when Laura was still at the Facility. She had the same assignment as Weapon X Wolverine, but completed it faster.

@_kingoflatveria:

out of curiosity what feats does Old Man Logan have that make him faster than Laura

Absolutely nothing.

@_kingoflatveria: in Weapon X Weapon H was able to Blitz Laura before she reacted immediately afterwards Logan danced around Weapon H and slashed his eyes out before Weapon H could react.

On my phone tag me again and I'll post feats with issue numbers

@_kingoflatveria:

I sense fanboyism

Then your senses are impaired, I say absolutely nothing because Weapon H was blindsided by logan. When he wasn't weapon H casually reacted to him,and by feats OML is slower than Laura(and in their fight he was).

If we accept things without bothering to look at context then in the same series Laura blitzed sabretooth,who has blitzed OML irrc.

She was also trying to talk him down while Logan tried to kill him.

@outside_85: I forgot trying to talk someone down makes you slower than a snail and prevents you from dodging, it was plainly obvious she couldn't have reacted even if she wanted to

@jashro44: What issue is that scan with Laura and Wolverine fighting from?

X-23 Target X issue #6

@thewatcherking: Thanks

Or you know, she could have been hoping she would get through to him and knowing she had very little chance of causing her any permanent damage.

. . . . still waiting for those Wolverine bullet timing feats.

Yes, she's actually bullet timed

Obvious biased fanboy is obvious. Peter could demolish Logan at will and thats the end of it.

@outside_85:

How is he biased ? He just proved you wrong.

Because he thinks Spiderman can't knock out Wolverine.