I'm actually willing to give it star level AP. I don't see why we are against that. Otherwise there are a lot of verses that have strong attacks that we now have to downscale because the attack being unleashed on Earth did not destroy Earth itself. I know what I've said in another topic, I did revise it with this type of statement above though.
@rickyrck: ur dur, are you in middle school. 😂 Do me a favor and show me where it says the potency is the same.
It doesnt need to show. anyone over the age of 7 who knows how to read could put 1 and 1 together and see what the author of the story was going for in this chapter, if you wanna keep denying it its fine, to each his own.
We should wait till the translation come out although it’s absolutely clear Garou is stronger than Boros now and I’ve been saying this ever since how strong Psykos Orochi was I knew Garou would shit on that tier which means he’d be way above Boros
Guys Garou is not replicating the literal energy level of natural phenomenon, rather their mechanics. I guess it's coming from this:
Think a bit, do A-Class tiers in OPM require this super special martial art technique to replicate a snake or a bird's level of raw power now? Or are they simply copying a bird or a snake's fighting style?
Guys Garou is not replicating the literal energy level of natural phenomenon, rather their mechanics. I guess it's coming from this:
Think a bit, do A-Class tiers in OPM require this super special martial art technique to replicate a snake or a bird's level of raw power now? Or are they simply copying a bird or a snake's fighting style?
Yet a bit before he literally imitated the power of a nuclear explosion to its right potency.
its almost like the author doesnt wanna destroy the earth just to further prove he is using a gamma ray burst...
when psykos cut a continent it didnt show the aftermath of what would really happen with earth, it doesnt mean she didnt cut the continent in this fictional world.
CBR, much like CSRC, has no feats. OPM needs to start actually destroying celestial bodies before I take it seriously.
sounds like what all the HST ppl on this site do kinda ironic don't u think , at least here we literally got an explanation of how garou uses the litearl energies and all other stuff that exists in the universe so its an actual gmma ray burst along with saitma literally saying if it even graze the earth it will be fked
It seems to me author intent should be given stronger consideration here, rather then lack of aoe damage done irrespective of the attacks distance from earth. OPM is generally not the best when trying to equate attack potency to the visuals/ amount of damage done. A good example being Metal Bat with the Legion of people claiming he's sub building level because he wasnt busting city blocks with shockwaves despite Scaling about a mile above BoS Genos who was casually building level. Frankly I've always just given OPM, as well as other shows the DBZ treatment where attacks with AP radically above planet level somehow don't completely annihilate everything around them. Like seriously is Android Saga Piccolo's Light Grenade attack sub-island level when it should be Planetary+ bare minimum?
Wow a martial artist is using martial arts to replicate things. I'm shocked.
Completely missing the point, he has nuke level raw power regardless, he doesn't need a special technique for that, so that example proves nothing. He has the feats to replicate a nuke, same can't be said for a real GRB.
ppl argue that garou attack isnt star level. many dbz/dbs characters can casually destroy planets with energy beam. this beam should evaporate the earth in an instant, but not. because earth always has plot armor.
if we cant take statements to do calc. then we need to redesign all debate to include the exact feat shown clearly in panel.
Wow. 41 votes and 61% shown to have been dropped on their heads too many times as a baby, or outright trolling. Fascinating.😆
I didn't vote, are you saying that for the people who said yes? Why are people so mad over people thinking he's star level? So far there's a good enough argument for it.
Wow. 41 votes and 61% shown to have been dropped on their heads too many times as a baby, or outright trolling. Fascinating.😆
I didn't vote, are you saying that for the people who said yes? Why are people so mad over people thinking he's star level? So far there's a good enough argument for it.
Wow. 41 votes and 61% shown to have been dropped on their heads too many times as a baby, or outright trolling. Fascinating.😆
I didn't vote, are you saying that for the people who said yes? Why are people so mad over people thinking he's star level? So far there's a good enough argument for it.
What? The only real argument against it is the actual size of the beam in comparison to regular GRB's. It's not hyperbole when the author plain comes out and explains to us what a GRB is when Garou does the attack. The intent is all there. It at the very least has the same properties of a gamma burst, as Garou has now shown he can control and manipulate the fundamental energies of the universe.
> His nuclear fission was likened to HE's spheres by Psykos which were never stated to be such
> Saitama being perfectly copied means there's no feasible way for him to win. Garou was already more skilled. Now he's presumably lost his stat advantage? Be real.
GRB is only possible through the death of massive stars, which is also made clear in the panel as well as the attack being called GRB. So there's that.
To those people who ignore intent, DBS is gravel to wall level.
Not the one we directly associate with stars, but a gamma ray burst nonetheless.
Imitation =/= replication
But he's not imitating a GRB, he is copying it.
His nuclear fission was likened to HE's spheres by Psykos which were never stated to be such
So your logic is HE's spheres are never stated to be nuclear fission so that means they aren't, so an attack that isn't HE's spheres but looks like HE's spheres isn't nuclear fission despite the person performing the attack stating it is. Mr. Fantastic is jealous of the amount of reach you have.
Saitama being perfectly copied means there's no feasible way for him to win. Garou was already more skilled. Now he's presumably lost his stat advantage? Be real.
His copied punches were evenly matched with Saitama's normal punches, so there's no question that he copied a casual Saitama. Saitama is going to win regardless because he's a parody character and isn't going to lose in his own story, much like how he one-shotted a copy version of himself in an audiobook.
I could literally use the same example and say the same about Goku and Beerus "Universal shockwaves" that didn't even bust stars. So I guess Goku isn't even Universal no more.
Kinda funny how ppl would say this isn't whatever lvl the statements say but believe Kaguya Etsb is above planet lvl and can destroy space and time. Now if Saitama takes some visible real dmg I think we can confirm it's atleast planet lvl to above. Monster Garou got calcs that place him at planet lvl. This statement atleast gives more credence that he operating in planetary ranges imo.
One has direct statements and visuals to scale while the other doesn't
not even comparable tbh
Show me a star being destroyed by this said "universal" shockwaves. If not that's merely author intent just like Garou's feat since these so called universal destroying shockwaves didn't even destroy stars and in the manga didn't even destroy planets. Author intent in my books.😉
One has direct statements and visuals to scale while the other doesn't
not even comparable tbh
Show me a star being destroyed by this said "universal" shockwaves. If not that's merely author intent just like Garou's feat since these so called universal destroying shockwaves didn't even destroy stars and in the manga didn't even destroy planets. Author intent in my books.😉
How is it just mearly author intent if we actually see the universe shake?
DBS: Confirmation from gods, visuals and statements (shockwaves literally crossing past the universe)
OPM: Name and look of attack, scientific explanation of a GRB
@areneacaulem: Okay I see, I feel like there's alot of pushback for Garou feats. I see him at planetary and ftl+ at this point but it do matter if he damage Saitama.
@pandalumina: OK but are we going to ignore the other 1000+ examples of attacks not doing the amount of damage to the environment that they logically should in DB? From what I can see the only arguments against Garou are the size of the GRB, and the fact it didn't annihilate the planet. For the record I'm not for or against Star Level Garou because I don't think there's conclusive enough evidence on either side, i just think the people who won't even entertain the idea because of these arguments are a bit silly
One has direct statements and visuals to scale while the other doesn't
not even comparable tbh
Show me a star being destroyed by this said "universal" shockwaves. If not that's merely author intent just like Garou's feat since these so called universal destroying shockwaves didn't even destroy stars and in the manga didn't even destroy planets. Author intent in my books.😉
How is it just mearly author intent if we actually see the universe shake?
DBS: Confirmation from gods, visuals and statements (shockwaves literally crossing past the universe)
OPM: Name and look of attack, scientific explanation of a GRB
Yes. Totally comparable 😊
Yeah hence why it was Authors intent for them to be universal but realistically the shockwaves really aren't
what does them crossing a distance have to do with what they destroyed? which is mainly nothing unless you go with the anime when only planets not even starts were destroyed
The shockwaves are only universal with author intent and statements so the feat is technically in the same category as Garou's feat, The shockwaves were literally getting no sold by stars and Bulma ship even tanked it so I guess bulma ship has universal durability now? 😂 but oh well its Dragon ball so Toryama intent>>>>>>>>>>
@zzgrizz: That might be what he did, it might not be. I'd didn't write the story, and neither did you. Way I see it there isn't enough evidence to make decisive claims in either direction. The GRB not completely wiping the planet is not conclusive evidence that its a nerfed GRB, because collateral damage is not a consistent indicator of AP. DBZ is pretty much the perfect example of that
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