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#201 Edited by Yasindermann (1916 posts) - - Show Bio

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@yasindermann: Even Marvel writers used semi-realistic explanations for higher dimensional gravity energy mass etc. They even said the Dark Dimension doesn't have stars planets etc because the orbits are unstable in higher dimensional gravity.

I thought beyonders dimension was infinite in spatial dimensions + infinite in energy content not infinite dimensional energy. Am i wrong?

Thats why i said its nearly always hyborbolic character statements. Characters call themselves beyond this, beyond that even tho they are clearly not like odin being stated to be omnipotent.

Here's the problem: Most fictional authors don't think about science implications, regardless of dimensional implications. So that their absolutely rediculous characters work, they basically make their own rules of dimensions, which is why science implications often get ignored in VS battles in general. So, my english skills are a little bit poor, but did you say that energy make up higher dimensional constructs (According to marvel)? When yes, that just proves my point right, that they're ignoring science implications and that the argument: Energy=dimensionless unit (Which is right in an technical meaning) doesn't apply here.

First off, you're right, Beyonder is the embodiment of infinite spatial dimensions. See here:

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But it was never stated that his energy is just infinite in content, actually. So, by evidance, it's better to assume that he hold infinite-dimensional energy, since it was often stated that his energy basically makes up his infinite-dimensional multiverse. No evidance speaks for the fact that his energy is just infinite in content.

To be fair, something like infinite higher dimensions is mathematically not possible.

When we talk about the beyond-realm, it seems like energy is a dimensionality in this context.

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#202 Posted by deactivated-5d4adf239fe0d (11 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes vs battles and superherodatabase is both 120% reliable. (This should not be up for debate).

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#203 Posted by NWName (5250 posts) - - Show Bio

@yasindermann: Higher dimensional constructs (matter) is actually made out of energy as well. The number of dimensions of a matter depends on how many dimensions its dimensionless components (or one dimensional strings) can move in. So basically beyonder is infinite dimensional matter that encompasses his entire dimension. And he definitely has or had pre retcon infinite energy since he is multiversal.

Infinite is not even a number. In most context tho it is simply used to mean an arbitrarily large amount. But it is mathematically possible, mathematically its also possible to get even bigger infinities.

In any case Pre retcon Beyonder appears to have (smallest) infinite power + extreme reality warping. I never saw proof of a somewhat known character going beyond the smallest infinity except Umineko which actually reaches to the second infinity buts its cosmology and dimensional workings are so weird its logically impossible to compare that verse to other verses. So any infinite/multiversal i know has equal raw power with varying levels of authority over their respective realities.

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#204 Edited by Cramem (401 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, the word "Infinite",in comics, is overused.

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Marvel: New york city has an infinite number of buildings

Vs battles: **Powerscaling intensifies**

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@yasindermann: Higher dimensional constructs (matter) is actually made out of energy as well. The number of dimensions of a matter depends on how many dimensions its dimensionless components (or one dimensional strings) can move in. So basically beyonder is infinite dimensional matter that encompasses his entire dimension. And he definitely has or had pre retcon infinite energy since he is multiversal.

Infinite is not even a number. In most context tho it is simply used to mean an arbitrarily large amount. But it is mathematically possible, mathematically its also possible to get even bigger infinities.

In any case Pre retcon Beyonder appears to have (smallest) infinite power + extreme reality warping. I never saw proof of a somewhat known character going beyond the smallest infinity except Umineko which actually reaches to the second infinity buts its cosmology and dimensional workings are so weird its logically impossible to compare that verse to other verses. So any infinite/multiversal i know has equal raw power with varying levels of authority over their respective realities.

See, fiction don't care about science implications. Dimensional tiering was always about being bigger.

If energy is an dimensionless unit (Which is technically true), how can be one dimension in marvel be more complex than the other one? Even if energy is an dimensionless unit, in marvel, DC, Umineko, etc. a dimension still get's define by complexity and size, which implies a dimensionality, since they use higher dimensional constructs. It isn't about energy, it's about complexity and size.

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#206 Posted by NWName (5250 posts) - - Show Bio

@yasindermann: Fiction doesnt care about it being bigger or a 4D geometrical shape having “hyper volume” either. Just Marvel hell Lords having different number of dimensions and Dormammu having hypervolume infinitely higher than Eternity who is just space-time of 616 means marvel is closer to the scientific side than the “pseudo science meets geometry” type logic. Just because a character has higher number of dimensions doesnt make him more powerful. Not normally, not in Marvel and not in most verses. Hell, MCU teserract is supposedly 4D does that mean its volume is bigger than the universe and MCU Thanos has multiversal strength? The only verse that operates with “bigger” is stronger type logic is umineko,

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#207 Edited by Yasindermann (1916 posts) - - Show Bio

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@yasindermann: Fiction doesnt care about it being bigger or a 4D geometrical shape having “hyper volume” either. Just Marvel hell Lords having different number of dimensions and Dormammu having hypervolume infinitely higher than Eternity who is just space-time of 616 means marvel is closer to the scientific side than the “pseudo science meets geometry” type logic. Just because a character has higher number of dimensions doesnt make him more powerful. Not normally, not in Marvel and not in most verses. Hell, MCU teserract is supposedly 4D does that mean its volume is bigger than the universe and MCU Thanos has multiversal strength? The only verse that operates with “bigger” is stronger type logic is umineko,

Our tiering system is based on fictional verses rules, so I am well aware of the fact that lower dimensional beings can defeat higher ones, but it's often the case that too that one character transcend an existence plain are stronger than characters from lower existence plain (Doesn't matter if it reffers to space-time or a zone out of space-time). We especially use or tiering system if two fictional verses are against each other.

Examples:

Some character creates an baseline infinite multiverse....How does that help against the marvel multiverse, when an infinite multiverse get's created in an instant (Or better, how does that help against Multi-Eternity). Our tiering system isn't just ''Muh! Higher dimension!'' It's way more complicated that that. We also take feats into account. Our tiering system is especially effective when we talk about fictional verse vs other fictional verse.

Ok, now to you're example:

If some lower dimensional being demonstrates that he can beat an higher dimensional being in his verse, yeah, then you're assumption is right. But to say that lower dimensional beings can beat higher dimensional beings based on nothing is stupid. On that route, you can say that an universal character beats a guy who is infinite-dimensional, just because he didn't demonstrate that he can destroy a universe, despite the fact that it was said thousand times that he is way higher than that level. But if someone transcends infinite dimensions and get's beat by an universal 3-D being (Which is nowhere the case), than a guy who is infinite baseline multiversal in another fiction can beat him too, since feats.

I can't explain it further, since I'm under stress right now.

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#208 Posted by johnsmjs36 (1017 posts) - - Show Bio

@yasindermann: Zara has created his own page of Xianxia and in one of the weaker main characters Xue Ying is above 5D but his AP is not hkgh. He cannot destroy a 5 dimensional structure not yet any way. Since, he is 5D another user argues in a battle that he has to be as high as Mxy but Zara argues against it because in VSwiki system ge would be High 2A but because of his feats and attack potency Zara views him as 2B. It waz quite funny

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#209 Posted by Yasindermann (1916 posts) - - Show Bio

@yasindermann: Zara has created his own page of Xianxia and in one of the weaker main characters Xue Ying is above 5D but his AP is not hkgh. He cannot destroy a 5 dimensional structure not yet any way. Since, he is 5D another user argues in a battle that he has to be as high as Mxy but Zara argues against it because in VSwiki system ge would be High 2A but because of his feats and attack potency Zara views him as 2B. It waz quite funny

Yeah. Shitty vs BATTLE wiki system. Existing on something doesn't mean AP sometimes in fiction, nor in real life. That's like to say 5-dimensional normal human can destroy 3-dimensional universe, despite the fact that extra-dimensions can get rolled up into tiny planck lenghts.

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#210 Posted by NWName (5250 posts) - - Show Bio

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@yasindermann: Fiction doesnt care about it being bigger or a 4D geometrical shape having “hyper volume” either. Just Marvel hell Lords having different number of dimensions and Dormammu having hypervolume infinitely higher than Eternity who is just space-time of 616 means marvel is closer to the scientific side than the “pseudo science meets geometry” type logic. Just because a character has higher number of dimensions doesnt make him more powerful. Not normally, not in Marvel and not in most verses. Hell, MCU teserract is supposedly 4D does that mean its volume is bigger than the universe and MCU Thanos has multiversal strength? The only verse that operates with “bigger” is stronger type logic is umineko,

Our tiering system is based on fictional verses rules, so I am well aware of the fact that lower dimensional beings can defeat higher ones, but it's often the case that too that one character transcend an existence plain are stronger than characters from lower existence plain (Doesn't matter if it reffers to space-time or a zone out of space-time). We especially use or tiering system if two fictional verses are against each other.

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Yes they are often superior but not infinitely not even close. And in most verses there is no such rule to say a 7D being is > 4D being. Dormammu not being infinitely above Galactus or Eternity is proof enough for Marvel. Its a rule, it just so happens that being that come from a higher plane are usually pretty strong. Nearly never infinitely strong tho. What do you mean "we" ?

Examples:

Some character creates an baseline infinite multiverse....How does that help against the marvel multiverse, when an infinite multiverse get's created in an instant (Or better, how does that help against Multi-Eternity). Our tiering system isn't just ''Muh! Higher dimension!'' It's way more complicated that that. We also take feats into account. Our tiering system is especially effective when we talk about fictional verse vs other fictional verse.

What do you mean by baseline infinite multiverse? ∞ x ∞ is still baseline infinite. You can get bigger infinities via power sets like 2^2^2^∞. A multiverse with infinite and infinite x a billion universes is the same size. It doesn't matter if you multiply infinity. So what ever the baseline multiversal is, its equal to Marvel multiverse unless Marvel multiverse provably has size in a higher power set of base infinity.

Ok, now to you're example:

If some lower dimensional being demonstrates that he can beat an higher dimensional being in his verse, yeah, then you're assumption is right. But to say that lower dimensional beings can beat higher dimensional beings based on nothing is stupid. On that route, you can say that an universal character beats a guy who is infinite-dimensional, just because he didn't demonstrate that he can destroy a universe, despite the fact that it was said thousand times that he is way higher than that level. But if someone transcends infinite dimensions and get's beat by an universal 3-D being (Which is nowhere the case), than a guy who is infinite baseline multiversal in another fiction can beat him too, since feats.

There is no reason to put a higher D being or a higher D multiverse at above others by default. They need to prove they are above human level wall level etc and the multiverses need to be proven to be above countably infinite.

I can't explain it further, since I'm under stress right now.

Sorry to hear that

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#211 Posted by johnsmjs36 (1017 posts) - - Show Bio

@yasindermann: Yeah unknown verse get really bad rep there. Rimuru gets the worst of all. There are only like 6 real Tensei slime supporters and they have to fend of almost everyone. It doesn't use any dimensional bs. The supporters have provided proof to every feats and abilities yet they get the most flak in their. Most of the users are reasonable but there are rotten apples with 2C Kaguya and universal Yhwach. There are reasonable mods like Ant who has in the past that their system is rigid and outdated but there are also those mods who despite multiple proofs that a Dao contains infinite dimensions and each Dao greater ( There is a whole statement of Meng Hao after ascending sees Spatial dimensions increasing to infinity in a Dao) because as he likes to say he doesn't see it. In short, there are unreasonable people but there ae also those who use logic. Also the Warhammer wank is high there like above Beyonder and LT level high.

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#212 Edited by Yasindermann (1916 posts) - - Show Bio

@nwgzsjuwhm96y2 said:
@yasindermann said:
@nwgzsjuwhm96y2 said:

@yasindermann: Fiction doesnt care about it being bigger or a 4D geometrical shape having “hyper volume” either. Just Marvel hell Lords having different number of dimensions and Dormammu having hypervolume infinitely higher than Eternity who is just space-time of 616 means marvel is closer to the scientific side than the “pseudo science meets geometry” type logic. Just because a character has higher number of dimensions doesnt make him more powerful. Not normally, not in Marvel and not in most verses. Hell, MCU teserract is supposedly 4D does that mean its volume is bigger than the universe and MCU Thanos has multiversal strength? The only verse that operates with “bigger” is stronger type logic is umineko,

Our tiering system is based on fictional verses rules, so I am well aware of the fact that lower dimensional beings can defeat higher ones, but it's often the case that too that one character transcend an existence plain are stronger than characters from lower existence plain (Doesn't matter if it reffers to space-time or a zone out of space-time). We especially use or tiering system if two fictional verses are against each other.

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Yes they are often superior but not infinitely not even close. And in most verses there is no such rule to say a 7D being is > 4D being. Dormammu not being infinitely above Galactus or Eternity is proof enough for Marvel. Its a rule, it just so happens that being that come from a higher plane are usually pretty strong. Nearly never infinitely strong tho. What do you mean "we" ?

Examples:

Some character creates an baseline infinite multiverse....How does that help against the marvel multiverse, when an infinite multiverse get's created in an instant (Or better, how does that help against Multi-Eternity). Our tiering system isn't just ''Muh! Higher dimension!'' It's way more complicated that that. We also take feats into account. Our tiering system is especially effective when we talk about fictional verse vs other fictional verse.

What do you mean by baseline infinite multiverse? ∞ x ∞ is still baseline infinite. You can get bigger infinities via power sets like 2^2^2^∞. A multiverse with infinite and infinite x a billion universes is the same size. It doesn't matter if you multiply infinity. So what ever the baseline multiversal is, its equal to Marvel multiverse unless Marvel multiverse provably has size in a higher power set of base infinity.

Ok, now to you're example:

If some lower dimensional being demonstrates that he can beat an higher dimensional being in his verse, yeah, then you're assumption is right. But to say that lower dimensional beings can beat higher dimensional beings based on nothing is stupid. On that route, you can say that an universal character beats a guy who is infinite-dimensional, just because he didn't demonstrate that he can destroy a universe, despite the fact that it was said thousand times that he is way higher than that level. But if someone transcends infinite dimensions and get's beat by an universal 3-D being (Which is nowhere the case), than a guy who is infinite baseline multiversal in another fiction can beat him too, since feats.

There is no reason to put a higher D being or a higher D multiverse at above others by default. They need to prove they are above human level wall level etc and the multiverses need to be proven to be above countably infinite.

I can't explain it further, since I'm under stress right now.

Sorry to hear that

You don't have to be sorry.

But here: There are multiple people who uses ''our'' tiering system (Norsewinter, ZGTfreak, etc.).

Baseline infinite multiverse is an multiverse with simply infinite universes....No higher dimensional constructs (According to fictional verses and it's definition). I am well aware that infinite x a billion universes is technically still baseline infinite, but that wasn't the point. The point is that there are things in terminology in marvel, DC, Umineko, etc. that get's treated more impressive than that, like megaversal (An infinite number of baseline multiverses, which is, in an fictional meaning infinite bigger than infinite baseline multiversal), metaversal (Infinite-dimensional multiverse), etc. Not to mention logicism still doesn't apply to fiction. Beyond-realm was called bigger than the marvel multiverse. (6 billion times, since of the drop of water in the ocean statement). In that case here, it doesn't follow the rules of the theoretical power set of infinite. There are enough examples of it. If the Beyonder is really just infinite baseline multiversal infinite (Or infinite-dimensional infinite, LOL), he would get smacked around by Living Tribunal, since Beyonder would be on an level with Multi-Eternity then. So, even if it's the same size according to logic, it still was bigger according to marvel.

And I will repeat it again, our tiering system is based on fictional rules. There is no right and wrong after all, since fictional verses have their own rules. If we just apply one system to other fictional verses it's basically be unfair. Especially logic, since it doesn't apply here. A dude who surpasses an entity that is infinite multiversal by an infinite amount is logically stronger than a dude who surpasses an entity that is infinite multiversal by an finite amount (Finite amount reffers to entity's who can put up a fight with an infinite multiversal being and win. Seriously, if an set ∞ + random number is always the same, how do infinite multiversal entities often get beaten by beings stronger than them, if ∞ + random numer is always the same? This is a massive contradiction).

So, if megaversal (a.k.a infinite number of infinite baseline multiverses) get's treated more impressive than one infinite baseline multiverse in termimology, why should we just dismiss this idea, because of logic, if fiction clearly ignores logic in many cases? Applying an infinite multiversal to an megaversal feat is stupid NLF. Even if it's not bigger according to logic, it's bigger according to fiction.

This debate is over for me. I will not respond after this (Probably, lol)

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#213 Posted by Yasindermann (1916 posts) - - Show Bio

@yasindermann: Yeah unknown verse get really bad rep there. Rimuru gets the worst of all. There are only like 6 real Tensei slime supporters and they have to fend of almost everyone. It doesn't use any dimensional bs. The supporters have provided proof to every feats and abilities yet they get the most flak in their. Most of the users are reasonable but there are rotten apples with 2C Kaguya and universal Yhwach. There are reasonable mods like Ant who has in the past that their system is rigid and outdated but there are also those mods who despite multiple proofs that a Dao contains infinite dimensions and each Dao greater ( There is a whole statement of Meng Hao after ascending sees Spatial dimensions increasing to infinity in a Dao) because as he likes to say he doesn't see it. In short, there are unreasonable people but there ae also those who use logic. Also the Warhammer wank is high there like above Beyonder and LT level high.

I heard that the warp is a infinite-dimensional cosmology. This mod named ant, is he still a mod? Becaue VS battle wiki is well known for absolutely spite, becuase you don't like their tiering system.

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#214 Posted by johnsmjs36 (1017 posts) - - Show Bio

@yasindermann: Yes. He is actually still a mod. He doesn't outright say it but everytime a new update is requested just benefiting from the system and not the cosmology of the verse he shows his displeasure. Still, that is the nature of tge warp. The warp

Creates the Chaos Gods but the chaos hods himself don't deserve the tier.

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#215 Posted by Yasindermann (1916 posts) - - Show Bio

@yasindermann: Yes. He is actually still a mod. He doesn't outright say it but everytime a new update is requested just benefiting from the system and not the cosmology of the verse he shows his displeasure. Still, that is the nature of tge warp. The warp

Creates the Chaos Gods but the chaos hods himself don't deserve the tier.

Tiering system implies cosmology, since VS battle wiki tiering system is based on cosmology. So, actually, no one in Warhammer 40k is above the warp or have the power to manipulate something like the warp?

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#217 Edited by Yasindermann (1916 posts) - - Show Bio

Wait a minute, did you say the warp is boundless? I wouldn't listen to that. Boundless, a.k.a no boundaries means omnipotent. Many fictional character get stated to be boundless and still get their ass kicked. It's like with the statement omnipotent basically. The warp has surperior cosmology's across all fiction, so to call it boundless is not that smart.

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#218 Posted by johnsmjs36 (1017 posts) - - Show Bio

@yasindermann: That's what written for Khorne's profile in the Wiki but it probably means boundaries as in area.

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#219 Posted by Yasindermann (1916 posts) - - Show Bio

@yasindermann: That's what written for Khorne's profile in the Wiki but it probably means boundaries as in area.

Oh, ok. Thank you!

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#220 Edited by Yasindermann (1916 posts) - - Show Bio

@johnsmjs36: VS battle wiki goons simply don't understand that ''boundless'' means that characters are not bound by any limit. So, how do characters that are outversal in VS battle wiki get their ass kicked thousand times? Their outversal tiering doesn't even make sense in an theoretical meaning.

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#221 Posted by zgtfreak (2637 posts) - - Show Bio

@nwgzsjuwhm96y2: Umineko which actually reaches to the second infinity buts its cosmology and dimensional workings are so weird its logically impossible to compare that verse to other verses.

You're listening too much to Norsewinter/Sungsam. Umineko's cosmology is different in comparison to other verses, but it can be compared. Also I have discovered new info that makes Umineko reach the third to forth infinite-D, and am making an RT on it right now.

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#222 Posted by Yasindermann (1916 posts) - - Show Bio

@zgtfreak: So, Umineko is third or fourth infinite-D? I'm exicted about the RT now.

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#223 Edited by NWName (5250 posts) - - Show Bio

@zgtfreak: A character says an infinite sized 2D matter has no mass at all in 3D space which is definitely not normal. If thats not just a bullshit character statement and actually true you can not compare umineko to any other verse at all. I doubt it reaches anything beyond second iinfinity in any case. Waiting for RT now.

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#224 Posted by Aversionofthee (116 posts) - - Show Bio

LOL no.

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#225 Posted by MrMind (35 posts) - - Show Bio

I love vsbattles

they showed DC superiority to Marvel that makes Marvel fanboys squirm

you have more than 10 1-A in DC, only oblivion who's 1-A in Marvel

you have 2 tier 0 in DC, only 1 tier 0 in Marvel (who's now retconned lol)

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#226 Posted by ShadowRazer24 (455 posts) - - Show Bio

it's not reliable.

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#227 Edited by zgtfreak (2637 posts) - - Show Bio

@nwgzsjuwhm96y2: and actually true you can not compare umineko to any other verse at all.

That statement is true, but how does it make it not comparable? Dimensions work differently from fiction to fiction all the time. FYI, Umineko characters can interact and control lower dimensions via magic.

I doubt it reaches anything beyond second iinfinity in any case.

Same here, until I accidentally stumbled across a scan while making my RT.

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#228 Posted by TheAnimal666 (106 posts) - - Show Bio

No, it's not reliable. "hurr duurr Infinite speed multiversal Castlevania characters hurr durrr"...


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#229 Edited by Cramem (401 posts) - - Show Bio

Those who like vsbatlles do it because their favorite characters are wanked, there.

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#230 Posted by DarkDementor101 (799 posts) - - Show Bio

@cramem: why would that matter though? If your character is being wanked, then so will all the others, essentially making the character wank meaningless.

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#231 Posted by TheAnimal666 (106 posts) - - Show Bio

@cramem said:

Those who like vsbatlles do it because their favorite characters are wanked, there.

Those wikis (vsbattles and the OBD) are full of crap lol

It's like they don't have the ability to understand the source material

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#232 Edited by Yasindermann (1916 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh, and another fun fact:

Appareantly, VS battle wiki thinks that wave functions=infinite-dimensional, when wave functions are a function/concept in quantum mechanics, which is based on 10-dimensional space. It's rediculous on next level. Quantum mechanics is literally 10-dimensional. How are wave functions infinite-dimensional? It literally has no fundamental. It is simply stupid. SIGH.

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#233 Posted by TheSpartanB345T (5022 posts) - - Show Bio

Nope lmao.

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#235 Edited by Supermanfan1938 (392 posts) - - Show Bio

Sometimes. They wank the hell out of game characters and most of their calcs seem wonky. Their dimensional tiering makes no sense. But better than OBD at least, where MCU Iron Man gets scaled to planet level lmao

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#236 Edited by Yasindermann (1916 posts) - - Show Bio

I also heard they said: Vector dimensions=megaverse, when megaverse is not even based on a higher dimensionality. So to measure the size of a megaverse by using vector dimensions is stupid. There isn't a term like ''Megaverse'' in vector space, it's a fictional term, lol. A megaverse doesn't even necesarrily contain an infinite layered cosmological model or higher dimensions at all. More of a stupid reason to automatically scale vector dimensions to megaverses. Megaverse doesn't fullfill the criteria of vector dimensions or any higher dimensional theory, since it doesn't contain higher dimensional model or structure.

They basically say non-higher dimensional space is higher dimensional space. Shit doesn't make any sense.

Megaverse doesn't apply to real life theories.

(Accidentally deleted this comment, lol.)

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#238 Edited by Yasindermann (1916 posts) - - Show Bio

Is that post directed to me? I use a tiering system to, but it's different from those weebs who just use outversal wank to make their anime characters stronger than comic characters and M-theory. My tiering system is based on terms in fiction.

But anyway, vector dimensions=megaverses shows that they don't know what they are talking about. I say it again: Megaverse is not based on higher dimensionality. A megaverse, in it's nature, doesn't contain higher dimensions. And exactly that's the reason why scale vector dimensions to megaverses is simply dumb. Megaverse isn't based on the concept of higher dimensions, but vector dimensions are. Megaverse simply doesn't fullfill the creteria of vector dimensions. It's a whole different concept.

Send me a prove of: ''145-D megaversal or infinite-dimensional megaversal'' and ''Vector dimension=Group of multiverses with 3-D axix''. I wait. It even contradict itself. By an infinite-dimensional construct, it's not even considered megaversal anymore.

I mean, I use the term ''megaverse'' in my tiering system too, since it's there to describe multiple multiverses which is getting used in multiple verses, but I'm not for stupid reasoning like: ''Megaverse=vector dimensions''.

VS battle wiki poisens the mind of many poor debaters.

I agree with you. I think these fancalcs have leaded to things like: ''Wolverine=solar system level''.

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#239 Posted by Supermanfan1938 (392 posts) - - Show Bio

Their dimensional tiering is weird and their fan calcs are shaky which leads to multiversal video game characters. But otherwise they're pretty okay and have a general idea where some characters fall under.

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#240 Posted by TheAnimal666 (106 posts) - - Show Bio

@supermanfan1938: I don't think that's okay when every single character and their mothers are hypersonic.

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#241 Posted by TheAnimal666 (106 posts) - - Show Bio

@yasindermann: No. It's not directed to you. Or do you consider yourself the heir of Vsbattlewiki ?

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#242 Posted by Supermanfan1938 (392 posts) - - Show Bio

@supermanfan1938: I don't think that's okay when every single character and their mothers are hypersonic.

They wank the shit out of speed I agree.

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#243 Posted by TheAnimal666 (106 posts) - - Show Bio

@supermanfan1938: And their attack potency/durability ratings makes no sense at all. I think that no characters should be "classified" this way. The official handbooks of Marvel, Valiant and Invincible doesn't use this.

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#244 Posted by Supermanfan1938 (392 posts) - - Show Bio

@supermanfan1938: And their attack potency/durability ratings makes no sense at all. I think that no characters should be "classified" this way. The official handbooks of Marvel, Valiant and Invincible doesn't use this.

Okay maybe VS Battles is mostly nonsense, I guess it's better not to take it too seriously