@gearsecond659:Again, that was not that bad. He did have people to look after him. The village people did love him as when he set out, they all saw him off. He was friends with shanks because that was his nature - to make friends dude. And he inspired to become a pirate BECAUSE OF THEM. That is why he stabbed himself with a knife under his left eye to prove himself to Shanks so that he could join them in their adventures. Garp was trying to make his stronger, yes it was tough but he wasn't as lonely as you claim him to be.
I understand he was lonely, I never denied that but not to a bad degree. He still had people who talked to him and looked after him. That was my point. And no, ace was not the first person he before, he had friends/people who cared for him before that, like shanks or that bar lady. The first person, who was his age that he befriended was ace.
Lets go back: The people who were friends with luffy/loved him:
Makino, Wood Slap, Gyoru (who always supported Luffy lifestyle of becoming a pirate), heck even chicken. As I said, in his village - Foosha Village, which was a small village, he had people who loved him and took care of him. Then he met pirates friends like shanks and his crew who really liked luffy as well.
After Luffy was saved from those pirates by ace and sabo and when ace asked why he didn't tell the pirates about the treasure, he said that he would not have Ace as a friend anymore and that he does not have anyone on the island to rely on since he cannot go back to Foosha Village and he does not trust bandits. Plus he does not wish to be alone.
All of this just strengthens my argument. Yes, I concede that on Foosha Village, Luffy was not alone. He had a variety of friends from local bartenders to the pirate, Shanks (which is more of a paternal relationship than anything, but I digress). Luffy was never alone, having a large group of friends to surround himself with. This made it all the more tragic when he had to leave his beloved hometown. For the first time in his life, Luffy was lonely. He had no one to talk to. There was no bartender ot pirate crews, Luffy was truly alone, a feeling that Luffy was not use to as he had a lot of friends back at home.
Luffy hates the feeling of being alone. He even said that it hurts more than physical pain. That's why Luffy decided to try and befriend Ace again and again. Because he'd rather be abused by him then be alone. So, I don't think you can say that being alone was just one of three reasons why Luffy wanted to be friends with Ace. It was more like Luffy felt alone because he doesn't trust bandits and he couldn't go back to Foosha Village, where all of his friends lived.
Another thing that strengthens my argument is you bringing up Luffy stabbing his own eye. Being called a "child" by Shanks and company really hurt Luffy's ego, so Luffy decided to protect his pride by stabbing himself in the eye. He did this to prove not only to Shanks, but to himself, that he is ready to go out to sea with them. And while it didn't work in the long run, it still showcased how far Luffy is willing to go to protect his pride.
Again, he was only alone on Dawn island and it wasn't for long as ace and sabo became his friend. So to say his loneliness was "bad" is extreme.
This supports my argument even more. Luffy was alone on Dawn Island, and while he eventually befriended Ace and Sabo, that doesn't undermine the countless days of loneliness he had to go through before that event took place.
That was once. Luffy asked for help from Rayleigh as well or did you forget that. You claimed that Luffy might have more pride than Zoro but have no proof to back that up.
The difference is that Zoro lost against Mihawk. Mihawk is Zoro's rival, someone who Zoro strives to beat. To ask for training from someone who is your rival and someone who you want to beat is a swordsman's shame, and Mihawk even said Zoro is throwing his pride away.
On the other hand, Luffy didn't even ask for Rayleigh's help. Rayleigh suggested it. And Rayleigh was more of a mentor to Luffy than a rival so it doesn't hurt Luffy's pride to ask him.
Again, you don't lose pride for asking for help. Luffy does this all the time. It's under specific circumstances, such as Zoro asking Mihawk, that one would lose their pride though asking for help.
If sanji beating him decreases his pride, then so does Ussop beating him. Or are you now the one who says when Luffy pride is damaged and when it is not? Both situations are the same - the only difference is that Sanji matter is MUCH MORE sensitive than the Ussop matter and that is why Luffy didn't choose to fight back.
Sanji nearly knocked out Luffy. Luffy beat Usopp. There is no correlation between the two and it feels like you are grasping at straws at this point. I don't even think I need to elaborate why nearly getting K.O. and defeating someone are on completely opposite sides of the spectrum.
So, in the end, Luffy lost his pride in both events. And just like in both events, Sanji, similar to Ussop, broke down in tears, saying that he wanted to return to the crew but did not want to leave his family to die. I can't believe you see 1 thing like something but not the other, even though they were similar events.
You really like taking out context, don't you? There is a significant difference between Luffy getting beaten by Sanji and Luffy beating Usopp. And Sanji crying doesn't help your argument either. I don;t know what you are trying to prove on that front.
Luffy didn't take Zoro command, HE TOOK HIS ADVICE. What you are not understanding here is that luffy is very softhearted when it comes to his friends/family and will throw away his rules to SAVE THEM.
What YOU are not understanding is that this is not always the case. Luffy is not one to just throw away his pride. And, like I said before, Luffy follows his heart, so if he took Zoro's advice, he felt the same way.
How is it disresp[cting him? It is the truth and it seems you don't like it. That flashback arc showed why he loved ace so much. The Kuma arc showed that he loved his friends, so much that he was willing to do anything for them, just like how he did with ace/sabo when he was young. It was development but his character as a whole didn't change.
It's disrespectful to him because you are disregarding all of the development to his character.
Oh, I am sorry about that. But do you even know why he did that? That was not about pride but his sense of adventure. This is the direct quote from him:
"I DON'T wanna hear where this treasure is!! I don't even wanna hear if there IS a treasure or not!!! I'm dunno anything about it, but... ...everybody set out to sea, risking their lives to search for it!!! If this old man to tell us anything about it here and now, then I'll on refuse to become Pirate King! If we're gonna have a boring adventure like that, then I would rather die!"
Luffy also said that everyone else is risking their lives to search for it, so if Luffy just got told where it is, it would make it feel cheap. He wouldn't allow himself to become Pirate King because doing so without finding it himself would hurt his pride as a pirate.
Again, his crew DOES RESPECT HIM. When Ussop fought him, NO ONE LOST RESPECT. When Sanji fought him, Nami, who was with him, knew that luffy was doing that for his friend. Luffy didn't lose anyone respect in that scene, respect grew for him. Ace used to try and kill Whitebread as well, why didn't whitebread crew lose respect for him? Because they knew his power but also his love for his sones.
For Usopp, Luffy followed Zoro's advice. Luffy didn't accept Usopp back to the crew until he apologized. So we didn't get to see the consequences of allowing Usopp to come back prematurely. As for Sanji, the current arc, Totoland, hasn't concluded and multiple people have predicted that there will be reprecussions so that remains to be seen.
As for Ace trying to kill Whitebeard, the keyword was TRIED. And the dynamic of Whitebeard's crew is vastly different from Luffy's. It's more father son oriented.
That is LITERALLY the same with Luffy. His crew knows that he is strong but sometimes, fighting back in not always the answer.
I don't know what you are trying to say with this.
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