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#1 Posted by Petey_is_Spidey (11528 posts) - - Show Bio

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#2 Posted by the_stegman (40009 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't get it.

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#3 Posted by ganon15 (7014 posts) - - Show Bio

Begins was better

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#4 Posted by Petey_is_Spidey (11528 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't get it.

"Your parents death was not your fault, it was your father's". "Anger does not change the fact that your father failed to act."

In BvS, he attempts to stop the gunman (so does Martha), instead of just sitting there.

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Begins was better

That literally has nothing to do with this, but okay...

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#5 Posted by the_stegman (40009 posts) - - Show Bio

@petey_is_spidey: oh, I got that, lol. I just didn't think Snyder was going for that direct correlation.

I will admit I liked the BvS one more (except Bruce's haircut).

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#6 Posted by SilverPool (4562 posts) - - Show Bio

Begins was better

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#7 Posted by Jonez_ (11443 posts) - - Show Bio

No.

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#8 Posted by Jonez_ (11443 posts) - - Show Bio

@ganon15 said:

Begins was better

Begins was better

Amen. It even had the better Batman.

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#9 Posted by Petey_is_Spidey (11528 posts) - - Show Bio

@petey_is_spidey: oh, I got that, lol. I just didn't think Snyder was going for that direct correlation.

I will admit I liked the BvS one more (except Bruce's haircut).

After seeing the BvS death, the begins one seems so much more plain.

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#12 Edited by jumpstart55 (11025 posts) - - Show Bio
  • As someone has pointed out the idea of Thomas Wayne fighting back against the mugger goes back all the way to the golden age of Batman Comics.
  • And the scene in Batman: Begins was a thousand times better becuase it had much more emotion and meaning given the quickness..How life can be ended in a Flash...And then the way it was latter correlated and used in Ras AL Ghuls speech to Bruce was simply brilliance..It showed that in order to avenge his parents he was going to have to become stronger then his parents not just physically but mentally as well..And how willpower is everything..Whereas the scene in Bvs felt like a generic pop music video..Way too much style and flash over Substance...And it served no real purpose other then Zack Snyder showing us that people can be shot in slow motion..And how cool it looks..And yea i guess it was needed to correlate with the Martha Scene..But i dont think theres a Batman fan left who dosent know how much Batman loved his Parents..All in all it was a pretty pointless and redundant scene.
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#13 Posted by deactivated-5a04a566e9ae3 (12864 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh dear, that opening scene...

Snyder tries too hard to make everything iconic and monumental. The perpetual slow motion, portentous music, overly-elaborate cinematography; it's all garbage.

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#14 Edited by Black_Arrow (10203 posts) - - Show Bio
@jumpstart55 said:
  • As someone has pointed out the idea of Thomas Wayne fighting back against the mugger goes back all the way to the golden age of Batman Comics.
  • And the scene in Batman: Begins was a thousand times better becuase it had much more emotion and meaning given the quickness..How life can be ended in a Flash...And then the way it was latter correlated and used in Ras AL Ghuls speech to Bruce was simply brilliance..It showed that in order to avenge his parents he was going to have to become stronger then his parents not just physically but mentally as well..And how willpower is everything..Whereas the scene in Bvs felt like a generic pop music video..Way too much style and flash over Substance...And it served no real purpose other then Zack Snyder showing us that people can be shot in slow motion..And how cool it looks..And yea i guess it was needed to correlate with the Martha Scene..But i dont think theres a Batman fan left who dosent know how much Batman loved his Parents..All in all it was a pretty pointless and redundant scene.

Agreed. Nolan used the parent's compliance to prove that not every problem has a pacific solution and that sometimes you have to use force to make things right, and that's a lesson this Batman will learn.

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@the_stegman said:

@petey_is_spidey: oh, I got that, lol. I just didn't think Snyder was going for that direct correlation.

I will admit I liked the BvS one more (except Bruce's haircut).

After seeing the BvS death, the begins one seems so much more plain.

I utterly disagree. The Begins one is a much better scene.

The Batman v. Superman one is cool, but a pretty bad scene.

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#16 Posted by soldierofel (2578 posts) - - Show Bio

I kinda liked both. The BVS one is well shot and the music is awesome but I think the Begins one tried to play a more real tone. In certain situations, you freeze up from fear and in Begins you could tell Thomas froze but still tried to handle it with a sense of compliance as is normally advised. Unfortunately it still got him and Martha killed leading Ra's to use it as a fuel for Bruce's anger. Though I will admit the slow clenching of Thomas's fist looked awesome in BVS.

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#17 Posted by Ready_4_Madness (14381 posts) - - Show Bio

How can you dislike the BvS one especially the 3D version.

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#18 Posted by TheAmazingSpidey (17261 posts) - - Show Bio

How can you dislike the BvS one especially the 3D version.

It being a fundamentally flawed moment (not even a scene) is why.

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#19 Posted by RustyRoy (16610 posts) - - Show Bio

I prefer the Begins scene but BvS one was pretty cool too.

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#20 Posted by Ready_4_Madness (14381 posts) - - Show Bio

@theamazingspidey: it was different though, it didn't feel like a chore watching the Wayne's die again. I think it was a really great scene to watch.

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#21 Posted by deactivated-5ba89dccd4593 (353 posts) - - Show Bio

Begins scene was better and far more significant/emotional.

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#22 Posted by TheAmazingSpidey (17261 posts) - - Show Bio

@theamazingspidey: it was different though, it didn't feel like a chore watching the Wayne's die again. I think it was a really great scene to watch.

It is emotional, but I'd barely call it a scene. More along the lines of a moment.

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I kinda liked both. The BVS one is well shot and the music is awesome but I think the Begins one tried to play a more real tone. In certain situations, you freeze up from fear and in Begins you could tell Thomas froze but still tried to handle it with a sense of compliance as is normally advised. Unfortunately it still got him and Martha killed leading Ra's to use it as a fuel for Bruce's anger. Though I will admit the slow clenching of Thomas's fist looked awesome in BVS.

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#28 Posted by RustyRoy (16610 posts) - - Show Bio

@soldierofel said:

I kinda liked both. The BVS one is well shot and the music is awesome but I think the Begins one tried to play a more real tone. In certain situations, you freeze up from fear and in Begins you could tell Thomas froze but still tried to handle it with a sense of compliance as is normally advised. Unfortunately it still got him and Martha killed leading Ra's to use it as a fuel for Bruce's anger. Though I will admit the slow clenching of Thomas's fist looked awesome in BVS.

Yeah, this is pretty much how I feel.

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#29 Posted by Wakel (825 posts) - - Show Bio

Prefer the begins one, Snyder doesn't make scenes he makes moments. Ras and Bruce's conversation is amazing.

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@rustyroy said:
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@ganon15: @petey_is_spidey: @jumpstart55: @sprior93: @black_arrow: @ready_4_madness: @rustyroy: @earthangelo: @theamazingspidey: Or Snyder simply stuck to canon, which i guess is worse than batman begins judging by most of the comments?

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I just prefer the Begins one, I did say that Snyder's one is cool too.

I never had any qualms with the content of the "tonight a comedian died in Gotham" scene moment in Batman v. Superman. It was a stylistic moment, but still poorly executed.

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#31 Posted by Heatforce (5519 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy: that's fine, I just wanted to point out that the BvS scene has canon.

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#32 Posted by wbr17 (3516 posts) - - Show Bio

The hate is real. I never thought that someone would dislike that scene of BvS.

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#33 Posted by Heatforce (5519 posts) - - Show Bio

@theamazingspidey: That's fair. There's the Excalibur easter egg as they leave the theater, which foreshadows how Superman dies. Yeah it means nothing to the topic at hand but still a sweet easter egg.

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#34 Posted by TheAmazingSpidey (17261 posts) - - Show Bio

@theamazingspidey: That's fair. There's the Excalibur easter egg as they leave the theater, which foreshadows how Superman dies. Yeah it means nothing to the topic at hand but still a sweet easter egg.

I agree. Snyder and Terrio are fantastic at attention to detail.

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@rustyroy: that's fine, I just wanted to point out that the BvS scene has canon.

Well TDKR isn't really canon but yeah I get what you're saying. I just think both directors have followed the source material well enough in their own way even though many fans disagree.

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#36 Posted by RustyRoy (16610 posts) - - Show Bio

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The hate is real. I never thought that someone would dislike that scene of BvS.

It was great imo. Although Gotham one was atrocious.

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#37 Posted by Farkam (11973 posts) - - Show Bio

The BVS scene made Thomas look dumb. Did he seriously think he was going to be able to beat that guy up before getting shot dead. Even though it was a really cool scene.

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#38 Posted by captain_batman_FTW (8905 posts) - - Show Bio

But did Batman get raped in Snyder's movie, tho?

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But did Batman get raped in Snyder's movie, tho?

huh?

It's a joke. Snyder said that if he was to make Batman Begins, he'd make Batman get raped in the prison he was in at the start of the movie.

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@captain_batman_ftw said:

But did Batman get raped in Snyder's movie, tho?

huh?

It's a joke. Snyder said that if he was to make Batman Begins, he'd make Batman get raped in the prison he was in at the start of the movie.

Snyder is an idiot, so that is no surprise.

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@farkam said:
@captain_batman_ftw said:
@farkam said:
@captain_batman_ftw said:

But did Batman get raped in Snyder's movie, tho?

huh?

It's a joke. Snyder said that if he was to make Batman Begins, he'd make Batman get raped in the prison he was in at the start of the movie.

Snyder is an idiot, so that is no surprise.

Lol