Hulk is stronger than Thor

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Hulk VS Thor is a battle that has gone on for well over half a century, and has been debated since the internet came out. There's no definitive winner to the battle because of how some writers have had Thor win, while others have had Hulk win. While Thor's abilities like his lightning (which has one-shot himself on multiple occasions) or his hammer (which has also downed himself multiple times) make the battle interesting, this thread is going to aim to prove that Hulk holds a solid strength advantage over Thor.

Standard Hulk:

This section is mainly referring to Savage Hulk, and will also use scaling from weaker Hulks like Professor Hulk, Intelligent Hulk, She-Hulk, Cho Hulk.

Let's begin with a variety of statements of Hulk being the strongest being on Earth, having the most powerful muscles on Earth, etc.

There are a lot more of these (which shouldn't be surprising since his whole tagline is Strongest one there is), but I can only post 200 images for the entire thread. Since Thor is a being on Earth, these statements would logically include him by proxy.

However, one might want some more direct statements of Hulk being stronger than Thor. Don't worry, he has those too.

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^6th statement is especially important, since Hulk was exposed to the warp core in 2007, meaning any instance prior to this was a weaker Hulk.

Hulk also has statements putting him over Hercules (who has been even with Thor in each physical encounter)

Scans 1-2 are Mephisto saying Hulk is the strongest present despite Hercules being present, and Scans 3-4 are Loki's spell revealing Hulk as the "mightiest of all" and then after Loki passes up on him due to lack of skill, shows Hercules.

These statements are further backed up by scaling such as how Killpower stalemated Hercules in armwrestling, but later on in the series under the same writer couldn't last 18.3 seconds against Prof Hulk

There are dozens of other similar instances like this, but this thread is about Hulk's superiority to Thor, so let's start with a fairly straightforward instance. Hulk tanks the same attack that Immobilized Thor.

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Next, a scientist gets his hands on a robot called Crypto-Man, who has half of Thor's power. He is eventually able to double the robot's power, making it possesses the full power of Thor.

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He uses the robot to wreak havoc on the city until Hulk steps on the scene. Hulk and the robot trade blows until Jarella gets injured. Hulk gets angry and starts to beat up the robot. The robot is supplied with even more power, but Hulk still smashes it.

So essentially, Hulk overpowered an amped version of a robot that already had the full power of Thor. It's a solid showing of physical superiority, but let's get into actual fights of Hulk VS Thor.

For some context, Leader was putting Hulk and Thor under an illusion. Hulk saw Thor as Abomination and Thor saw Hulk as Ulik.

Hulk and Thor grapple and Hulk overpowers Thor, sending him flying. The actual fight is much longer than this, but just consists of them trading blows. However, it's a very clean instance of Hulk overpowering Thor.

Next up is Hulk VS Avengers

Hulk takes combined hits from Thor, Iron Man, Giant-Man, and Wasp without much trouble. Eventually, the combined grip of the first 3 is able to restrain him. Wasp gets endangered by some rubble which causes Giant-Man to let go. Hulk then breaks the grip of Iron Man and Thor, who is seen holding his arm.

Thor might have been distracted due to Giant-Man releasing his grip, but that still doesn't mean Thor loosened his own grip. His hands were still wrapped around Mjolnir, and Mjolnir wrapped around Hulk. The fact that it's mentioned the combined grip is what holds Hulk along with Iron Man screaming at Giant-Man not to let go implies the three working together was crucial to restraining the Hulk.

Below is Captain America (leader/combat instructor of the Avengers and the best tactician on the planet) saying that ordinarily Hulk could keep the Avengers busy for hours, implying it would take Thor/Vision/Iron Man/Scarlet Witch/Giant-Man/Wasp/Cap hours to take regular Hulk down, if at all.

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Similar to Captain America's statement above, we have Bruce Banner stating that when Hulk finally decides to kill someone, not even the Avengers will be able to stop him.

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Continuing the theme of Hulk fighting Thor even with backup, we have Hulk VS Avengers+Agents of Atlas

Hulk can be seen choking out Thor and Ant-Man while being blasted by Wasp. Thor tries to break out of his grip but can't until Iron Man punches Hulk and Hulk tosses Thor aside. Even with the aid of two teams of heroes, Thor can't put Hulk down. The battle later ends when Venus calms down Hulk.

The below is a retelling of a Hulk VS Avengers fight. We don't see anymore of the fight besides this one well-drawn page, but there are a few interesting details. The first is that the Avengers are all down and only Thor is left, implying that even with their help Thor couldn't beat him. Second, Hulk is gripping Thor with his hand, and Thor is trying to break that grip with his right hand, but can't. Finally, look at Thor's knees. He's definitely being pushed back.

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Narration also said that Loki knew that if Thor was called into battle against Hulk he would be "most certainly defeated."

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The narration doesn't just say Loki believed that Hulk could beat Thor, it says that he knew Hulk would certainly beat Thor, meaning the narration confirms that Loki was correct.

Below are 6 images are everyone probably recognizes, but are still important to this thread.

  • Scan 1: Hulk overpowers Thor's arm and bashes him with his own hammer
  • Scan 2: Hulk bashes Thor with his own hammer, knocking him out (Hulk gave Thor some warning)
  • Scan 3-4: Hulk punches Thor, who the next time we see him was captured
  • Scan 5-6: After 3 punches from Hulk, Thor "slowly" struggles to get up and says Hulk may be stronger (coming from a proud warrior like Thor this says a lot)

Next up is Thor's fight with an armored villain dubbed "Annihilator"

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This "Annihilator" downs Thor in just three blows, with it being mentioned that one of them would have taken his head off if it hadn't hit Thor's helmet. Why is this important? Because "Annihilator" was revealed to be Hulk.

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Hulk is wearing Adamantium armor here and being bombarded by Anti-Matter, but the former wouldn't increase his striking. The latter is mentioned to be making Hulk angrier, and thus, stronger, but Hulk automatically gets stronger as a fight goes on.

Next instance has lots of context below, so make sure to read it all.

During a big battle with Onslaught, the entirety of the FF, X-Men, Avengers, and a few others were about to be killed. In order to save them, Franklin Richards created another Universe and teleported everyone to that Universe. They had their memories modified. The takeaway here is that the heroes in the Heroes Reborn Universe were not copies of the 616 heroes. Rather, they WERE the 616 heroes, just with modified memories. All of this is recapped here.

Funnily enough, the only members of the Avengers in Heroes Reborn that weren't actually their 616 counterparts were Thor and Hulk (due to convoluted reasons). However, HR Hulk was revealed to just be a fragmented 616 Hulk and they later merged. As for HR Thor, he stalemated with 616 Thor. Based on this, HR Hulk and Thor should scale to their 616 Counterparts.

Now that we've established this, let's look at their fights in HR, starting with their first one. Solid win for Hulk.

2nd fight. Onslaught possesses Thor and fights Hulk. Hulk has a physical edge per Onslaught's own admission, but gets the upperhand with lightning. Onslaught can't swing Mjolnir, so he switches bodies with Hulk and restrains Thor and punches him to the moon, who isn't seen for the rest of the issue. Another solid showing of physical superiority for Hulk.

3rd instance isn't a fight, but is still another demonstration of physical superiority. A Gamma core begins to overload. Thor and Thing try to close it, but can't do it quickly enough and succumb to the radiation. Hulk endures the radiation and closes it.

It's important to note that Gamma radiation weakens Hulk and this has been the case on multiple occasions.

A Hulk proof-cell was also seen as a step up from a cell that was tougher than Thor's hammer, which itself is more durable than Thor.

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Getting back to the classics, we have Hulk from a time period where his powers were still developing hitting hard enough to do only what Thor's hammer could have done (i.e, Thor's fists wouldn't be enough)

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Hulk also matched and gained the upperhand against Thor being bewitched into Warrior's Madness by Loki, which in the same scene was said to amp his strength tenfold.

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Thor also had a one hour long stalemate with Professor Hulk (who was pretending to be Maestro). During this fight, Thor entered Warrior's Madness and they were still even.

What makes this such a solid instance of Hulk being physically superior to Thor is that he was weakened due to the shrapnel in his body and could still match WM Thor.

Prof Hulk was also hit by Thor who had been brainwashed by Goddess. Hulk himself was unharmed by it, but had his space gear destroyed, which led to him drifting off into space.

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Professor Hulk also caught a hammerstrike from Red Norvell, who was created to be Thor's equal and stalemated him.

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Calm Hulk also stopped a hammerstrike from the real Thor.

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Thor also had a fight with a giant named Hrungnir, who was wearing special armor given to by him Loki which hugely amped his strength and durability, giving him striking Thor compared to the Hulk

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And how does the battle go for him?

Not too well. Hrunginir matches his 2 hands with one and cracks his bones with his hits and shatters Thor's arm with his club. Thor is in such a bad state by the end of this fight that he needed all his willpower just to stand. Thor only wins because the amp given to him has a time limit.

Thor also struggled to stand after being hit by the shockwave of Hulk's attack, and he was what tipped the scales of the Avengers (including Thor) in their favor.

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Jane Foster (who had Thor's power) also had a fight with Lady Kurse, who under the same writer was stated to be Hulk tier, where Lady had her at her mercy and Jane even hurt her hand hitting her.

Scaling down, we have Abomination (a Hulk rogue that Hulk has stomped multiple times) and Thor fighting for hours, each of them being exhausted, bruised, and battered, desperate to end the fight.

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Below will cover more instances of weaker Hulks compared to the likes of Thor/Herc/Jane

  • Scan 1: Intelligent Hulk tanks blasts that hit like Thor's hammer
  • Scans 2-3: Intelligent Hulk tanks a Mjolnir throw and grapples with Brainwashed Thor
  • Scan 4: Grey Hulk and Hercules bend Omnium Steel Bars the exact same amount with the exact same amount of help from Beast (indicating they are peers)
  • Scans 5-6: She-Hulk gives Thor a headache that "not even wonder drugs could cure" in 3 hits
  • Scan 7: She-Hulk holds back Hercules
  • Scan 8: She-Hulk and Cho Hulk (using one arm) each hold back one of Herc's arms
  • Scan 9: Savage She-Hulk overpowers Jane Thor
  • Scan 10: Cho Hulk blocks a Mjolnir strike from Jane Thor

A random Hulk clone was also able to keep its hold on Mjolnir's handle despite Thor using both arms in attempt to break its grip.

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What's also interesting about this sequence is that one of the Hulk clones was able to tank a Mjolnir throw with only being groggy, but sturdier versions were one-shot by Jen when she got angry.

Which makes sense when Cap stated She-Hulk and Thor are rivals in the strength department.

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Intelligent Hulk was also evenly matched with Rulk, who under the same writer defeated OF Thor

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Or Intelligent Hulk completely demolishing Arsenal, who under the same writer was intact from a combined attack from Thor and Scarlet Witch

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Or Intelligent Hulk jumping clean through a ship that Thor's strikes were only minorly chipping

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Or Thor and Intelligent Hulk's respective performances against Ultron in Secret Wars, where Ultron no-sold a hammer throw and lightning from Thor while Intelligent Hulk staggered and damaged Ultron with a punch.

Or how Rulk (who is much weaker than the real deal) after being heavily weakened was able to block a Mjolnir strike from Bloodlusted Gamma amped Thor and was only minorly bleeding after several more, and in his normal state couldn't be put down by BRB (who has Thor's powers)

Or how Wonder Man (someone with over 25 instances of rivaling Thor) has a consistently poor record against Hulks, ranging from being overpowered by Grey Hulk, being on the losing end against Abomination until he pulled out wires, being no-sold by Prof Hulk, and so on

Adding more instances of scaling from the same writer/story arc, there's Hulk one-shotting Ikol while Thor failed to do so over the course of several pages in Agent of Asgard.

Or Heroes Reborn Hyperion failing to break Hulk's grip and having to resort to heat vision while admitting Hulk could kill him, while later in the arc Thor was either damaging his hammer or bones striking a weakened Hyperion and Hype gained the upperhand.

Or Hulk knocking out Grandmaster's Hyperion, who in the same issue was shown stomping Thor in a flashback and mentioned he had withstood Thor's hammer.

Or Sunshine Fixit tanking several Mjolnir strikes from bloodlusted OF Thor but oozing blood from Savage Hulk's hits 4 issues later.

Or Vision being unphased by Thor's Mjolnir strike while the page after Hulk knocked him down and tore his leg off.

Or Hulk overpowering energy tendrils that restrained Thor and others

Going back to Cho Hulk, it's important to cover his fight with Thor.

Cho finally gives into his inner Hulk, and Thor is called into stop him. Thor says he won't hold back and is prepared to kill him. After a quick fight, Thor loses. In the last scan, Cho Hulk even restrains Thor with one hand, who can be seen trying to break free, but can't.

On the topic of not holding back, Thor's speech before their fight is telling too. He mentions how he's slain countless giants, trolls, and wicked gods. Thor is not a character with subconscious mental blocks or something, he just holds back when fighting weaker opponents like any other powerful hero.

Even in Thor's first fight with Hulk it was established that Thor couldn't afford to hold back. In later fights, Thor had turned as Savage as Hulk and lusted for victory and pride, leading him to overlook the lives of innocents, or was using every power at his disposal and still could barely hold his own and was being pushed to his limits. Even if one wanted to ignore all this evidence for the baseless headcanon that Thor only uses a fraction of his strength against Hulk, you could make a similar argument based on Xavier saying that Banner keeps Hulk in check.

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We've only seen Hulk completely removed from Banner's influence a few times. Below, I'll link my favorite instance since it's too long to post here.

Mindless Hulk VS Avengers

There are three things that should stand out during this fight.

  • Hulk flexing off Hercules, Wonder Man, Namor, and Iron Man
  • It took a combined effort of the above 4, plus She-Hulk, Spectrum, and several other Avengers all becoming "savagely bloodlusted" to gradually wear him down
  • Due to being separated from Banner, he was dying and losing strength throughout the fight

Honestly, can you see Thor replicating this showing if he was in Hulk's position? Not a chance.

Another instance of Hulk being removed of Banner's influence is in a fight with Onslaught.

Jean switches off Banner and Hulk begins to brawl with Onslaught, where Hank mentions he "has him on the ropes" The other heroes have to work together to even get near them clashing. Onslaught begins to overwhelm Hulk and pins him down. However, Hulk gets angry and breaks Onslaught's grip and cracks his armor.

It's self-explanatory why Hulk was portrayed as vastly stronger than Thor in this instance, but it gets even better with later information, where it was said that the other heroes couldn't even dent Onslaught's armor while Hulk managed to crack it.

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Next up we have Secret Empire, where Mindless Hulk breaks through a barrier which Thor explicitly couldn't.

Then there's Ulysses's vision (an inhuman with the power to predict the future) that Hulk would kill the Avengers, including Jane Thor.

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And finally, this section wouldn't be complete without the below statement.

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....or it would have been, if not for Starship Hulk's fight with OF Thor today.

Thor believes Hulk is responsible for 17 murders and comes after him. Banner gives Thor a black eye and bloodies him before the battle is moved elsewhere so Thor can cut loose. At one point, Thor pins Banner with Mjolnir but Banner is able to quite literally stand through it under his own power, while when Banner has Thor pinned he needs to sucker Banner with Mjolnir to escape. The fight keeps going until Odin invades Banner's mind.

The reason why I included this in the "standard Hulk" section is because of how the Starship works. Banner gives Hulk enemies to fight, which makes him angry, and Banner harnesses that anger to fuel Hulk's body while retaining full control. Hulk's power isn't actually being amplified in anyway, just stimulated and harnessed. In fact, given how Banner mentioned Hulk fought harder than he does, it's likely he wasn't even as strong as usual.

Now Thor on the other hand is having his power massively amplified. Thor is now the king of Asgard and Odin transferred the full Odin-Force to Thor. For reference, under the same writer when Thor didn't even have the full OF he almost killed BRB by recalling his hammer. Under different writers he was tanking hits that would have killed him had he not had it or let Heimdall no-sell hits from Masterson who had Thor's power or how a mere portion of it turned Annihilus from a consistent punching bag to the Thing to being capable of killing Masterson Thor in one swipe.

It's also confirmed that Thor isn't holding back with this being an all-out brawl and his hammer is upgraded.

Later on in their fight the Starship is destroyed by Iron Man wearing Celestial Armor, unleashing Savage Hulk.

Thor reveals that he called Iron Man for help, and while Thor is explaining the situation, Hulk sucker punches Thor. In the next page Thor is seen face down in the ground and it's only until the page after that where Thor mostly recovers. Hulk eventually gammabursts, and the resulting gamma affects Thor, causing him to Hulk out. It's also important to note that the gammaburst completely shredded the Celestial Armor, while Mjolnir did far less damage to it.

Continuing from the previous fight, Gamma OF Thor faces off against Savage Hulk.

Savage Hulk bloodies GOF (Gamma OdinForce) Thor before Gamma Thor jumps in and pummels Hulk. Hulk then catches his punch, headbutts him, and has him reeling from an earclap+kick. Banner regains control of Hulk and then catches Mjolnir (when Mjolnir in the same page broke GOF Thor's fingers), stacking the power of regular Thor on his own. They trade barehanded blows before Hulk uses Mjolnir and GOF Thor revves his strike up with lightning, causing half the planet to explode.

The fact that Hulk could catch a punch from this extremely amped version of Thor and have him reeling with his attacks is not a good look for Thor, nor is the fact that Hulk caught a hammer recall that broke Thor's fingers. Worthy Hulk (Hulk+regular Thor's power) also matched GOF Thor. Using basic math, we have Hulk+Thor=Thor+Odin-Force+Gamma. The Thor's cancels out, leaving Hulk=Gamma+Odin-Force, showing Hulk's clear superiority.

Continued below.

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Stronger Hulks:

Despite Thor's anything but flawless track record against Regular Hulk, there are still people who think Thor could beat stronger Hulks like Green Scar, WBH, Devil Hulk, etc. An interesting take to say the least.

First, while sparring with Korg, he outright said Green Scar hits harder than Thor.

Thor was definitely not holding back considering he was murdering Korg's brothers and caving their chests in. Meanwhile, Green Scar was just sparring with Korg and bantering with him, yet still hit harder than bloodlusted Thor. Imagine how hard Green Scar would have hit if this was a real fight.

Fortunately, we don't have to imagine.

Green Scar is hallucinating the Warbound as the Illuminati. He punches Korg (Iron Man) once, who isn't seen until 2 pages later. The narration then says that Korg has never been closer to death as he is in this moment, despite it already being established that Korg fought a Bloodlusted Thor and only got chipped.

This isn't Korg's only encounter with a bloodlusted Thor. He also fought a bloodlusted Thor who was pumped full of gamma energy, tanking a lightning discharge from his hammer, and two hits.

You'll also notice A-Bomb tanking a lightning discharge from his hammer, and Skaar quickly recovering from a surprise attack from this amped Thor, and hurting him with a blast of Old Power.

Under the same writer two issues later, Green Scar fought Skaar, tanking his amplified Old Power without screaming (unlike Gamma Thor against Skaar's regular old power) and mentioning how he could crush him like an egg.

Greg Pak also mentioned that a fight between Odin-Force Thor and Green Scar wouldn't go well for Thor. The original script for WWH actually has OF Thor and Green Scar fight, but the script was changed so Sentry would do so instead.

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Now for some more scaling.

Green Scar also sent an amped Fin Fang Foom through the barrier that keeps the Mindless Ones from entering the Dark Dimension. The only other feats of this barrier are tanking hits from Savage Hulk and the Mindless Ones and hammer throw from Thor, and it has no anti-feats.

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This same Amped Fin Fang Foom was later brutally killed. How? Green Scar fully stopped holding back and clashed with Red She-Hulk (who was amped to his level). The shockwave of their clash destroyed the planet they were on and cracked a nearby moon, along with incinerating Foom and Bi-Beast and Wendigo.

I linked RTs for those 3 Hulk rogues so there would be some reference to their capabilities. If you click on them, you'll see stuff like Bi-Beast being stated to be as strong as regular Hulk and giving him a tough time, or Foom being stated to be a challenge to Hulk and giving him and other-high tiers a tough time, or Wendigo being said to potentially be Hulk's toughest foe and slicing him with his claws and giving him a tough fight multiple times.

No-selling their attacks and them struggling to get near him would already be far beyond Hulk or Thor. WBH incinerating them with just the shockwave of his clash? That's literal orders of magnitude above Thor.

I'll also cover Devil Hulk below, with some added scaling from Current She-Hulk (who is equal to IH)

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@antebellum:

Standard Thor beats Hulk until Savage/Indestructible Hulk if he fight smart.

I can agree with this, but Thor doesn't fight smart that often.

Green Scar is debatable, but Hulk more often than not.

It's not debatable. Green Scar was stomping Thor tier opponents like Ares and Hercules, and even opponents much stronger like an Amped Loeb Red Hulk. He was said to hit harder than Bloodlusted Thor while sparring. He was also intended to fight OF Thor and Pak (the writer of the WWH event) said it wouldn't go well for him. All of this is in the OP.

Worldbreaker Hulk > Thor.

Missing several >>>> signs. WBH incinerated people who have given Savage Hulk a good fight and were stated to be his peers with the shockwave of his clash.

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#7  Edited By rajjarsalt

How can Ares be Herc tier considering their fights against the Hulk(s)

Still, as a true Hulk fan, I applaud your efforts here.

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#8 takenstew22  Moderator

Water is wet.

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#9  Edited By SirDragonFly

Thor is stronger than Hulk! DEAL WITH IT!

Thor officially confirmed to be stronger than Hulk:

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Thor murdering both Hulk and Thing simultaneously with only one eye:

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Nearly killing Hulk:

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One shotting a force which Hulk can't stop, also confirming that Thor is not of Earth, meaning those statements of "Hulk being the strongest on Earth" are irrelevant:

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One shotting Hulk's equal:

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While weakened, overpowering a massively amped Hulk:

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Thor is stronger than Hulk! DEAL WITH IT!

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@sirdragonfly: Trolling and alternate reality scans aside, what do you think of the thread?

Also, where's that first guidebook from?

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@karkus:

I think that somebody replaced old you with new you while making this thread, because I haven't seen you write even 1/100 of the length of this post.

Also, Hulk > Thor is pretty much religion at this point so I think this thread was excess. The only people thinking otherwise are soo into Thor wank that you can't change their opinion and they would just keep spamming stuff where Thor is implied to be stronger than Hulk or just spam Thor shattering moons while fighting Gorr.

Thor Marvel Figurine Collection Book.

Also, I have a few more scans from guidebooks implying/saying that Hulk > Thor and I can post them here.

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@sirdragonfly: Thanks. Mind posting those guidebooks saying Hulk > Thor? Preferably the full page.

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The retelling of the first fight between Thor and Hulk, and it is said that "it soon became obvious that Hulk possessed far greater strength and endurance":

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Thor can match Hulk in raw power but only with aid from Mjolnir:

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Physically, yes, but Mjolnir gives Thor the edge in a fight.

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I also like how you talk about multiple versions of Hulk, but only argue against standard Thor.

Little biased, eh?

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I also like how you talk about multiple versions of Hulk, but only argue against standard Thor.

Little biased, eh?

Well the battle forums are proof of this

Use standard versions of regular characters and the strongest version of Hulk in those fights

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@Aristeaus said:

I also like how you talk about multiple versions of Hulk, but only argue against standard Thor.

Little biased, eh?

Not really. I had one section for Standard Hulk being superior and the weaker ones performing well against Thor and his peers to back that up, and another for stronger hulks like Green Scar and WBH since people still seem to think Standard Thor beats him.

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I also like how you talk about multiple versions of Hulk, but only argue against standard Thor.

Concession accepted.

Little biased, eh?

Eh?

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@karkus said:

Not really. I had one section for Standard Hulk being superior and the weaker ones performing well against Thor and his peers, and another for stronger hulks like Green Scar since people still seem to think Standard Thor beats him.

This section is mainly referring to Savage Hulk

Sorry, do you think Savage Hulk is standard?

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i mean, yeah, hard to see someone dispute that now sadly.

but the warrior madness and this

hitting hard enough to doonly what Thor's hammer could havedone (i.e, Thor's fists wouldn't be enough)

is false, Thor did replicate this feat with his fists in the 90s

other than that it´s a great thread

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@karkus: Have you watched this vid? According to him its 5 wins for thor, 2 wins for hulk, and 22 draws

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Bruh...

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Hulk is physically superior, Thor is more powerful & versatile.

Hulk wins decisively in a slugfest/brawl, Thor wins decisively in an all out war/battle.

I feel like that’s pretty much known & gospel at this point.

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Hulk is physically superior, Thor is more powerful & versatile.

Hulk wins decisively in a slugfest/brawl, Thor wins decisively in an all out war/battle.

I feel like that’s pretty much known & gospel at this point.

Thor has no means to put him down..

I also like how you talk about multiple versions of Hulk, but only argue against standard Thor.

Little biased, eh?

Has Thor ever had any significant strength increases ?

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@kgb725 said:
@theincrediblesuperhulk8642 said:

Hulk is physically superior, Thor is more powerful & versatile.

Hulk wins decisively in a slugfest/brawl, Thor wins decisively in an all out war/battle.

I feel like that’s pretty much known & gospel at this point.

Thor has no means to put him down..

What makes you say that?

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@kgb725 said:

Has Thor ever had any significant strength increases ?

Dozens of times.

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Hulk being superior to Thor is not news to anyone who with more than 5 braincells.

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Hulk being superior to Thor is not news to anyone who with more than 5 braincells.

Strength yea. Everything else? That's debatable.

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@ironmansheets said:

Hulk being superior to Thor is not news to anyone who with more than 5 braincells.

Strength yea. Everything else? That's debatable.

Healing factor and durability as well. Speed is Thor greatest enemy.

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#33  Edited By BlessedbyHorus

@twrtwrtw said:
@blessedbyhorus said:
@ironmansheets said:

Hulk being superior to Thor is not news to anyone who with more than 5 braincells.

Strength yea. Everything else? That's debatable.

Healing factor and durability as well. Speed is Thor greatest enemy.

Since when was Hulk waaaaay to fast for Thor? And imo Thor has shown better durability. There have always been a back and forth between the two in one upping each other. I think their equal.

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@blessedbyhorus said:
@twrtwrtw said:
@blessedbyhorus said:
@ironmansheets said:

Hulk being superior to Thor is not news to anyone who with more than 5 braincells.

Strength yea. Everything else? That's debatable.

Healing factor and durability as well. Speed is Thor greatest enemy.

Since when was Hulk waaaaay to fast for Thor? And imo Thor has shown better durability. There have always been a back and forth between the two in one upping each other. I think their equal.

I guess you're not aware of the Slow Odinson jokes in this web site. Durability is still up to debate. But overall, I think Thor should win 6-7/10 in any fight against the Hulk due to mjolnir.

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@karkus: Have you watched this vid? According to him its 5 wins for thor, 2 wins for hulk, and 22 draws

"...for instance he never mentions that both Hulk and Thor knocked each other out in Hulk 2001 annual, he counts that whole fight as a win just for Thor. He counts a fight in Thor 385 that ended in a stalemate as a win for Thor, he counts a non-canon fight from a OF Thor in Reinging as a win for Thor, he counts Hammer and Sinew as a win for Thor despite that also being non-canon, he mentions several other fights that are also non-canon and treats them as canon although those ended in a stalemate. He has no consistency in the way he describes win for either of them, sometimes counting a stalemate as a win for Thor while other times not counting Hulk knocking out Thor as a win for Hulk, he count Thor BFRing Hulk as a win for Thor but when Hulk BFR'd Thor he didn't count the win for Hulk. Like i said it's a poorly researched and heavily biased video, which is shown in the conclusion he reaches in the end that Thor has to win over Hulk because he is a "god", despite that such label means nothing in the comics as there have been beings that aren't gods that have treated guys like Hulk and Thor like toys ..."

By ZillaG, from here: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/red-hulk-vs-iceman-1687365/

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Damn straight he is.

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#39  Edited By twrtwrtw
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Fascinating thread. Truly a golden championing of the power of Hulk! Pray tell, what would be your rebuttal to such instances as Thor breaking in Hulk's face the Marvel way, or Thor while not at his best triumphing over Nul, breaker of worlds? Consistently speaking, it seems Thor has Hulk's number more often than you have presented.

I'll be crafting a full rebuttal in the meantime, like No One has done before.

It could be argue that Banner was subconsciously restraining Nul, like he does with the other Hulks:

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Didn't Nul get BFR'd into space? That's hardly a sign of being stronger if you need that win condition to achieve victory

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If you ask me (or Superman) you knew you couldn't beat him so you sent him far away

See DeSaad vs. Doomsday. Or DeSaad posing as Darkseid versus Superman (in which he admits he lost despite successfully BFRing his opponent)

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@tifalockhart: A lot of people claim that Thor knock Nul out, since his eyes are "seemely closed" and his word bubble is empty:

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@twrtwrtw: there’s no sound in space and those people don’t sound like they’ve ever seen a knockout before

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@tifalockhart: In their defense, characters keep talking in space all the time.

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Thor holds back against mortals and rarely uses his full arsenal, even against Hulk.

Thor had killed people stronger more powerful than Hulk so if he actually fought him seriously and jsed l his tools Thor wins mid diff in all honesty.

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Thor holds back against mortals and rarely uses his full arsenal, even against Hulk.

Thor had killed people stronger more powerful than Hulk so if he actually fought him seriously and jsed l his tools Thor wins mid diff in all honesty.

So does Hulk:

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Thor is stronger than Savage Hulk, while Hulk have the potential to increase above Thor.

Thor would be WWH levels of strength. While he would be below Hulks such as WBH.

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@byondeon said:

Thor is stronger than Savage Hulk, while Hulk have the potential to increase above Thor.

Thor would be WWH levels of strength. While he would be below Hulks such as WBH.

Did you not read the thread and all the evidence presented?

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@sophisticated_ignorance said:

Thor holds back against mortals and rarely uses his full arsenal, even against Hulk.

Thor had killed people stronger more powerful than Hulk so if he actually fought him seriously and jsed l his tools Thor wins mid diff in all honesty.

Thor doesn't hold back against mortals specifically, just people who aren't at his strength level. There are many instances where he's gone all out against mortals. Against Hulk, he specifically doesn't hold back, which I proved in this thread.

Even in Thor's first fight with Hulk it was established that Thor couldn't afford to hold back. In later fights, Thor had turned as Savage as Hulk and lusted for victory and pride, leading him to overlook the lives of innocents, or was using every power at his disposal and still could barely hold his own and was being pushed to his limits.

Thor typically doesn't use his full arsenal because he forgets it exists, he's not consistently a smart fighter. Hulk also stalemated Warrior Madness Thor while weakened, defeated a robot that had Thor's full power, has been stated to be stronger than him multiple times, etc.

Hulk has also beaten people more powerful than Thor, and even has teambusting feats like the time he defeated the combined force of Destroyer, Juggernaut, Skurge, Absorbing Man, Klaw, Kang, Dragon Man, Awesome Android, Annihilus, Crimson Dynamo, Super-Skrull, etc.

Thor has been a punching bag to the Destroyer in each of their fights, struggles with the likes of Juggernaut or Super-Skrull or Skurge alone. Busting a team like this? Thor can't possibly rep.