Is Masadaverse above concepts and all possibilities and impossibilities?

Simply making this cause some guy is saying things that sound like huge wank

Statements: "Masada verse is above all impossibilities and possibilities too", "possibilities and impossibilities are limited and beings can be above easily"

Why it doesn't make sense to me is the fact they claim it has all possibilities and impossibilities yet some beings are above others and cannot be beaten stated by him, if that is true then it shouldn't have ALL or really many considering it is a possibility for a top tier being to be beaten. Only exclusions would probably just be an omnipotent if you believe those can exist in fiction. If you can point any holes in my own statements. you can. This was also based on Extended Modal Realism stuff.

"They aren't. Again, there's no point in using logic like that. Saying that a character is infinitely stronger than another so possibility doesn't exist makes no sense when, again, possibility as a concept didn't even exist until Mercurius accidentally brought it along as a byproduct of his law. And we find in Kajiri Kamui Kagura, that he also brought impossibility as well"

"duality is, quite literally, the conbination of all opposing concepts, including possibility and impossibility, which is basically dogshit in Shinza"

If you wanna prove masadaverse characters do not have all possibilities, I think you can just prove the top tiers are still limited.

@maulsmacker How much info on the verse do you have?

So you think someone can't be above "all possibilities" because "it is a possibility for a top tier to be beaten" yet support TES braindead possibility wank? Double standards at its finest.

no. I am asking if masaverse can be above all possibilities. It's not double standards if one verse proved it while another is just being claimed it. Anyway can you give statements or are you gonna nitpick

I don't think so. You're most likely just correct about the dude wanking. Unless there is evidence in the source material of those statements being proven true?

Which I doubt.

Well I talked with another person and they said the same thing. Ultimately this argument was that since possibility and impossibility are a duality, the concept of duality>them even though duality is encompassed by possibility.

@brogokudestroys: I don't think there's anything particularly wrong with that argument specifically, but it's a tall claim and the source material needs statements or descriptions somewhere of it being at least implied in order for it to be applicable to the verse and its characters. I, personally, have never seen anyone else who knows the verse say that.

Masadaverse has a lot of wank and vanishingly few (still active) honest experts and debaters in comparison, I've noticed. If I were you, I might ask those guys to prove this claim.

I think it's nonsense for anything to be above possibility and impossibility, but that's a different discussion.

see that's what I'm saying! But the person in question is heavily opinionated on fictional verses. And also they put Masadaverse in top 3-4 in fiction so.

the main thing of their claim is that concepts and dimensions>possibility and impossibility and called me illogical when I stated that made no sense

If you think "proof" can resolve everything then you shouldn't have brought up logical thought experiments like "Why it doesn't make sense to me is the fact they claim it has all possibilities and impossibilities yet some beings are above others and cannot be beaten stated by him, if that is true then it shouldn't have ALL or really many considering it is a possibility for a top tier being to be beaten. Only exclusions would probably just be an omnipotent if you believe those can exist in fiction."

Because this exact same argument can be applied to TES, and has absolutely no relation to whether the verse in question explores some cosmic structure containing "all possibilities" or not since it's something that tries to point flaw in the very idea of scaling above all possibilities. At this point I am not sure if you even understand what you are arguing for or against. As long as it's for TES you will just twist logic to suit your fanfiction.

..but I never even gave many arguments for tes, and maulsmacker is already debunking your points. I am not needed there. Can you give statements of masadaverse now? Or are you gonna try your best to make me seem bias. Also proof can resolve things because it proves if something has something. Also the most of argued for masada is that concepts>possibility, also can please be logical? You are so incoherent and just don't make sense. Let me make it easier for you to understand: Speak coherently you idiot

@brogokudestroys: I'm assuming that concepts and dimensions > possibility and impossibility is, like .. if you're higher dimensional, you're above possibility and impossibility? Am I understanding that right?

The source material has to say or at least imply this. (Imply, if you are interested in giving them the benefit of the doubt). That's all.

A majority of people are not actually interested in backing up what they say or having constructive discussions; they just want to argue, and talk big about the verses and characters they like. Actual experts will be able to provide some kind of reasoning. Be careful who you give your time to, if you believe your time is worth something.

I can say something or other is nonsense all I want, that is my right, but if there is something in the source material that makes it undeniably true for that verse, it doesn't matter what I have to say. But something other than the word of another fan or supporter must be there.

ye, 1st point makes 0 sense and so confusing lol.

number 2, 100%!

3, Yes there are many people that just wanna waste time. This person in specific though was actually making a pretty good arg.

4, yeah the whole verse is literally limited to possibility they kinda debunked themselves and simply called me illogical after that with claims that anything above concepts>it, this person is so confusing so yeah I did stop the debate with them though and it ended with me knowing they were just extremely opinionated

You appear to be in support of MaulSmacker's arguments, who didn't really debunk shit either. Just because I didn't respond to his final post it doesn't mean I have been debunked. I have better things to do than talking with brick walls.

Also please try to actually respond to what I said instead of deflecting it. As I already said, these possibility arguments are pretty much the same as advocating for beyond omnipotence(which ironically would exist in extended modal realism since it doesn't care about logical consistency).

As for the statement, I don't have it rn but it's basically saying that Mercurius as a god wanted to explore all possibilities which is why he introduced the concept of parallel universes in the verse.

I didn't go on about his final point, you didn't go on any of his points lol, he did debunk you. I read it all. You still argued with said brick walls and became the true brick wall.

deflecting what??? You are incoherent, end of story. Yes beyond omnipotence can be a thing when you bring up which term of omnipotence, above all powerful is still being all powerful. That definition does not change no matter what word you use to describe being all powerful.

Here we go, the statement. So he isn't above possibility.. He just made the concept of parallel universes.

@brogokudestroys: I guess you just lack reading comprehension. Unfortunate situation.

Also the statement explicitly said he made parallel universes to explore all possibilities, so those universes would encompass all possibilities. Stop coping.

I lack reading comprehension lol? sure buddy. He wanted to explore them, even if he did succeed in all possibilities, that does not prove he has any form of impossibility. Also Ultimately, Possibility is not what I care about, that is modal realism. And a being doing impossible things are possible in fiction, but it is not all impossibility. And Here is proven you are the misinterpreting one failing to comprehend. Or are you just trying to project and insult me?

Ultimately can you please be coherent?

@brogokudestroys: I think altogether that the Masadaverse kind of had its heyday and it is fading just a little bit into its obscurity again. I have been wrong before, it just looks like that to me right now. That just might be important because more people/series supporters who expect others to not fact check them or know what they're talking about are going to pop up.

Hopefully you are able to have better conversations about the series in the future. Have a good one!

If you think impossibilities are possible in fiction then making such discussion threads is useless, since logical impossibilities are impossible to theorise upon due to their very nature. Beyond Omnipotence? A character that can never lose? A character beyond the concept of Omnipotence? A character that's beyond the concept of transcendence? All of these are logically incoherent notions made possible by allowing logical impossibilities to exist, and effectively make all multiversal fights impossible to talk about. So this is just a big waste of time from your perspective. Congrats I guess?

Also the only one who used an insult on this thread is you.

Yeah I don't think it's bad to scale it any way othrs want though, it's cool imo.

Thank you! Have a good one too!

where is the insult? You started insulting me the whole time. Also I do see your point there, but you didn't have to be incoherent for the other stuff.

Oh and I got xenogears and pokemon above elder scrolls

I know Xenogears and literally how? Are you scaling it to Xenosaga?

Oh and above them is beyblade

@bakemono: another story aka possibility, but also a verse having all possibility is very vague, many anime verses say stuff like that. I am looking more for all of both, an impossibility I found only elder scrolls of.

@bakemono: OH and all possibility and impossibility is not limited to duality or concepts. Concepts and duality are part of possibility and impossibility.

cringe

Is this the epitome of Multiverse debating on the Vine while I was gone?

Z was right, this place has really gone to shit beyond control.

This is more outside, I am asking mainly because people have said weird things I need clarification on. Sorry for this type of content I've made.