If Zach Snyder was recruited for IW fight scenes how powerful would thanos be?

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#1 Posted by Darkthunder (3758 posts) - - Show Bio

Will he be as powerful as comics or below superman

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#2 Posted by dirtytree332 (798 posts) - - Show Bio

Would have to take the battle to another planet, so that can be destroyed instead of Earth.

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#3 Posted by Ready_4_Madness (18788 posts) - - Show Bio

He would be a MONSTER!

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#4 Posted by Blackdog2009 (3903 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkthunder: Are you saying as it's currently portrayed in those movies, Thanos isn't really shown as the powerhouse that he is? that there's no way that Captain America would even dream of holding him physically off not even for an instant or that a realistic fight between him and Hulk would cause unsurmountable amounts of damage in the vicinity? ...

Because you'd be right. But I think Disney/Marvel fans are allergic to titanic, realistic supergods slugfests like the one in MOS. They start to cry for the countless of movie lives and buildings that get destroyed. They like things to be neat and have Scooby Doo endings where everything is conveniently ok at the end.

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#5 Posted by Richubs (7485 posts) - - Show Bio

It'd be insane however he would make a bad storyline.

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#6 Posted by CyberpunkCop (3406 posts) - - Show Bio

The movie would suck

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#7 Posted by ByondEon (2941 posts) - - Show Bio

Still would be a planet buster

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#8 Posted by kgb725 (19996 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkthunder: Are you saying as it's currently portrayed in those movies, Thanos isn't really shown as the powerhouse that he is? that there's no way that Captain America would even dream of holding him physically off not even for an instant or that a realistic fight between him and Hulk would cause unsurmountable amounts of damage in the vicinity? ...

Because you'd be right. But I think Disney/Marvel fans are allergic to titanic, realistic supergods slugfests like the one in MOS. They start to cry for the countless of movie lives and buildings that get destroyed. They like things to be neat and have Scooby Doo endings where everything is conveniently ok at the end.

How is Thanos not considered a powerhouse ? He beat Thor and Hulk effortlessly and during the Attack on Titan he tanked everything that was thrown at him while holding back and not trying to kill anyone.

Because its trash destruction porn. All they did was punch and run into each other at high speeds. Aquaman has the best fight scenes in the dceu for a reason. No other franchise has complained about that except for DCEU fans because superman and batman were killing maybe people want faithful characters instead of crazy power levels. No one complained when Thor blew up Asgard or Sokovia , when the entire world was messed up because of Magneto , etc. 0

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#9 Posted by Thor_Parker82 (16707 posts) - - Show Bio

Honestly would be very cool to see him fight

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#10 Edited by Soro (127 posts) - - Show Bio

Doomsday level. DCEU knew how to handle power levels. There would be no Cap punching Thanos, it would be akin to Batman running for his life from Doomsday. And the outriders would be monsters, no Black Widow killing them with 2 sticks

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#11 Posted by SpeedforceUser_ (413 posts) - - Show Bio

Beyond Dceu Supers for sure. He would destroy planets, no prob, and break limbs and the sure amount of destruction just by putting the glove on would be astounding. They would have to rewrite the script to bring Thanos down to MCU Spiderman level

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#12 Posted by ByondEon (2941 posts) - - Show Bio

@soro: DC can't do fight scenes....

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#13 Posted by Green_Tea (10716 posts) - - Show Bio

Every punch creates a sonic boom

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#14 Edited by rem (2774 posts) - - Show Bio

Base Thanos would be above dceu Doomsday and Ares.

Based on watchmen, Thanos with the gems would be unstoppable.

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#15 Edited by APEX_pretador (21481 posts) - - Show Bio

Would throw hulk to earth from asgardian space ship

Also the movie would be bad

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#16 Posted by EmmaFrostXmen (4247 posts) - - Show Bio

I would have loved Snyder doing just the fight scenes. He is amazing when choreographing fights

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#17 Posted by jashugan (6652 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't know why you guys think Snyder would give everyone ridiculous levels of super speed just because in DCEU he gave characters with actual super speed, super speed. I'm sure he'd show a lot more destruction in terms of super strength, but MCU already does that.

Reminder than MCU has shown far more destruction and grander scale of powers than DCEU. It's in the MCU that trillions of people were killed across the universe, a moon was busted and a planet was destroyed.

Just because certain characters don't accurately show their super strength all the time doesn't mean they never show it.

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#18 Posted by BOC (2022 posts) - - Show Bio

I would have loved Snyder doing just the fight scenes. He is amazing when choreographing fights

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#19 Posted by Ready_4_Madness (18788 posts) - - Show Bio
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#20 Posted by Darkthunder (3758 posts) - - Show Bio

Everyone saying movie would be bad should be reminded of MOS

And also I am saying Snyder should do fight scenes

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#21 Posted by FaradaySloth (12191 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos would've thrown the whole moon intact instead of chunks.

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#22 Edited by Havenless (3285 posts) - - Show Bio

Snyder would have ditched the rationality aspect of Thanos’s plot and went with his fetish for kill mass amounts of people. No “Does he actually love Gamora?” Instead he probably would have kicked her off the ledge 300-style.

He also probably would have attempted to Terraform Earth for intentionally vague reasons, as that was Snyder’s go-to when he didn’t have any better ideas.

Captain America would use uzis and Iron Man would have beaten Ebony Maw by ripping his heart out of his trachea.

But as far as Thanos... I don’t know. He definitely would have killed more main characters before the snap though.

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#24 Posted by rem (2774 posts) - - Show Bio

Are the people in this thread that are saying “the movie would be bad” aware that Zack could just be a cinematographer ?

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#25 Posted by Reactor (4514 posts) - - Show Bio

@rem said:

Are the people in this thread that are saying “the movie would be bad” aware that Zack could just be a cinematographer ?

I honestly wondered the same thing. It's like people saw the name and just decided to give their input on how the movie would be if he directed it outright instead

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#26 Posted by CCThor (2275 posts) - - Show Bio

No, I want to see an actual fight not destruction.

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#27 Posted by Doom_Phd (1632 posts) - - Show Bio

So much salt because some don’t want to admit that power levels and jobbing in IW was really bad.

On topic, Thanos would effortlessly whoop every single one of the Avengers. It would his glorious Comic counter part.

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#28 Posted by Subline (9523 posts) - - Show Bio

He'd still lose to MCU Dormammu.

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#29 Posted by Gaoron (10085 posts) - - Show Bio

Nobody would care because movie would be bad. Thanos doesn't have super speed, his durability was just fine ("all of that for a drop of blood") power of infinity stones was portrayed just fine. Only thing that could use Snyder's hand is maybe Thanos strength but knowing him Thanos would start to destroy miles of terrain and every punch would create a shockwave which is both silly and unneeded.

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#30 Posted by MetalJimmor (6829 posts) - - Show Bio

@reactor said:
@rem said:

Are the people in this thread that are saying “the movie would be bad” aware that Zack could just be a cinematographer ?

I honestly wondered the same thing. It's like people saw the name and just decided to give their input on how the movie would be if he directed it outright instead

Even if he did direct it, the director isn't the script writer. The director actually has fairly little control over the quality of the story being told, only how they present it. Just look at Aquaman. Weak script and incredible cinematography and solid direction.

People on this forum don't seem to understand how many different people contribute to the quality of a movie overall. They give all the blame and praise to the director as if they solely wrote, directed, edited, and provided the technical effect for the movie.

Snyder would be working with the same story and same script that Infinite War had. The main differences would be in the visual tone of the movie, the cinematography, and which scenes get more time and emphasis given to them. Snyder wouldn't even necessarily have final say in what scenes stay in and which get cut. There's a reason we have Director's Cut editions of films.

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#31 Edited by rem (2774 posts) - - Show Bio

@metaljimmor: I agree with you on some aspects.

So yes, there is a ton of factors into having a good movie, but both the studio and the director still have the most power in the actual movie. You are right in the fact that it’s very hard to salvage a good script, for instance, the main complaint for aquaman was the script, and James Wan had almost no control over that. Sure, he could maybe tweak a few things but he can’t change everything. The director only handles basically their version of the script.

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#32 Posted by EcstaticGrace (7394 posts) - - Show Bio

@emmafrostxmen: They should have Snyder direct fight scenes while another director does everything else lol.

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#33 Posted by MetalJimmor (6829 posts) - - Show Bio

@rem:

Pretty much, yah. The director's job is to interpret the script. They can make tweaks but they generally can't completely re-write the script on the fly. Some of the comments in this thread saying that Snyder would fundamentally change huge plot points and make the story dumber seem to not really understand what sort of role the director plays in bringing a movie to life. Snyder wouldn't make huge, sweeping changes to Infinite War's script unless he was being pressured into it by the producers or something similar.

Infinite War as directed by Zach Snyder would still have the same story beats and mostly the same dialogue as we got, it'd just be shot differently with different color palettes, editing, and different scenes being given greater emphasis than others. Some of the lines may be delivered differently based on what Zach asked the actors to do, but I can't imagine it'd deviate that much.

So expect more slow-mo, more wide shots, more high impact blows, and likely a far more somber tone overall. It'd be a very different movie, but there's no reason to think he'd touch the script in any meaningful way.

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#34 Edited by Stahlflamme (5879 posts) - - Show Bio

Let's seee...

Doomsaday never showed destruction on the scale of Superman or Zod and looked weaker than standard kryptonians... JL vs Superman was a bunch of guys rubbing Clarks pecs... so not including massive bias towards Zack Snyder and actually looking at the entirety of his DCEU work instead of cherrypicking the single fight scene were Skyscrapers break like candy left and right I would say about Cap level.

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#35 Posted by Stahlflamme (5879 posts) - - Show Bio

@metaljimmor: Except in movies directors usually can have the script reworked and Snyder did have involvement like that on all his movies. Why do you think people want a Snyder cut of Justice League, because it was too bright? Well, actually there are pwople on this site who think that totally makes the movie work, but overall people expect more out of it.

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#36 Edited by MetalJimmor (6829 posts) - - Show Bio

@stahlflamme:

What happened to Justice League is very unusual. Wheadon didn't just take over as a director, he was given leave by the studio to make massive changes to the script during filming. He has a screenplay credit which means he had to have re-written a significant portion of the original script on top of having the final edit. For reference, by the rules of the American film industry this means Wheadon re-wrote, at minimum, 50% of the script to get that credit. This all happened because the studio (Warner Brothers) got cold feet with Zach's vision and did their best to transform what he had made into something different, not necessarily because Wheadon just hates Snyder and wanted to undo all he built.

Also, typically, when a director wants to do a re-write they don't do it themselves. They ask the original writer to do a re-write, sometimes working with them in the process, or bring in a different writer to do the re-write like when Affleck brought in Chris Terrio to re-do BvS's screenplay. How involved the director becomes in the screenplay varies from director to director from there, as well as how lenient the producers are.

If you look at other movies Zach has worked on he rarely has a screenplay credit because he doesn't typically make wide, sweeping changes to the story. Zach didn't have a major hand in the scripts for Man of Steel, Batman vs Superman, Justice League, or Watchmen, as examples. He was a co-writer for the story of Justice League, but the actual screenplay was entirely the work of Chris Terrio and Joss Wheadon.

The only movies Zach wrote the screenplay (or had a significant role in the screenplay) for were 300 and Sucker Punch, from what I know.

If he were hired as director for Infinite War there's not a lot of evidence he'd want to radically change the script. Especially if the studio (Disney) is happy with the script as-is. Ultimately the producers out-rank the director, so Zach wouldn't be able to do anything to the screenplay if Disney didn't want him to.

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#37 Posted by christianrapper (6598 posts) - - Show Bio

he'd be just as powerful but he would look washed out just like everything else in his universe.

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#38 Posted by LuminousHydra (1274 posts) - - Show Bio

He would be able to stomp DCEU supes like how he stomped the MCU Hulk and Thor. But sadly, he isn't even a fraction of that power.

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#39 Posted by GXrevs06 (5222 posts) - - Show Bio

@rem:

Pretty much, yah. The director's job is to interpret the script. They can make tweaks but they generally can't completely re-write the script on the fly. Some of the comments in this thread saying that Snyder would fundamentally change huge plot points and make the story dumber seem to not really understand what sort of role the director plays in bringing a movie to life. Snyder wouldn't make huge, sweeping changes to Infinite War's script unless he was being pressured into it by the producers or something similar.

Infinite War as directed by Zach Snyder would still have the same story beats and mostly the same dialogue as we got, it'd just be shot differently with different color palettes, editing, and different scenes being given greater emphasis than others. Some of the lines may be delivered differently based on what Zach asked the actors to do, but I can't imagine it'd deviate that much.

So expect more slow-mo, more wide shots, more high impact blows, and likely a far more somber tone overall. It'd be a very different movie, but there's no reason to think he'd touch the script in any meaningful way.

So who is actually responsible for the feats and how good they are? Director script writer? If Thanos is blitzing people and tanking planet level attacks, would that be down to Zac?

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#40 Posted by Au_141 (1202 posts) - - Show Bio

Probably as powerful as Darkseidwould’ve been but not fast so he’d have to be some sort of tank

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#41 Posted by MetalJimmor (6829 posts) - - Show Bio

@gxrevs06:

Script writer first, then director, then choreographer.

Basically, the script writer will write things like "And then Thanos busts a Moon. Super cool. Rains meteors down on Ironman". Then it is up to the director to make that imaginary image a reality.

An example. The script might read "Thanos defeats Hulk with a flurry of punches." The Russo Bros. took that scene and gave us the sweet boxing-esque beatdown we got. Snyder might have taken it a bit further and add more shockwaves. More slow motion shots to represent the speed of the strikes. More Hulk flying. Maybe thrown in a wide shot of the ship they were in rocking back and forth to show the scale.

Then there are also choreographers who actually design the fight scenes themselves. The director has input on the choreography during filming but it probably wasn't the Russo Bros. themselves that decided on the actual moves Thanos used on Hulk, it would've been someone paid to design fight scenes.

Ultimately it is a team effort. Everyone had input on the finished product.

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#42 Posted by Joker567892 (797 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos would be a beast, causing shockwaves with every single punch, moving at Mach speeds, tanking nukes.

Thor and Hulk would be similar, I think Hulk's anger abilities would be more consistent.

Captain America would be the same As he is normally.

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#43 Posted by Cramem (410 posts) - - Show Bio

I came here for the jokes

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#44 Posted by Gaoron (10085 posts) - - Show Bio

Just thinking about Thanos moving and flying around at sound breaking speeds makes me cringe

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#45 Posted by Galactic_1000 (5851 posts) - - Show Bio

Will Be Very Dark movie.

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#46 Posted by GeraltsOpinion (456 posts) - - Show Bio

Snyder fights are hard to track. Russos fights are way more imaginitive. Snyder is literally bricks speedblitzing each other over and over. It's cool but not creative.

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#47 Posted by Helloman (30115 posts) - - Show Bio

The answer is obvious.

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#48 Posted by The_Titan_Lord (9508 posts) - - Show Bio

meh

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#49 Posted by ThEBeStOfTheBeST (12277 posts) - - Show Bio

He'd be the Darkseid version of the MCU.