Is joker a masterpiece?

No, it’s a great movie, but not a masterpiece

Acting was ok but many other actor could have managed it too.
Scenario was simple.

So no it's not a Masterpiece even if it's enjoyable.

LOTR was boring to watch (and to read by the way). Sure there are some impressive writting, some impressive filming, some impressing costumes and sets, but other than that I find the pretext to go on that quest a bit dumb. And acting wise, no actors pulled an unseen act.

TDK, other than Ledger's acting, the other acted so so. And story wise, well nothing mind blowing. But it had fun action scenes and fun stress scene.

I would sayd that TDK is better than Joker.

I don’t think so.

It's great but I wouldn't call it a masterpiece.

Without a shadow of a bloody doubt!

It's really nowhere close. It's an average movie. The "twist" does not land at all and the subtle "did it happen or not" theme is really an uninteresting premise that people seem to obsess over.

The film seems to think it has a stronger message than it actually does. Rich are bad, working class rises up because some guys get murdered. Seems awfully forced. And while the performance from Phoenix was solid, it did nothing groundbreaking. He's a great actor who only really had to act pathetic, sad, or mad in this movie. The challenge looked minimal.

So, if it's something that the joker just decided to make up while institutionalized, I find that to make the whole story meaningless and pretty uninteresting. If it's true, it's a far fetched plot in a movie that gets praise for its realism.

No it isn't. And neither is TDK.

Its a great film and nothing more.

Some people say yes. Some say no.

For me personally I'd say yes.

Liked it as much as TDK.

However it will be adored more by people on the Vine rather than the occasional movie goer!

alright..

Perfection incarnate.

Only for people who haven't watched Taxi Driver and King of Comedy first.

For others it just a good movie among CBM and average among Cinema

I'm not so sure about Aaron Eckart and Micheal Caine. I've seen better performences for the same characters.

Well I don't really see the "Epic" in LOTR. I see beautifull but borring scenes. The movies 300 or Gladiator have epic scenes, if you want to compare.

Masterpiece is too much, in fact I think it’s impossible for any superhero movies to be called masterpiece no matter how good it handle.

I mean, compared to movies like man of steel and infinity war, it’s a masterpiece.

in it’s own, it’s a great film with good themes and one of the best CBMs.

I think so

Joker compared to other CBMs? Sure.

Overall, its a good movie- 8/10. Had I not watched Kings of comedy and Taxi Driver I probably would have ranked it higher

After allowing my thoughts on the movie to settle after a year, I would feel comfortable saying that I believe it is.

It beautifully captures the idea that our materialist society breeds selfishness and lack of empathy in people and how the victims of such a system lash out out of a lack of ability to change their circumstances.

The message of the movie makes the backlash it got from the media and many people who hadn't even seen it simultaneously funny in an ironic sort of way while also being a bit horrifying.

Nah it was kinda boring

9 months later, I've cooled down a bit on it but I stand by it being a great movie that is definitely not a masterpiece.

If that's the only thing you saw than no surprise you thought it's average.

Better than LotR and Godfather but slightly behind TDK.

No, it isn't. masterpiece applies to a movie that is made by a master of the medium. Todd Philips is not recognized as a master of cinema obviously, so it doesn't apply. Phillips is known for such groundbreaking works of art as the Hangover movies and the Starsky & Hutch remake.

Yeah.

The Dark Knight i could say its a masterpiece because of Heath Ledger performance but Joker its a 7-8/10 movie

The Joker movie is a poor man's American Psycho.

Absurd comparasion and I don't get how you can view those movies as anything similar in the facet of narrative.

@maulsmacker:

Huh the points he makes for similarity are

• Controversial Perception
• Shaped by their environment
• Effected by the social structure
• unreliable narrator

being shaped by the environment and effected by social structure of one's status is the most basic facets of society as a whole and would be a part of any character that is a normal huma, barring that Controversial Perception is just usual shit , Night of The Living Dead in 1967 had very controversial perception but that doesn't make it similar to these two, the unreliable narrator thing is likely the only real point and even thats a very common trope.

like I said the narrative of both films are literally opposites, and Joker is much more similar to Taxidriver or King of comedy then its to American Psycho.

No, it doesn’t follow through on its themes and said said themes are confused anyway from the not wanting all people with mental illness to be stereotyped as violence conflicted with said mentally ill protagonist being violent. Also the film is hard carried by Phoenix’s acting as the script is good but not great. All the masterpieces I can think of have an excellent script first, good acting second.

@maulsmacker: Patrick Bateman is a rich psychopath who takes his rage upon society. Arther Fleck is a poor psychopath who takes his rage upon society. The difference Patrick, and Arther have different perspectives.

@azraelotaku: Arthur is a man who descends into evil and insanity as the movie progresses while Bateman is a monster from scene one to the final scene , Arthur's insanity ends up giving him freedom and independence from misery while Pattrick ends up more trapped then he ever was in the end of American Psycho, Arthur is an outlier conventionally in the society while Pattrick is so forgettable in his own society that people don't even remember his name, also Arthur is mentally insane while Bateman is relatively sane bar his bloodlust and he plans out his murders in a very logical fashion.

the only way you can argue Pattrick Bateman and Arthur Fleck are similar is if you strip them of everything other then "an evil protagonist who kills people".

@maulsmacker: We don't know Arther and Patrick didn't commit these crimes. They imagined them doing it to escape from their mundane life.

@azraelotaku: Not sure about Arthur , guess the sequel would clear up his stances.

Pattrick though, one hundred percent did most murders he is shown to have done bar the Ridiculous dream sequence, its very clear if you see the scene where Pattrick meets the real estate Lady in Paul's apartment that she knows who he is and what he has done from their dialogue, so Bateman is a confirmed murderer for now atleast.

Joker stomps American Psycho.

Yes, it is.

Yep.

Man's a clown

Its a great movie, but theres a difference between Masterpiece and a great movie

The themes are pretty good. I think people are looking at it the wrong way.

I like it more than Taxi Driver. I think it has better visuals + atmosphere. And I like its faster pace, which amounts to a more efficient story. Taxi Driver most likely has more depth but I don’t remember the movie to well so it’s tough to confirm that.