Hypocrisy of Censorship on Comicvine

  • 72 results
  • 1
  • 2
Avatar image for the_angry_comic_book_critic
The Angry Comic Book Critic

798

Forum Posts

1249

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 78

User Lists: 6

Now they say this site is supposed to be family friendly site and well I've been looking over some of the comics here and they are by no means family friendly honestly they're PORN very artistic PORN yes but are still PORN and also many comics that I've found have swearing in title like for Sin City's "That Yellow Bastard" so the question is where does the line get drawn on this site for censorship on the site? Is it okay to swear in the context of what the story is? As well as show Nudity and sexual acts on reviews provided they are directly from the material the person reviewing? Now at the bottom of this there is a list of comics I urge you to take a look at these on this site they prove the hypocrisy on how this site chooses to censor material. Lastly what do you as a user think on all of this should these be censored as well as language is in reviews or should this site become more like youtube in terms of censorship levels or some other new thing we've yet to think of? I myself am a firm believer in freedom of speech provided it doesn't cause harm to anyone physically like it would if you screamed "Fire" in a crowded theater or if it is racist, prestigious or if it's hate speech against someone's sexuality so users what do you believe in?
 
For Nudity/Porn Comics on Comicvine
*Astounding Weird Penises 
*Cybersix (Eura Editoriale Comic book) 1993
*Euros Comix
*Bizarre Sex
*Verotik Comics
*Lost Girls by Alan Moore
 
Also here's a copy of the Comicvine FAQ on what's allowed on the site.....
 
"Look this is a nice community we’ve got here.  I don’t think we need a huge rule set other then saying “Be Nice”.  It’s the Road House rules, be nice.

  • Dont youtube spam the boards.
  • You can link to other sites IF your topic is not spam.
  • No profanity on Comicvine.
  • No sexually explicit talk or images."
  
Now going by a strict interpretation of these rules none of the comics I mentioned should be aloud on the site but the rules are broken on this site even by the site itself. Is it hypocrisy at it's finest ladies and gentlemen saying one thing but doing the exact opposite?
Avatar image for powerherc
PowerHerc

86188

Forum Posts

211478

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 11

#2  Edited By PowerHerc

 ComicVine can establish rules regarding content.   
Patrons/members of ComicVine should make a good faith effort to follow those rules.   
The people who run ComicVine must follow their own rules.   
 
Consistency is what's needed, not a free-for-all anything goes site nor a site completely encumbered with so many rules no one can hope to be able to follow them all.  Either extreme of content (anything goes or everything must be approved) would be bad and inevitably ruin the site for the majority of users.   
Common sense, consistency and respect for others would seem to be good principles to follow.  Most of the time ComicVine does this.   
 
As to certain images and  langauge being forbidden and censored while other similar examples are allowed is inconsistent and thus; unfair and wrong.   
ComicVine should address and settle this matter.
Avatar image for _courage_
_Courage_

1181

Forum Posts

411

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#3  Edited By _Courage_

It's not like Comicvine is advertising this vulgar stuff. If you want to find stuff like that, you're going to find it.
Avatar image for decoy_elite
Decoy Elite

30159

Forum Posts

1875

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 5

User Lists: 4

#4  Edited By Decoy Elite
@The Angry Comic Book Critic: Those rules are more about the forums(which, yes pertains to reviews as well) not the wiki.  
 
The wiki is for all comics, even porn comics and such. That said there should not be any pornographic images on the wiki pages for these comics, so if you see such images alert a mod so that they may be deleted.  
Avatar image for the_angry_comic_book_critic
The Angry Comic Book Critic

798

Forum Posts

1249

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 78

User Lists: 6

@_Courage_:  But it's still on the site that's the point. It's not like they don't know about these comics they themselves approved them even after making the rules against such things which is very hypocritical of them to do so. So they need to have either more better defined rules for these things or just say anything goes as far as material aloud on the site cause they can't censor people for the very material they (Mods/Staff) themselves aloud to be posted on the site it's simply unfair and wrong.
Avatar image for the_angry_comic_book_critic
The Angry Comic Book Critic

798

Forum Posts

1249

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 78

User Lists: 6

@Decoy Elite: Ah but there in lies the problem they don't say it doesn't apply to the wiki as well as the fact that reviews for such things would also appear on the wiki so that would make it okay in that sense. Not to mention a friend of mine on the site did some wiki work on one of the following comics that I mentioned and used a censored image for one of the covers and the mods/staff members wanted the original cover used instead despite what was depicted being unbelievably inappropriate and wrong outside of a porn site.
Avatar image for decoy_elite
Decoy Elite

30159

Forum Posts

1875

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 5

User Lists: 4

#7  Edited By Decoy Elite
@The Angry Comic Book Critic: Then I guess the rules just need to be more specific.  
 
The point is that the wiki is, just that, a wiki. Comic Vine is obligated to add any comic that exists to their wiki. 
Avatar image for yumulu
Yumulu

764

Forum Posts

32434

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#8  Edited By Yumulu

Thank you I never realized Cybersix was a comics or that the word bastard was considered swearing.

Avatar image for theblueangel93
TheBlueAngel93

21064

Forum Posts

16240

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: -1

#9  Edited By TheBlueAngel93

I personally have always had an issue with this, but knew my arguments would never win because sadly I know that there are tons of people who would disagree with me on it and in other words support the things I am arguing against. In truth these type of comics are porn, plain and simple, don't care if there in "comic format" or what, it's still porn and for a kid friendly site, I agree that this honestly isn't something I would want my kids to accidentally click on while searching for Spider-Man and there have been many times when I have searched for a character like Black Widow and it has pulled up on the search bar characters from these types of books. I once saw a Mod put something about not mentioning them and that if someone wants to find them, they'll go looking for them and that was their excuse....which is a bad one. In the end when CV allows this stuff to go on it, whether or not the Staff do or do not I do not know, but either way it simple tells everyone that CV supports pornography.

Avatar image for thegreatfour
thegreatfour

12977

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#10  Edited By thegreatfour
@War Killer: Note to self: Never search for Black Widow
Avatar image for villainousv
VillainousV

1185

Forum Posts

-3

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

#11  Edited By VillainousV
@thegreatfour said:
" @War Killer: Note to self: Search for Black Widow "
Fixed...........
Avatar image for thegreatfour
thegreatfour

12977

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#12  Edited By thegreatfour
@VillainousV said:
" @thegreatfour said:
" @War Killer: Note to self: Search for VillainousV "
Fixed........... "

Avatar image for theblueangel93
TheBlueAngel93

21064

Forum Posts

16240

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: -1

#13  Edited By TheBlueAngel93
@thegreatfour said:
" @War Killer: Note to self: Never search for Black Widow "
And this right here is a prime example on why this is wrong, a person should be able to search Black Widow, or any other character, without some porn character popping up in the search bar as well.
Avatar image for danhimself
danhimself

21433

Forum Posts

36958

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 3

#14  Edited By danhimself

despite how you feel about it  those books are comics and ComicVine is striving to be the most complete comic book wiki so those books need to be here....as for the no swearing or pornography...those rules are for the forums....no one advertises that those books are here you have to know what to look for to find them

Avatar image for thegreatfour
thegreatfour

12977

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#15  Edited By thegreatfour
@War Killer: If they added a strict search option like on Google then that might work.
Avatar image for villainousv
VillainousV

1185

Forum Posts

-3

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

#16  Edited By VillainousV
@thegreatfour said:
" @VillainousV said:
" @thegreatfour said:
" @War Killer: Note to self: Search for VillainousV "
Fixed........... "
"
O____________O
Avatar image for thegreatfour
thegreatfour

12977

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#17  Edited By thegreatfour
@VillainousV said:
" @thegreatfour said:
" @VillainousV said:
" @thegreatfour said:
" @War Killer: Note to self: Search for VillainousV "
Fixed........... "
"
O____________O "
I win
Avatar image for villainousv
VillainousV

1185

Forum Posts

-3

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

#18  Edited By VillainousV
@thegreatfour said:
" @VillainousV said:
" @thegreatfour said:
" @VillainousV said:
" @thegreatfour said:
" @War Killer: Note to self: Search for VillainousV "
Fixed........... "
"
O____________O "
I'm a wiener                                        "
Fixed.............. :D
Avatar image for theblueangel93
TheBlueAngel93

21064

Forum Posts

16240

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: -1

#19  Edited By TheBlueAngel93
@thegreatfour said:
" @War Killer: If they added a strict search option like on Google then that might work. "
The search bar they have is fine, the point is that porn is still porn and the fact that it is allowed on this site is the issue that has been stated in this thread to begin with.
 
The sad thing is that once certain Mod's and more users like VillainousV find this thread, anyone who agrees with me will lose this argument because at the end of the day most people are for porn, even though it's wrong.
Avatar image for thegreatfour
thegreatfour

12977

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#20  Edited By thegreatfour
@VillainousV said:
" @thegreatfour said:
" @VillainousV said:
" @thegreatfour said:
" @VillainousV said:
" @thegreatfour said:
" @War Killer: Note to self: Search for VillainousV "
Fixed........... "
"
O____________O "
I'm a winner.... And so is VillainousV                                        "
Fixed.............. :D "
Avatar image for theblueangel93
TheBlueAngel93

21064

Forum Posts

16240

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: -1

#21  Edited By TheBlueAngel93
@thegreatfour said:
" @VillainousV said:
" @thegreatfour said:
" @VillainousV said:
" @thegreatfour said:
" @VillainousV said:
" @thegreatfour said:
" @War Killer: Note to self: Search for VillainousV "
Fixed........... "
"
O____________O "
I'm a winner.... And so is VillainousV                                        "
Fixed.............. :D "
"
Guys....please stop flooding my PM box :P
Avatar image for thegreatfour
thegreatfour

12977

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#22  Edited By thegreatfour
@War Killer: Whoops sorry about that
Avatar image for villainousv
VillainousV

1185

Forum Posts

-3

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

#23  Edited By VillainousV
@thegreatfour said:
" @War Killer: Whoops sorry about that "
What he said............
Avatar image for the_angry_comic_book_critic
The Angry Comic Book Critic

798

Forum Posts

1249

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 78

User Lists: 6

@War Killer:  I'm kinda for porn if it's done on an appropriate site or tv channel but NOT on a site like this I'm a very liberal person but Porn on a site like this is where I draw a line but one thing I'm just curious on your opinion for would you rather have just vulgar language be allowed on this site or the porn which is far worse in terms of whats inappropriate cause at least with profanity it can be justified to get a point across but with Porn honestly how can you justify it? Its next to impossible to do and most argument for it on this site can fall to piece easily
Avatar image for the_angry_comic_book_critic
The Angry Comic Book Critic

798

Forum Posts

1249

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 78

User Lists: 6

@Decept-O:  I never use curses against other Viners I use them only when describing the comics I reviewed and today out of the 77 reviews I've have written all but 20 or so of them were deleted yet they have been on the site for months and no one seemed to care in fact many people enjoyed them and you have a point about context but the context that I used them in are to really get across my Hate or in some cases love for a comic
Avatar image for theblueangel93
TheBlueAngel93

21064

Forum Posts

16240

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: -1

#26  Edited By TheBlueAngel93
@The Angry Comic Book Critic said:
" @War Killer:  I'm kinda for porn if it's done on an appropriate site or tv channel but NOT on a site like this I'm a very liberal person but Porn on a site like this is where I draw a line but one thing I'm just curious on your opinion for would you rather have just vulgar language be allowed on this site or the porn which is far worse in terms of whats inappropriate cause at least with profanity it can be justified to get a point across but with Porn honestly how can you justify it? Its next to impossible to do and most argument for it on this site can fall to piece easily "
I'm a Christan, so I'd pick C. Neither. Cursing I find pointless in both RL and in comics, they don't help make the books or characters at all or make them more easier for younger readers to pick up and enjoy. As for porn, I don't want to see characters like Cyclops and Emma Frost in bed, even if they do sleep together, I don't want to see it in my comics, it's the same as if I know a couple who have sex, I know they do it, still doesn't mean I want to see it though....seriously, that's just sick.
 
And if you are like porn any type of porn on any site, you're for it. If you look at it and think it's okay and then tell someone it's wrong to look at, that itself is hypocrisy.
 
@VillainousV said:
" @thegreatfour said:
" @War Killer: Whoops sorry about that "
What he said............ "
It's cool guys, was just getting annoying when I have four PM's and it's not even directed at me, lol
Avatar image for blur99
blur99

374

Forum Posts

1

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#27  Edited By blur99
@The Angry Comic Book Critic said:

" Now they say this site is supposed to be family friendly site and well I've been looking over some of the comics here and they are by no means family friendly honestly they're PORN very artistic PORN yes but are still PORN and also many comics that I've found have swearing in title like for Sin City's "That Yellow Bastard" so the question is where does the line get drawn on this site for censorship on the site? Is it okay to swear in the context of what the story is? As well as show Nudity and sexual acts on reviews provided they are directly from the material the person reviewing? Now at the bottom of this there is a list of comics I urge you to take a look at these on this site they prove the hypocrisy on how this site chooses to censor material. Lastly what do you as a user think on all of this should these be censored as well as language is in reviews or should this site become more like youtube in terms of censorship levels or some other new thing we've yet to think of? I myself am a firm believer in freedom of speech provided it doesn't cause harm to anyone physically like it would if you screamed "Fire" in a crowded theater or if it is racist, prestigious or if it's hate speech against someone's sexuality so users what do you believe in?
 
For Nudity/Porn Comics on Comicvine
*Astounding Weird Penises 
*Cybersix (Eura Editoriale Comic book) 1993
*Euros Comix
*Bizarre Sex
*Verotik Comics
*Lost Girls by Alan Moore
 
Also here's a copy of the Comicvine FAQ on what's aloud on the site.....
 
"Look this is a nice community we’ve got here.  I don’t think we need a huge rule set other then saying “Be Nice”.  It’s the Road House rules, be nice.

  • Dont youtube spam the boards.
  • You can link to other sites IF your topic is not spam.
  • No profanity on Comicvine.
  • No sexually explicit talk or images."
   Now going by a strict interpretation of these rules none of the comics I mentioned should be aloud on the site but the rules are broken on this site even by the site itself. Is it hypocrisy at it's finest ladies and gentlemen saying one thing but doing the exact opposite? "
Umm... the word is "allowed" not "aloud"  :) 
Avatar image for yumulu
Yumulu

764

Forum Posts

32434

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#28  Edited By Yumulu

 From :  http://www.merriam-webster.com/

Definition of PORNOGRAPHY

1: the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement

2: material (as books or a photograph) that depicts erotic behavior and is intended to cause sexual excitement

3: the depiction of acts in a sensational manner so as to arouse a quick intense emotional reaction <the pornography of violence>

I am sorry but if you get some sexual excitement just from seeing titles like Astounding Weird Penises or the covers of Bizarre Sex maybe the problems are in the eyes of the viewer not the medium. 
Avatar image for the_angry_comic_book_critic
The Angry Comic Book Critic

798

Forum Posts

1249

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 78

User Lists: 6

@War Killer: Well I'm Catholic so yeah. Then again I've always been opened minded about many things and have always believed there is time and a place for everything and as for my views on porn I never said I was against it I just said that it shouldn't be on this site cause it is not the place for it and there are many lines in classic action and drama films that wouldn't be as memorable without the cursing or as funny if you want to count Young Frankenstein.
 
"Yippy Ki A Mother F$%Ker "- John McClane, Die Hard
"Frankly my dear I don't really give a damn" -gone with the wind
"Get your filthy paws off me you Damn Dirty Apes."-Planet of the apes
"Come on you gruesome son of a B!tch come to me."- Joker, Tim Burton's Batman
"Son of a B!tch B@$tard I'll get you for this what did you do to me I don't want to live I do not want to live oh mama"- Young Frankenstein
"What's in the box?! What's in the F$#KING BOX!!!" Brad Pitt, Seven
Avatar image for theblueangel93
TheBlueAngel93

21064

Forum Posts

16240

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: -1

#30  Edited By TheBlueAngel93
@The Angry Comic Book Critic said:

" @War Killer: Well I'm Catholic so yeah. Then again I've always been opened minded about many things and have always believed there is time and a place for everything and as for my views on porn I never said I was against it I just said that it shouldn't be on this site cause it is not the place for it and there are many lines in classic action and drama films that wouldn't be as memorable without the cursing or as funny if you want to count Young Frankenstein. "Yippy Ki A Mother F$%Ker "- John McClane, Die Hard "Frankly my dear I don't really give a damn" -gone with the wind "Get your filthy paws off me you Damn Dirty Apes."-Planet of the apes "Come on you gruesome son of a B!tch come to me."- Joker, Tim Burton's Batman "Son of a B!tch B@$tard I'll get you for this what did you do to me I don't want to live I do not want to live oh mama"- Young Frankenstein "What's in the box?! What's in the F$#KING BOX!!!" Brad Pitt, Seven "

Well you said, "I'm kinda for porn" which you're either for or against porn, there isn't a "kinda" but your obviously for porn, and because of this, if your for it on another site and then say it should be on so and so site, that yet again itself is hypocrisy. Your either for it or against it, there aren't any shades of gray in this.
 
As for the cursing, if a movie or book are only memorable because of cursing, they must not be that great of a book or movie to begin with.
Avatar image for sc
SC

18222

Forum Posts

182748

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 25

User Lists: 0

#31  Edited By SC  Moderator

Hypocrisy? No, at least I don't think so, many of the terms used in the rules, invite subjectivity naturally, and thats no fault of the people that made the rules, its the fault of people who use the words as in everyone, and the dictionary who thankfully give a few various meanings per word. As such they have lovely people called moderators who can use there discretion on such matters. I know more people who misuse and misunderstand the word porn, than those that know how to use it accurately, so I am weary of how people define and criticize "examples" of it (or regarding the following as well, anything), especially on a level, where they then proceed to project  there individual standards on to other people.  
 
There is a good chance, there will be some people out there, that consider Lockheed a pornographic character, just because he wears no clothes, I mean he knows, more languages than the X-Men, but can't throw some shorts on? Why doesn't he have to wear shorts, Fing fang Foom does, hypoooocriiissssyyy! Maybe... maybe not. Maybe this is where the subjective nature and discretion of these things come in to play. I haven't heard any of the books listed in the OP, except for Alan Moore's on account of it being Alan Moore, and I probably would never have, because I have no interest there, far from it for me to judge the ones who do, just like I wouldn't want some other poster denying me any X-Men books with Lockheed in it because he is obviously a lewd little dragon with no pants.  
 
If I did have a complaint, I would seek the help and advice of a moderator or someone who knew the rules well, and the reasons behind why material might be allowed. Calling the site and or people behind it for hypocrisy seems a bit... eh, like looking for trouble, attention, or taken it upon ones self to be offended, like in the case for that pervert dragon Lockheed. (meaning ignoring the fact that things don't happen by magic and things like these are usually thought about in depth beforehand and usually been challenged before hand too, so is this the rights of a few vs the rights of the considered majority, as in is this service right for you as an individual, and if not, would the service consider rethinking what they considered the majorities, lack of opposition or wishes in order to serve the expressed wishes of the few)

Avatar image for silkcuts
Silkcuts

6040

Forum Posts

93073

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 730

User Lists: 13

#32  Edited By Silkcuts
@The Angry Comic Book Critic@Decoy Elite said:

" @The Angry Comic Book Critic: Those rules are more about the forums(which, yes pertains to reviews as well) not the wiki.   The wiki is for all comics, even porn comics and such. That said there should not be any pornographic images on the wiki pages for these comics, so if you see such images alert a mod so that they may be deleted.   "

Part of the problem with the "nudity" is it gets confusing. I posted originally the page for Astounding Weird Penises.  It was an Alan Moore comic, so it is comic history.  When I posted the picture I censored it to play it safe, found out later that if the cover as nudity, the real cover is still preferred.
 This is the cover I posted that I censored. Currently the page has the real cover, feel free to click the link.  I don't want to repost it, consider it playing safe.
 This is the cover I posted that I censored. Currently the page has the real cover, feel free to click the link.  I don't want to repost it, consider it playing safe.
I like that this site is a "family site", but there are comics that are mature and should be here because comics grew when Vertigo was born in 1993.  Screened does not have porno movies I understand, I think this is likely because the people who use those sites are different.  People who really dig around the wiki here are likely adults and not kids, hence why there are the mature books.  Kids on comicvine will likely type "Spider-Man" over the word "sex"... but we never know.  So there is no locks on those doors and the content is accessible.
 
It is also weird where we can't swear, but I can refer to a characters like FUCKWIT and Shithead.  A teenager may read Wanted, so what is the difference of my review saying the F word and Fuckwit?  Or am I in trouble now since I referred to a character.  I understand the problem, but I personally don't have an answer.
 
If we keep the adult content off, then guys like me may be turned off.  How can I review a book like Wanted now? Do I change to "F"wit nd $#!+head?  Or a comic like That Yellow Bastard?
 
Another thing, what if I wanted to blog about Ennis being shock and lack of creativity?  A great argument is Arseface and Fuckface.  Both messed up looking dudes, both with offensive names.  So is it because a teen or child would likely see those blogs and that makes it okay?
 
 I try to keep my nose clean and I don't want problems with the mods or staff.  It is a question I never understood myself. It is a weird situation when censorship is believed to protect, but is it?  Or is it now offending our maturity and intelligence?
Avatar image for princeimc
PrinceIMC

5506

Forum Posts

7471

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#33  Edited By PrinceIMC

So this doesn't have anything to do with the fact that your reviews were taken down for bad language?
Avatar image for silkcuts
Silkcuts

6040

Forum Posts

93073

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 730

User Lists: 13

#34  Edited By Silkcuts
@War Killer said:
" I personally have always had an issue with this, but knew my arguments would never win because sadly I know that there are tons of people who would disagree with me on it and in other words support the things I am arguing against. In truth these type of comics are porn, plain and simple, don't care if there in "comic format" or what, it's still porn and for a kid friendly site, I agree that this honestly isn't something I would want my kids to accidentally click on while searching for Spider-Man and there have been many times when I have searched for a character like Black Widow and it has pulled up on the search bar characters from these types of books. I once saw a Mod put something about not mentioning them and that if someone wants to find them, they'll go looking for them and that was their excuse....which is a bad one. In the end when CV allows this stuff to go on it, whether or not the Staff do or do not I do not know, but either way it simple tells everyone that CV supports pornography. "
I understand what you mean, but by keeping certain books off the site, you are now saying comics are still for kids.  Alan Moore's Lost Girls for example is stated by him himself as Porn, but I would never masturbate to it. Can I use the word masturbate? oh wells I said it.  Lost Girls is a great example how Alan Moore has pushed the medium to tell a story.  Yes the superficial level is the sex, but there is layers of when Moore really makes you think if source material is not innocent after all.  This is why a song with innuendo is okay for a kid to hear on the radio, since we assume hte kids are to dumb to understand a "disco stick" for example. Then if something like Lost Girls is removed, then remove The Boys from Garth Ennis.  The sex in that is not even artistic, it is simple shock.  While we are at it remove All of Marvel Max, Vertigo, Wildstorm or any comic that has mature content in it.  The books themselves are not family friendly, the cover may be clean but they are adult books.
 
I don't support pornography or swearing. I support mature discussions on the medium I love.  A kid would never join in on one of my blog, I don't swear on it as a respect thing (more fear of the mods...lol), but the point is, would it even matter if I did?  A 5 year old will not type in Hellblazer, but is it a problem because a kid may type in Indiana Jones? 
 
Should Batman review not be allowed?  Richard Grayson never goes by Richard, what does he go as? Kids know that word is wrong.  If a kids types in "dick" then in that drop chart, Ennis' "dicks" series is accessible.  And if you have not seen those cover you are lucky.  Here is a good messed up one no kid should see.
 
I am not saying your wrong and I am right.  I just know that to make this site completely kid safe they have to lock certain things and/or have filters... or dumb down the site.  If the site is dumbed down, then what can I review?  Tiny Titans?.. which is brilliant, but its not an Alan Moore book.
Avatar image for silkcuts
Silkcuts

6040

Forum Posts

93073

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 730

User Lists: 13

#35  Edited By Silkcuts
@Decept-O said:
" @The Angry Comic Book Critic:
I've had a similar discussion with the CV Staff myself about these topics.  I can relate to you what was explained to me.   
 
1.  No nudity nor nude IMAGES in the GALLERIES by users.   This includes images taken from the comic books themselves.  You can't scan and upload artwork from the comic book interior pages into a Gallery of a character or a Gallery of your own.  Not allowed.   What constitutes nudity I've found, concerning females, showing partial or full nipples as well as the full body.  However, there are images of women who obviously topless but barely something over their nipple area.  I know--a bit questionable, but that appears to be the case.   Obviously, for males, no showing the tallywhacker.   
 
2.  No "hard" depictions of sexual acts.  Either photos or art.  I've seen images with characters, and multiple characters, in scantily clad attire, kissing, but that's as far as it is allowed.  I question, though, having more than one character kissing one another simoultaneously.   
 
3.  Yes, adult and erotic comic books are allowed, and in fact the covers are allowed to be scanned and uploaded to the site.  They often feature nude characters, and some are a bit "hardcore".  G-Man told me directly that they aren't out to censor the comic book industry and that this is a comic book based encyclopedia, so they are allowing these comics.  Also, Ethan Lance told me that a discussion was had with the Staff concerning this very topic, esp. Eros Comix, and they decided that the covers will be allowed but nothing else.  No interior pages allowed.   So the site is basically PG-13 or even R rated in most cases concerning comic books and images, but they make an allowance for soft porn and X-rated comic book covers.   A bit long winded but that seems to be the case.  Also, if you try to upload nudity or nude images that fall in the above criteria---you will eventually be found out.   
 
4.  Profanity.  Well, this one should be when someone is being profane.   The word "bastard"  is allowed when describing a comic, but using the word against another Viner in a conversation in a hateful manner is not a good idea.  That is inciting hate.  However, you might be able to call a friend on the site "You bastard!", or say, "You bastards, you killed Kenny!".  It is about context.   Ass and dumbass seem to be OK.   Words like sh!t, well, I do what I just did, but generally, it seems to be allowed.  After all, there IS a character called Shithead., but generally try not to use it too much or use it in an angry context.  That is what profane is--using cuss words in a negative manner to be hateful and cause arguments and the like.    
 
There is the usual list of "harder"  cuss words which I won't repeat, but those words which I am sure you know, probably aren't a good idea to use.  It is when you are using them against another Viner--that is when you will get into trouble.  Also I suggest Viners stray away from racist slang terms, or those words which mock people who are physically or mentally challenged as well.    
  
But the main thing I understand what you are getting at is that there seems to be a bit of an abundance of some questionable images on the site.  They will get noticed and removed, it just takes time.  Most of the Mods work and have to go through a lot of images and the like.  It isn't like they are ignoring it.   
 
Just to reiterate:  Nude images not allowed anywhere, in the galleries for characters, in your own image galleries.  Pornographic portrayals of characters, nude photos, pornographic photos and images, again, not allowed by users.    Allowed in this area:  Adult comic book covers.    No nude images from interior pages.    The same rule applies to the Artist Forum, where I am active and   this topic occured there.  No nudity by any artist.     Keep the cussing to a minimum.  Some words allowed, others are not.  Use common sense, and don't be hateful with the words. "
As much as these exceptions are  I guess clear, they are exceptions, so where does it end?  You pointed out Shithead, there is also Fuckwit, both thanks to Mark Millar.  In a review I can't say that "Michael Bay was a  Shithead when filming his last movie!"  But "The current Batman is a DICK" may be okay since Richard Grayson, Dick could be used for short?  But then again that is "hate"...lol  I see what you mean, but now wit is killed.
Avatar image for theblueangel93
TheBlueAngel93

21064

Forum Posts

16240

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: -1

#36  Edited By TheBlueAngel93
@Silkcuts said:

" @War Killer said:

" I personally have always had an issue with this, but knew my arguments would never win because sadly I know that there are tons of people who would disagree with me on it and in other words support the things I am arguing against. In truth these type of comics are porn, plain and simple, don't care if there in "comic format" or what, it's still porn and for a kid friendly site, I agree that this honestly isn't something I would want my kids to accidentally click on while searching for Spider-Man and there have been many times when I have searched for a character like Black Widow and it has pulled up on the search bar characters from these types of books. I once saw a Mod put something about not mentioning them and that if someone wants to find them, they'll go looking for them and that was their excuse....which is a bad one. In the end when CV allows this stuff to go on it, whether or not the Staff do or do not I do not know, but either way it simple tells everyone that CV supports pornography. "
I understand what you mean, but by keeping certain books off the site, you are now saying comics are still for kids.  Alan Moore's Lost Girls for example is stated by him himself as Porn, but I would never masturbate to it. Can I use the word masturbate? oh wells I said it.  Lost Girls is a great example how Alan Moore has pushed the medium to tell a story.  Yes the superficial level is the sex, but there is layers of when Moore really makes you think if source material is not innocent after all.  This is why a song with innuendo is okay for a kid to hear on the radio, since we assume hte kids are to dumb to understand a "disco stick" for example. Then if something like Lost Girls is removed, then remove The Boys from Garth Ennis.  The sex in that is not even artistic, it is simple shock.  While we are at it remove All of Marvel Max, Vertigo, Wildstorm or any comic that has mature content in it.  The books themselves are not family friendly, the cover may be clean but they are adult books.
 
I don't support pornography or swearing. I support mature discussions on the medium I love.  A kid would never join in on one of my blog, I don't swear on it as a respect thing (more fear of the mods...lol), but the point is, would it even matter if I did?  A 5 year old will not type in Hellblazer, but is it a problem because a kid may type in Indiana Jones? 
 
Should Batman review not be allowed?  Richard Grayson never goes by Richard, what does he go as? Kids know that word is wrong.  If a kids types in "dick" then in that drop chart, Ennis' "dicks" series is accessible.  And if you have not seen those cover you are lucky.  Here is a good messed up one no kid should see.
 
I am not saying your wrong and I am right.  I just know that to make this site completely kid safe they have to lock certain things and/or have filters... or dumb down the site.  If the site is dumbed down, then what can I review?  Tiny Titans?.. which is brilliant, but its not an Alan Moore book. "
And yet all the books you are defending are the EXACT thing you don't support?
 
Cursing and porn are not what makes a good story, you can have a story that involves things like sex, rape, having kids, and have the sane amount of shock without ACTUALLY showing it. Cursing doesn't do anything to help a story and you can write a character without cursing and it still being an amazing comic, if a writer says that he couldn't think of anything better then he or she is obviously not a great writer. But getting back on subject, this thread is about CV saying no porn and yet letting porn onto the site, cursing can normally only be seen in comics when you read them, unless you see a scan from the comic where a character is cursing, but that is at this point is almost impossible to stop, so on that front you are right so I can't argue that, but I can argue that porn on the site can be stopped and CV can be made for a completely family friendly site and yet still be fun.
 
In the end, I have to go with exactly what I said in my first post and let this play out, I've said what I have wanted to say and I'm done:

I personally have always had an issue with this, but knew my arguments would never win because sadly I know that there are tons of people who would disagree with me on it and in other words support the things I am arguing against.

Avatar image for decept_o
Decept-O

8098

Forum Posts

33607

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 31

User Lists: 6

#37  Edited By Decept-O
@Silkcuts:
I am posting what was told to me and also posting info that should really be common sense.  All I did was attempt to offer a little.  Don't know if you're just writing things to troll, or be funny in your mind or what the case is but if you don't understand, please contact the Staff and leave me alone.  It is why I deleted this awhile ago because I knew someone was going to be a smart aleck with some smart aleck comment.
Avatar image for shadow_thief
Shadow_Thief

2511

Forum Posts

3

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 1

#38  Edited By Shadow_Thief
@Yumulu:  This definition brings up an excellent point, and that is how, exactly, one proves "intent." Since I seem to have a compulsion to collect useless things, I went to college and earned a BA in English Literature. A class of 20+ college students under the guidance of an instructor with a doctorate can spend an entire semester debating the author's "intent" in a single sentence without coming to anything remotely resembling a consensus. That's the trouble with an issue like this: you're inevitably going to have to just draw an arbitrary line in the sand, and there will just as inevitably be individuals who feel that you've either gone too far or haven't gone far enough. While this discussion is interesting, it is ultimately futile: even if it results in changes to the way the site is managed, it's just going to set someone else on the warpath, and the debate will continue.
Avatar image for powerherc
PowerHerc

86188

Forum Posts

211478

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 11

#39  Edited By PowerHerc
@Shadow_Thief:
Yes, yes, yes.  You can't please everyone all the time.   
Still, the Vine would do well to follow their own stated rules.
Avatar image for turoksonofstone
turoksonofstone

14918

Forum Posts

279807

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 18

User Lists: 24

#40  Edited By turoksonofstone
@War Killer said:

" @thegreatfour said:

" @War Killer: If they added a strict search option like on Google then that might work. "

The search bar they have is fine, the point is that porn is still porn and the fact that it is allowed on this site is the issue that has been stated in this thread to begin with.  The sad thing is that once certain Mod's and more users like VillainousV find this thread, anyone who agrees with me will lose this argument because at the end of the day most people are for porn, even though it's wrong. "
@The Angry Comic Book Critic said:

" Now they say this site is supposed to be family friendly site and well I've been looking over some of the comics here and they are by no means family friendly honestly they're PORN very artistic PORN yes but are still PORN and also many comics that I've found have swearing in title like for Sin City's "That Yellow Bastard" so the question is where does the line get drawn on this site for censorship on the site? Is it okay to swear in the context of what the story is? As well as show Nudity and sexual acts on reviews provided they are directly from the material the person reviewing? Now at the bottom of this there is a list of comics I urge you to take a look at these on this site they prove the hypocrisy on how this site chooses to censor material. Lastly what do you as a user think on all of this should these be censored as well as language is in reviews or should this site become more like youtube in terms of censorship levels or some other new thing we've yet to think of? I myself am a firm believer in freedom of speech provided it doesn't cause harm to anyone physically like it would if you screamed "Fire" in a crowded theater or if it is racist, prestigious or if it's hate speech against someone's sexuality so users what do you believe in?
 
For Nudity/Porn Comics on Comicvine
*Astounding Weird Penises 
*Cybersix (Eura Editoriale Comic book) 1993
*Euros Comix
*Bizarre Sex
*Verotik Comics
*Lost Girls by Alan Moore
 
Also here's a copy of the Comicvine FAQ on what's allowed on the site.....
 
"Look this is a nice community we’ve got here.  I don’t think we need a huge rule set other then saying “Be Nice”.  It’s the Road House rules, be nice.

  • Dont youtube spam the boards.
  • You can link to other sites IF your topic is not spam.
  • No profanity on Comicvine.
  • No sexually explicit talk or images."
   Now going by a strict interpretation of these rules none of the comics I mentioned should be aloud on the site but the rules are broken on this site even by the site itself. Is it hypocrisy at it's finest ladies and gentlemen saying one thing but doing the exact opposite? "

No Caption Provided
  
Avatar image for nova_prime_
Nova`Prime`

4172

Forum Posts

25

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#41  Edited By Nova`Prime`

That's what we need more censorship.

Avatar image for xerox_kitty
xerox_kitty

17342

Forum Posts

275139

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 15

User Lists: 22

#42  Edited By xerox_kitty

There's a difference between having a complete database of all comics ever, and allowing members to spread the filth that comes out of their potty mouths.  Kids don't go looking for the eros comics, but they do want to see reviews on the latest comics.  There is absolutely no reason for anyone to swear using the F-Word or S-Word.  There are countless other words to describe your dislike for movies or comics.  Having such a limited vocabulary isn't a sign of being 'angry', it's a sign of limited imagination. 
 
Everyone here knows they can self-censor their own posts.  The Reviews section of the site is not exempt from that rule.  That has nothing to do with eros comics.  So there's no need to confuse the two matters.

Avatar image for edwardwindsor
EdwardWindsor

14582

Forum Posts

3654

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 7

User Lists: 9

#43  Edited By EdwardWindsor
@xerox-kitty said:
" There's a difference between having a complete database of all comics ever, and allowing members to spread the filth that comes out of their potty mouths.  Kids don't go looking for the eros comics, but they do want to see reviews on the latest comics.  There is absolutely no reason for anyone to swear using the F-Word or S-Word.  There are countless other words to describe your dislike for movies or comics.  Having such a limited vocabulary isn't a sign of being 'angry', it's a sign of limited imagination. "
QFT
Avatar image for the_umbra_sorcerer
The Umbra Sorcerer

8362

Forum Posts

7692

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 3

@xerox-kitty said:
"There's a difference between having a complete database of all comics ever, and allowing members to spread the filth that comes out of their potty mouths.  Kids don't go looking for the eros comics, but they do want to see reviews on the latest comics.  There is absolutely no reason for anyone to swear using the F-Word or S-Word.  There are countless other words to describe your dislike for movies or comics.  Having such a limited vocabulary isn't a sign of being 'angry', it's a sign of limited imagination.  Everyone here knows they can self-censor their own posts.  The Reviews section of the site is not exempt from that rule.  That has nothing to do with eros comics.  So there's no need to confuse the two matters. "

Exellent Answer
Avatar image for mercy_
Mercy_

94928

Forum Posts

83653

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 15

#45  Edited By Mercy_
@lazystudent said:
" @xerox-kitty said:
" There's a difference between having a complete database of all comics ever, and allowing members to spread the filth that comes out of their potty mouths.  Kids don't go looking for the eros comics, but they do want to see reviews on the latest comics.  There is absolutely no reason for anyone to swear using the F-Word or S-Word.  There are countless other words to describe your dislike for movies or comics.  Having such a limited vocabulary isn't a sign of being 'angry', it's a sign of limited imagination. "
QFT "
Double QFT.
Avatar image for mercy_
Mercy_

94928

Forum Posts

83653

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 15

#46  Edited By Mercy_

And just to expand on what XK already so eloquently said, there's very little likelihood that somebody's going to stumble across one of the erotic comics that are added in the database. A lot of the time they are foreign language comics and the only way you find them (unless you intentionally go looking for them) is if you're checking the recent edits page. 

Avatar image for omega_ray_jay
Omega Ray Jay

8418

Forum Posts

50508

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 18

User Lists: 7

#47  Edited By Omega Ray Jay
@The Dark Huntress said:
" @lazystudent said:
" @xerox-kitty said:
" There's a difference between having a complete database of all comics ever, and allowing members to spread the filth that comes out of their potty mouths.  Kids don't go looking for the eros comics, but they do want to see reviews on the latest comics.  There is absolutely no reason for anyone to swear using the F-Word or S-Word.  There are countless other words to describe your dislike for movies or comics.  Having such a limited vocabulary isn't a sign of being 'angry', it's a sign of limited imagination. "
QFT "
Double QFT. "
I raise you to a treble QFT
Avatar image for maniac2312
Maniac2312

1169

Forum Posts

6

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 5

#48  Edited By Maniac2312

I agree with most of what xerox-kitty has to say except that *some* kids DO go look for said comics cause they know their parents think this is a safe site and won't be checking up on them.   When I was a kid, I would do this if the internet or computers even exsited way back then.
 
As for the reviews of the OP, I think they should be left up with either a *explicit language* warning or edited.
Avatar image for xerox_kitty
xerox_kitty

17342

Forum Posts

275139

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 15

User Lists: 22

#49  Edited By xerox_kitty
@Maniac2312: True.  For the most part, kids come on Comic Vine looking for Spider-Man, Batman, Iron Man, whoever the latest Avenger of the week is...  But there will always be horny kids looking for some T&A.  If they do come to Comic Vine looking for it, they're gonna be pretty disappointed.  There are some covers to the eros comics that I would rather not have on here, but that's personal taste.  Still, they're nothing compared to real porn which kids can find pretty easily.  If someone is looking for porn, then there's better places on the internet to look for it than the eros comic volumes here. 
Avatar image for maniac2312
Maniac2312

1169

Forum Posts

6

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 5

#50  Edited By Maniac2312
@xerox-kitty:
True, but (I hope) most parents watch their kids internet/tv activity better than to let them find it, for a kid a comic cover is more than enough to show off to friends. 
I do have to say some of the Power Girl/Supergirl pics in the fan art are pretty "racey", (I mention fan art cause if it's in the comic, you can't really do anything bout those ones :/ ), just something to think about. 
 
 
 
Not attacking or blamming you, just saying.