While the animation route is, stated earlier, supposedly just for kids, this hasn't limited the prospect of an adult superhero cartoon. Anyone remember the Spawn cartoon on HBO? Prime example. If the guys at DC weren't too chicken for this, they could have followed the same route as Spawn and then we could have had an animated "Crisis on Infinite Earths" miniseries on something like HBO or Showtime, like they did with "The Pacific", "John Adams", or right now, "Boardwalk Empire".
TV is a great fit for comic books when you consider both work with serialized story telling. The movies work so hard to cram so much into two hours or so. Television would work better for developing characters instead of cramming character cameos. Plus the creators could tackle the bigger stories while still being able to focus on smaller ones.
At least to me, television makes just as much (if not more) sense for comic book storytelling as films. Then again, shows like Batman (Adam West), Incredible Hulk, and really even Smallville deviated from some of the themes and stories the fans look forward to most. If comic book shows could be faithful adaptations like Walking Dead or even some of the animated shows, I think they would be an even bigger success on the small screen.
Just because Walking dead is making it doesn't mean its a new breeding ground for comics, every single form of media is been taken apart of by comics, its due to rising technology (this couldn't happen like it is now 60 years ago...). On that note i hope the success of walking dead will prompt a studio to take up invincible comics...
" I feel that Watchmen should have been a 12 episode limited series on TV instead of a film. "Hmm...Alan Moore asked for stuff like that a decade ago but he couldn't get it...
"I feel that Watchmen should have been a 12 episode limited series on TV instead of a film. "
Comic shows have pretty much always been on tv. More often than not as cartoons (which makes sense), but I can't tell ya any given time in the last 20 years that there hasn' been at least 1 show loosly based on a comic runnin. Live action wise... seriously, there's been how many superman related shows? Not really news. ^_^
I think TV is a better outlet for comics. The only down side is the cost of FX.
But I have always thought X-Men would work best as a "Heroes", "Buffy" styled TV series.
No costumes since they are meant to be normal humans with mutant powers.
ArtisticNeedham's Blog: Live Action X-Men TV Series Idea
Then I was thinking this could work with Spider-Man, a better version than the old live action one.
Same with SHAZAM, or any of those other shows.
So, I am game for more comic/TV stuff.
It's all about the FX I think. Walking Dead works because it's mostly practical FX, and the CG that is there is used sparingly. I haven't read all of Y, but it looked to me like it would be on the lower CG end as well.
Superhero stories rely on the big battles, and things getting destroyed left, right, and center, so therefore, are better suited to Hollywood mega-budgets. Some of the street-level characters could probably work as a TV series however, like Iron Fist, Punisher, and Moon Knight...
I've always liked my comics on the tv and the big screen. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy reading them on the pages too, but its just a different experience when you get to see some of your favorite characters brought to life. I'm hoping for many more tv shows in the future, and although we're nearing an end for Smallville, I hope its just a beginning for Superman.
Obviously some stories work better in a serial format than a movie (even a trilogy. WHEN will Hollywood learn that trilogies aren't always the answer?! Just because it worked for Star Wars, Back to the Future and Indiana Jones doesn't mean it's a good idea for everything!) Sometimes you get those happy surprises; for example I always thought Watchmen would work as a TV show and that the movie was doomed to disappoint everyone who never read it and everyone who read it, loved it, and wanted a picture perfect adaptation. And while that may or may not be true, I thought it was a solid B+ movie as did a buddy of mine who never even heard of the book. I think anyone who wants a Sandman movie should be kicked out of comics fandom forever( even on the "ideal" stipulations that Neil Gaiman would have to write the screenplay AND it could be a trilogy). There can be no good way to turn 75 issues into between 90 minutes and at 540 minutes. If you cut out some of the parts that don't contribute to the story as a whole (like A Dream of A Thousand Cats or Ramadan) then you cut out some of the best stories of the series. On the other hand, I think Sandman would make an amazing adult oriented cartoon (i'm a little less convinced it could work live action).
I think that if a story is self-contained it is easier to organize into a serial fashion. If you have a movie you have limited time and that leads to the the common problems of comic book movies, not establishing your characters, rushing the story, and having to rewrite /cut the confusing parts for new viewers. Pacing a story that was spread out anywhere from 10 to over 100 issues never feels right in a movie, usually BECAUSE stuff gets cut out. If you have a tv show, you have a transfinite amount of time (provided that your show gets picked up) so you can DEVOTE time to establishing your characters and you can pace episodes the same way they were done in the comics, or fix it if it was not done right the first time. You may have to cut certain things because they involve crossovers/tie-ins in what is essentially a stand-alone continuity, but without a stopwatch you can get more in.
For example, if you wanted to make Iron Man Demon in a Bottle a season of a tv show as opposed to just having the deleted opening scene/ the ONE party scene in Iron Man 2, you might cut the Namor parts, the Avengers parts, and all the super villains working for Justin Hammer, but you could do a much BETTER job of having Tony's accidentally killing a diplomat and drinking, and worrying about his competitors and drinking, crashing his armor and binge drinking, and the general shame spiral that happens, and rather than condensing it all into one drunken birthday party. It might be a little more like Mad Men than a big budget action flick, but you'd be able to capture the human drama that is makes Mad Men and The Walking Dead so good. Plus you could either fix the whole "he's sober now one issue later" part, or more believably end the season where he's not sober but he's working on it, and by the time the next season premiers, the audience accepts that time has passed in the show's universe.
I would like to see some really well-done TV series based on a comic books, simply because there are so many good stories that deserve an adaptation on-screen. Usually I look to cartoons for that, and it's still my preferred medium for super-heroes on TV, but I'd like to see people genuinely try!
I think it's actually a good thing for some of the bigger names. Spider-Man shouldn't have a re-booted movie franchise, he should have a TV series.
TV has been the mainstay for comics for a very long time, just happens to be typically in animated format. Episodes translate from issues easier along with the pacing and arcs. Will this happen more? I doubt it because when one goes off the air, something comes back. Remember we have had others that havn't done so well like Blade and Witchblade.
"How many times does the average person want to see a new person get super-powers, then beat the bad guy in a two hour film? This formula needs to change. With Smallville ending soon, and Walking Dead just beginning, it seems the doors are finally opening to the world of comic books.Don't forget that Disney just said that they are developing three live-action Marvel series...
Really? THAT is the title you are going with for this article? The NEW Outlet? You mentioned Smallville, but what about "Human Target"? "Supernatural" ? "The Walking Dead" ? The pic of George Reeves speaks for itself, not to mention the countless titles that have come and gone over the past several decades. I grew up watching everything from the live-action Spider-man (*shiver*) to Wonder Woman, The Incredible Hulk (easily in my top 3 greatest tv series of all-time), The Lone Ranger, live-action Batman (repeats I'm not THAT old!), and the countless animated cartoons with masked heroes and vigilantes. TV is certainly not a new outlet to comic books. It's just the simple fact of the old saying, "What goes around comes around."
I will agree that there are far more comic book-based TV shows nowadays, but remember there are also TONS of more TV channels than there were 20-40 years ago! I'm just happy to be able to watch something decent on TV and not be subjected to that "Jersey Shore" and other reality crap. Alright, so I'm a sucker for "Hell's Kitchen", but that's where I draw the line. Nothing beats hearing Chef Gordon Ramsey yell, "DONKEY!" at his employees.
There is certainly some mileage to be gotten from TV. But in the end, many things that you can do in comics you aren't allowed to do on TV. While industry hasn't taken full advantage of the medium; I think direct to DVD/BluRay movies are probably where the sweet spot is. But perhaps the numerous EXCELLENT DC movies have biased me.
I think TV is definitely a good medium for comic books properties. Its not only about big blockbuster movies, but what you can put out there on a consistant bases that is high quality and that will bring something everyone will enjoy in. Do I think you'll see a flood of "superhero" comics brought to the small screen, no, but I do think you'll see more comics like Walking Dead brought into the TV fold.
I like to think TV is a better way to adapt on-going comics than movies.
Just for the serial aspect alone!
Plus tv writers are currently a heck better than movie writers. Can you imagine that, there was 4 writers on Transformers 2 for what the result was?? And all a lot more paid than, say, the ones on Fringe (the tv series)'s season 2?
Also, I feared an adaptation of Y: The Last Man on theatres. They would either put the whole story into a single film or leave most of it out and have a single movie which would end up sort of "empty". (considering I doubt they would really make sequels for it..or at least just one)
TV probably is the best way to go, the episodic nature of them allow for either individual stories that develop characters, or long story arc, that can build up tension for longer than the 2 hours a movie is given to do so. Look at Smallville, it's vastly more popular than the movie the came out and around its release, plus it allows other comic characters to interact with clark like they couldn't in a movie do to needing more time for explanation. So I would say, even if the budget is lower, which is very apparent in Smallville, TV is definitely the way to go with comic adaptations.
Well, TV can help in order to familiarize people with a certain character and it can appeal to a much broader audience. Me, for example, when I was a kid and I wasn't reading comics, I found about Superman and Flash (my favorite heroes) through their live action shows in TV. And I agree that TV can help in telling stories that can't be limited in 2 hours.
" Y the last man would make a great serialized show. The pace even matches that of a show. "HELL YA! Would make an amazing show!
I'd like a good X-men cartoon to stay on. Or even a Shadow Lady live action adaptation would be good, or or X-force (the one after cable's rain?) or X-23? But needless to say as long as they stick to feel of the medium like The Walking Dead (T.V.) series did so far. (Even though from what I know is not a lot.)
This is already something that has been proven to work, The Incredible Hulk smallville etc. If the jump is made by company's into this medium with other charcters that would be best suited for it then it could be a fantastic outlet as opposed to trying to condense an entire history into a trilogy.
I feel that they should be.
If we're talking about live-action rather than animation.
Movie are fun and all, but they're one-and-done distillations of years and years of story and character development. granted bigger budgets allow you to pull off a explosion-fest IRON MAN that you can't probably get week in, week out on TV if we're referring to live-action.
Comics are mostly episodic in nature and so is television. You can enjoy each episode for what it is but also understand it as a piece of an overall puzzle. Though SMALLVILLE has long since lost its way, it proves this point. The WALKING DEAD was a unique comic because it kept the story going. It made you invest in the cast much like LOST or the X-FILES, and even shows like GREY'S ANATOMY or the WEST WING. You get involved. A WALKING DEAD movie would have to condense and cut key sequences for time and eventually be edited down to just another action/horror zombie flick.
Give me DAREDEVIL, HEROES FOR HIRE, the PUNISHER on the small screen anytime vs. a major motion picture. These characters require less high-end SFX to bring to life. A weekly 10pm action/drama PUNISHER seems like a no-brainer. Such a series, if handled with care, could really make a splash...
Comics being episodic in nature, so of course television is the perfect medium for comic book adaptations. If I had to rank them, it would go like this:
This allows for proper development of the main character but also allows you to be flush out the universe in which they and the other characters populate. Sorta like how MMO's can offer a lot more in the telling of a comic book story then say an action/adventure game and especially a fighter.
so there's 2 blogs on the subject,
The COMIC BOOK SUB CULTURE, it's true there are STILL things the general public don't know (but maybe know enough for a casual conversation) like Ted Kord, Booster...Gardner... i myself was obsolete to the very idea of "JLA" even when the cartoon was into a couple seasons. Green Arrow came out and i was like,.... WHO? I hadn't heard of Daredevil before the movie, i learned about him through the movie, i loved the movie BUT apparently the COMIC was BETTER. Cant believe i didn't know about DD being a TMNT fan, (to which i was introduced through the Fred Wolf cartoon, i held it dear but i REALIZED, they fucked it up!) so movies/TV have the power to RUIN a comic character too.
i LOVE television, and i learned a lot about comics through tv, cos where i come from we dont have comic book stores. We had BOOKSTORES and libraries but they weren't like what you'd think, and all the comics they had,.. (not counting the few issues with multiple copies) are all with me now. Filmation cartoons, the Flash TV series starring Wesley Shipp aka Dawson's dad from Dawson's Creek, Zorro starring Duncan Regher, BTAS, X-Men TAS, Lois & Clark (which was better than the currently running Smallville) Smallville (at least the first few seasons) were important sources of information, i think what they do is great. Back in the day for kids like me, my neighbours, shows like this were the shit, knight rider, Lou Ferigno's Hulk... cultural phenomenons man
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