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Posted by Mister_Surreal (9160 posts) 3 months, 15 days ago

Poll: Is Hank Pym really evil? (36 votes)

He is a hero 53%
He is a villain 3%
He is an anti-hero 31%
Results 14%

Hank Pym has been an extremely controversial figure within Marvel comics almost as long as he has existed when he was introduced in the 1960s. He has done several infamously terrible things such as abusing his wife Janet Van Dyne and creating the A.I. known as Ultron. Whether or not he is a good or bad person however is still up for debate because of the psychological nature of his character. So the question is: what kind of person is he?

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#1 Edited by Tomkatie (3268 posts) - - Show Bio

He’s incredibly flawed, but those are the kind of characters Marvel is so great at writing. He’s very human, and has made some awful mistakes. But he is not evil by any means

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#2 Posted by Mister_Surreal (9160 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump.

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#3 Posted by Bastetz (120 posts) - - Show Bio

@tomkatie said:

He’s incredibly flawed, but those are the kind of characters Marvel is so great at writing. He’s very human, and has made some awful mistakes. But he is not evil by any means

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#4 Posted by LawCol (710 posts) - - Show Bio

He's an antihero. His morality isn't to do good but to do whatever is interesting to him at the time or whatever makes him appear heroic. He will abuse others and conduct unethical experiments if he feels it serves his purpose. Then he will lie or try to save the day in order to seem heroic.

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#5 Posted by Stahlflamme (5694 posts) - - Show Bio

Reed Richards was potrayed as considerably more abusive towards his wife than Hank... the infamous moment of him hitting Janet was from a comic where he was under outside influence. Not to mention the Wasp knew about that and let it continue for selfish reasons.

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#6 Posted by TheInsufferable (2594 posts) - - Show Bio

No

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#7 Posted by Supermanthor (16378 posts) - - Show Bio

N

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#8 Posted by Supermanthor (16378 posts) - - Show Bio

O

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#9 Posted by Supermanthor (16378 posts) - - Show Bio

P

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#10 Posted by Supermanthor (16378 posts) - - Show Bio

E

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#11 Posted by qwertyuiop1998 (250 posts) - - Show Bio

no,he may have flaws,but his intention and most deeds have done good things

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#12 Posted by boschePG (6315 posts) - - Show Bio

Dude help create the Avengers.

He does do whatever that interest him and thus his scientific feats are quite good. Its when he dips into the hero role too much and fills a role he is not supposed to truly be is when he struggles. Hank is a geek guy. When he grows big am I really supposed to believe that this guy who is a book worm can slug it out with tanks??? I think not and he knows this and causes the problem. It was retconned he had his first breakdown when he realized that Iron Man was just as smart as he was.

Since Ultron bases his foundation on Hank's brainwaves, it can be considered they are one and the same. I actually liked it when Hank was Ultron though I did not like the events leading up to it.

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#13 Posted by Quinlan58 (1658 posts) - - Show Bio

He's the mad scientist archetype trying to be a superhero. I'd say he is closer to a classic anti-hero than a modern one. Think Don Quixote (trying to be an archetypal hero but failing because of flaws) rather than the Punisher.

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#14 Posted by just_sayin (3365 posts) - - Show Bio

He is a hero. He struggles with being bipolar, feelings of inferiority, and guilt over past mistakes, but he is a hero. Most of his story arcs over the last 25 years have dealt with him either seeking "redemption" for himself, or seeing others who could be "redeemed". Scott Lang is a classic example. So was Avengers Academy where the students had potential to be heroes or to be villains. He's weird and eccentric , but a hero. In many ways, Pym is more moral than other Avengers like Iron-Man. Pym has always assumed responsibility for his "mistakes" even when he could have rationalized them away (such as claiming he wasn't responsible for hitting Janet because he was having a mental breakdown and not in his right mind, or he could have claimed that he was not responsible for the actions of Ultron since it was a sentient AI and makes its own decisions). Stark has a done a lot of unethical things and then offered excuses for them (such as his alcoholism).

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#15 Posted by Batvibe12 (5580 posts) - - Show Bio

He's not evil. Hank is just a flawed hero.

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#16 Posted by Helloman (28550 posts) - - Show Bio

He's a hero.

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#17 Posted by Life_Without_Progress (24057 posts) - - Show Bio

Just because the guy suffers from several mental disorders doesn't stop him from being a superhero.

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#18 Posted by biswaboxz (3642 posts) - - Show Bio

Doesn't seem to me as evil in anyway .His only big mistake was making Ultron but even those intentions were actually meant for good and in the end it turned out to be his biggest demon .

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#19 Edited by cattlebattle (17635 posts) - - Show Bio

Hank Pym has been an extremely controversial figure within Marvel comics almost as long as he has existed when he was introduced in the 1960s

LOL, that's a weird claim. How exactly??

He has done several infamously terrible things such as abusing his wife Janet Van Dyne and creating the A.I. known as Ultron.

Eh, there is a big difference between "abusing his wife" and slapping her once during a mental episode, which was a retcon anyways due to an artist's misinterpretation. As for Ultron, he created an AI, he had no idea the thing would turn into an evil robot one day. Nearly every super hero has a villain or two they inadvertently "created", so, I don't know why Hank would get special focus.

So the question is: what kind of person is he?

Well, considering he has been a perpetual member of the Avengers and his used his skills to save people, the world, and other worlds thousands of time, I would say he is a hero.

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#20 Posted by Green_Tea (10415 posts) - - Show Bio

Yaaaay OP is another person who ignores the context behind 616 Hank slapping Janet

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#21 Posted by TommytheHitman (6640 posts) - - Show Bio

Definitely not a villain.

He’s a hero who’s made terrible mistakes but not only does he take responsibility for them he also spends every minute of his life trying to make up for them.

A flawed hero and by no means a villain.

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#22 Edited by Toratorn (6751 posts) - - Show Bio

Isn't Hank currently an Ultron?

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#23 Posted by Epicyon (866 posts) - - Show Bio

Why does hitting your wife instantly make you evil?

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#24 Edited by Spambot (9339 posts) - - Show Bio

He's not really close to being an anti-hero imo. He's just a hero with flaws. Anti-heroes are guys who aren't really out to do good but sometimes do because it suits their purpose to do so and usually are ok with killing.

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#25 Edited by just_sayin (3365 posts) - - Show Bio

@toratorn said:

Isn't Hank currently an Ultron?

No. The two are now separated as of Infinity Countdown (#4 I think). Hank is now stuck in the soul stone as far as anyone knows.

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#27 Posted by Mister_Surreal (9160 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump.

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#28 Posted by Thor_Parker82 (15992 posts) - - Show Bio

Read "Rage of Ultron" and you'll have your answer.