Luke was basically ooc the whole time, and it was basically a non stop fighting movie with little character developing dialogue.
I agree with what Mark Hamill said about his character and the movies in general.
Luke was basically ooc the whole time, and it was basically a non stop fighting movie with little character developing dialogue.
I agree with what Mark Hamill said about his character and the movies in general.
Honestly I thought it was awesome. Finns arc could have been dropped completely and snoke was sort of a let down, but I loved reys/lukes arc, poes performance, and I thought Kylo was also done much much better this time around. Also thought the very final scene was done masterfully.
I felt the exact opposite...granted I did not like the original trilogy and loved the prequels...so after disliking the force awakens the last jedi was amazing!
@purpledeadragon: Same here. I have just 3 issues with film, but overall I really like it. I just don’t love it.
Fin and Rose storyline was awful and Snoke being a throwaway character was stupid. Luke was also pathetic
Fin and Rose storyline was awful and Snoke being a throwaway character was stupid. Luke was also pathetic
I actually liked it more the second time.
I see what u did there
It is pure garbage.
I liked it, but with some reservations. The Luke/Rey/Kylo storyline was the best of the three. I liked the Po/Leia/Holdo story, too. The Finn/Rose adventure was pretty forgettable, though. It was too undeveloped and moved too fast, yet it also seemed to drag on. The action throughout the movie was good and the sword fight changed my opinion of Kylo. Right now, I place it lower-mid rank of all of them. Below the OG trilogy but above the prequels.
I liked it, but with some reservations. The Luke/Rey/Kylo storyline was the best of the three. I liked the Po/Leia/Holdo story, too. The Finn/Rose adventure was pretty forgettable, though. It was too undeveloped and moved too fast, yet it also seemed to drag on. The action throughout the movie was good and the sword fight changed my opinion of Kylo. Right now, I place it lower-mid rank of all of them. Below the OG trilogy but above the prequels.
It's kinda like Rogue One... it's good by itself in that aspect but ultimately it doesn't feel it offers anything to the overall space opera lore. But Rogue One stands on its own a hell of a lot better because it isn't an Episode like The Last Jedi, which makes Episode 8 all the more disappointing, it's just an appetizer type of film or a side dish.
Luke was basically ooc the whole time, and it was basically a non stop fighting movie with little character developing dialogue.
I agree with what Mark Hamill said about his character and the movies in general.
@phillip33: I agree with you about Rey amd Kylo, but that's like a third of the movie. The other two thirds are split up to Finn/Rose and then Holdo/Leia/Poe which were just horribly written and dull.
Fin and Rose storyline was awful and Snoke being a throwaway character was stupid. Luke was also pathetic
When Mark Hamill doesn't like it, then you know something's wrong
I felt disappointed as well. I was partially expecting a backstory of Snoke; a guy that can use the force galaxies away deserves a backstory. And for someone who is so in tuned with the force, he was killed to easily.
I didn't like Luke's portrayal as well. I can understand him being disappointed and feeling like a failure but I can't ever see him shutting himself off from the Force.
At one point in the movie, I thought Rey was going to turn to the dark side and Kylo go to the light side, but that didn't happen (which I didn't mind)
Also what happened to the other knights of Ren? They served under Snoke but there was no mention of them in the movie.
And I don't like Kylo Ren being the head sith/dark force user. He seems to inexperienced and not powerful enough to be the main bad guy for episode IX.
@gaoron: I don't get it.
It was really, really dumb and violated one of the fundamental tenets of space opera:
Lightspeed ramming is not allowed.
Once you let that particular genie out of the bottle, then the whole Star Wars universe falls apart because that one tactic makes all the super weapons and massive spaceships obsolete. Empire wants to blow up Alderaan? Simply accelerate an unmanned TIE Fighter / random piece of garbage / single proton to lightspeed and hurl it at the surface. The collision would be literally infinity times more powerful than the Death Star.
Other than that, Finn and Poe were useless at best and actively harmful at worst, on top of Finn's subplot being boring to watch and feeling like a soapbox rant about war profiteers. On the plus side, however, Rey / Kylo was very well done, probably the best part of all the Star Wars movies.
@devilmenworks: Seriously lol what happened to them? I thought Benicio del Torro was supposed be someone important instead of a stuttering piece of shit character. The Throne room scene would have been so much better of instead of the redguard it was the Knights of Ren or something. It was also funny Rey thought Ben was a monster POS until they were bonded and she saw him shirtless after that scene she has sympathy for him and started to refer him as Ben. They also should have referred to Snoke as Darth Plagues after him being able to save some one from death with the force yada yada I mean it wouldn't have been a stretch it looked like a damn corpse.
Oh well....
Supreme Leader was the biggest letdown no joke.
It's a shame how true this was, he was starting to look like a big deal in the beginning and the initial meeting with Rey(treating both her and Kylo like the dumb children they are)... shame they did that to him so early...
Though, I think we'll be seeing him again... something feels off about his death
@marvelanddcfan24: I have nothing against the character but such a great actor like Benicio del Torro was wasted and the character could have easily been some unknown actor (since his didn't require a lot of acting). As far as the absence of the Knights of Ren, who knows lol? Maybe there will be an explanation in Episode IX. They played an important part in the new trilogy because they are part of the reason Luke is broken and didn't care about the force, as well as slaughtering the other people in the Jedi temple.
You make a valid point about Ben and Rey. To be honest I didn't think they would get so close in the movie because he tried to kill her in the last movie as well as nearly killing Finn.
When Snoke died, I half expected him to get up or something. Or maybe have a scene later in the movie with him in another body mentioning how he is disappointed in his apprentice for betraying him or something. Even your theory would have been fine.
Fingers crossed hoping episode IX won't be worse...
@devilmenworks: True I was hoping maybe Snoke would somehow come back but towards the end of the fight there's a close up on Snokes face that shows his tongue out and eye ball weirdly position for comedic effect pretty much saying yeah this dudes dead like for good
It wasn't a perfect movie but it was nowhere near trash.
My main complaints are Snoke (obviously) and Finn's story (it felt completely useless).
Hopefully there'll be a plot twist about Snoke's death.
As someone who is only a moderate SW fan, it was fine. Finn's adventure should have been cut, and I hated what happened with Luke. But the rest was good.
@dasabi: This video should explain everything.
Thanks for the video, I actually did watch it, but the guy behind it doesn't really understand why lightspeed ramming would be as devastating as it is. He has four main points:
1) It's expensive
2) It takes time and might miss
3) Low payoff for the resources invested
4) Unethical to use suicide tactics
To point 1: The hyperdrive itself is not that expensive. Essentially all spaceships except maybe the most basic escape pods have hyperdrive -- it's an absolute necessity for anything that has to travel inter-galactic distances otherwise you'd spend multiple lifetimes just traveling from point A to B. If Han Solo can afford to outfit the Millennium Falcon with a hyperdrive using his personal funds during his days as a smuggler, then the cost should be a drop in the bucket for the combined military resources of the Rebellion / Resistance.
To point 2: Obviously this would be a tactic to take out large objects: planets, Death Stars, Star Destroyers, etc. rather than individual TIE fighters or X-Wings. We see these targets get hit all the time by weapons much slower than lightspeed, and I don't think we've EVER seen anything the size of a capital ship or larger make evasive maneuvers. The time it takes to make the jump to hyperspace seems like it's in the order of seconds, I don't think that's an issue either. Space is very, very big, and it'd be easy for a small ship far in the distance to go unnoticed while it charges its hyperdrive for a few seconds before ramming.
To point 3: This is where the video maker fails to understand lightspeed. Anything that has mass at rest, no matter how big or small, will have INFINITE mass at lightspeed. Getting rammed by a lightspeed pebble will be exactly as devastating as getting rammed by a lightspeed planet. A single X-Wing would've devastated the Supremacy just as badly, and if the Resistance were being smart about it, it doesn't even have to be a full X-Wing. Just build the smallest, cheapest thing possible that can fit a hyperdrive engine and an astromech for guidance, and that's all you need. The laws of relativity will turn that contraption into the deadliest weapon ever known.
To point 4: It doesn't have to be a suicide attack. Unmanned torpedoes / missiles exist in the Star Wars universe, all we're doing here is strapping on hyperdrives to boost those to lightspeed. Even if the Rebellion / Resistance are squeamish about fielding proper WMD's, why isn't the Empire / First Order doing this? Once you've already committed to blowing up entire planets, the exact method of doing so doesn't seem like something to morally quibble over.
This movie was terrible. I actually felt empty inside and didn't believe the film ended when it did. NOTHING HAPPENED. It was literally two ships cruising out of space and just out of distance to shoot each other. Smh. Every time this film would take a step forward, it would do a backflip a mile back.
It messed with canon (Force is the solution to everything), gave us a Star Wars 007 Casino planet, Phasma was a joke, Luke was a coward and had the audacity to not even show up at the end. Heck, he barely said anything to Leia. Rey is a nobody but can BTFO every problem, Snoke is a joke (more powerful than Sidious my butt), Leia all of a sudden put on a red cape and become a symbol of hope, The purple headed chick caused so many deaths (she didn't even have to die, what they don't have autopilot in SW?) Finn was useless and couldn't to anything right. (Heck, he could even kill himself). Plus, this man Finn got treated like nothing with that backhand to the face. Sigh...
@the_legendary_supersaiyan_hulk: Somethings off about Snokes death? Yea I dont doubt it. Half of him was off the othet half.
It was really, really dumb and violated one of the fundamental tenets of space opera:
Lightspeed ramming is not allowed.
Once you let that particular genie out of the bottle, then the whole Star Wars universe falls apart because that one tactic makes all the super weapons and massive spaceships obsolete. Empire wants to blow up Alderaan? Simply accelerate an unmanned TIE Fighter / random piece of garbage / single proton to lightspeed and hurl it at the surface. The collision would be literally infinity times more powerful than the Death Star.
Other than that, Finn and Poe were useless at best and actively harmful at worst, on top of Finn's subplot being boring to watch and feeling like a soapbox rant about war profiteers. On the plus side, however, Rey / Kylo was very well done, probably the best part of all the Star Wars movies.
omfg yes im so glad i wasnt the only one who thought this
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