Bleach >>>>>>>>>>>>> Naruto > One Piece. This one is pretty easy for me. PSK and SK Yhwach spite the other two verses
High Tiers:
Bleach> Naruto > One Piece
Mid Tiers:
Bleach>=Naruto>One Piece. This is where I put Espada, Non High Tier Captains, Kages and probably some relevant Arc Villains in One Piece like some of the Shishibukai. Not sure where the current crew would fit since I don't read a lot of One Piece nowadays.
Low Tiers:
One Piece >= Bleach > Naruto. This one I am not completely sure, but I am accouting for low tiers Devil Fruit user back in the day.
Fodders:
Bleach>Naruto>One Piece since any fodder Hollow or Shinigami has the ability to affect souls and are invisible.
Im a big DC and AP person and Bleach biggest DC feat was kenpachi destroying a city sized meteor or Ulquiorra Lanza explosion
All of this fails in Comparison with 50% Naruto tanking moon splitter which shits on every feat in bleach manga , you could argue Ywach merging worlds is bigger but it’s a overtime thing it isn’t instant
Kishimoto making 50% Naruto Tank a moon splitter is a big F You to Bleach since they are known for slicing attacks but never showed a feat close to moon splitter Toneri and tanking it like Naruto boy
Toneri moon feat isn't slicing per say.did GWRE had a sharp edge? Not to mention that's an energy beam made from a TSB which are known for their disintegrating effects.
Not everything is an attempt to Nerf. I take nothing away from toneri feat, it is indeed one of the greatest on-panel DC feat in the HST.
That doesn't stop the fact that it wasn't a blade, as you previously implied. The moon was split in half,Yes. However it never accomplished that by cutting the moon with a sharp edge. For example I could use a blow torch to split a metal object,The metal object melts and it splits but it wasn't a cutting feat done by a sharp object,it was done using heat. Same goes for GWRE it wasn't sharp to begin with.
Toneri moon feat isn't slicing per say.did GWRE had a sharp edge? Not to mention that's an energy beam made from a TSB which are known for their disintegrating effects.
The TSB lose their disintegrating effect once they get used as a technique........that should be known by now
when was that stated, that TSB loses its disintegrating effect? You make it sound like its general knowledge, but I have no recollection of that at all. Who made this statement? i could have missed it.
when was that stated, that TSB loses its disintegrating effect?
It was more inferred or a common implication if you kept up with it's consistency then a statement. All of Toneri's attack that involved him using the TSB had no disintegrating effects, even the ones he used against shikamaru and co.
You make it sound like its general knowledge, but I have no recollection of that at all. Who made this statement? i could have missed it.
@ultimatesage: TSOs lack they disintegration properties temporarily when they are charged with chakra or when they change their material forms for unknown reasons, we have examples of this happening during the series and Naruto The Last movie.
I'm pretty sure in the manga series, the TSB never lost their disintegration properties even when they changed form.
As for the Last, I had to watch the toneri fight again and i still don't see it. But I do see where you're coming from, it's probably the SWRE, however SWRE never hit shikamaru and Co, they where just ravished by the shockwave.
@saxz: Nope, not really, this comes from the stance where Juubito charged his TSO with chakra to make a grenade, Tobirama's clone touched the orb with it's bare hands and hold it, returned to Juubito while still touching it and his hands wasn't disintegrate. And the SWRE had a massive AoE, Shikamaru, Sakura and Sai were hit by it. We also have Toneri creating a cage with TSO and failing to disintegrate Hinata and he used GWRE 2 times despite seeing that Naruto could interact with his TSOs, even when Naruto survived the first time, which doesn't make sense as he was aware that TSOs don't work in Naruto as well SWRE as Naruto was hit 2 times by it, one when he unlocked the Tenseigan, the other in the power clash between Rasengan and SWRE where both attacks detonated, the GWRE even acted different from others TSOs considering the impact it made when hit the ground.
Naruto >>>>>>>> all in every category. Admit it, Judarra was multi planetary Tier while the god tiers of another verses except for Yuha is nowhere near that level. And this just Judarra who is a fodder to someone like Kinshiki and Momoshiki and Jigen.
God tiers: kind of a case by case basis. I'd personally say yhwach, SK, lille>naruto>bleach>one piece. In some scenarios though some other bleach God tiers could be above naruto one and vice versa
High tiers: bleach>one piece>naruto
Now hashirama and madara are the only huge high tiers that naruto has. The power gap here for naruto is enormous so that's the groups as a whole
Mid tiers: one piece>bleach>naruto
Low tiers: who's low tier for one piece? And I consider chunin exam neji a low tier for naruto. I don't see him beating someone like chad or SS uryu
Fodder: one piece>naruto>bleach
Fodder hollows are better than all though. I'm just counting soul reapers
@saxz: Nope, not really, this comes from the stance where Juubito charged his TSO with chakra to make a grenade, Tobirama's clone touched the orb with it's bare hands and hold it, returned to Juubito while still touching it and his hands wasn't disintegrate.
Oh yeah I remembered that, but I still don't see it. Tobirama is pretty fast with FTG and the TSB don't disintegrate that fast in some cases. Minato replicated that feat in an even worse scenario with 2 regular TSBs moving at high speeds. And I am pretty sure Tobirama knew he couldn't perform that feat unscathed, which is why he used a clone In the first place.
That scenario isn't enough to just assume the TSB didn't disintegrate, considering the context behind FTG.
And the SWRE had a massive AoE, Shikamaru, Sakura and Sai were hit by it.
I don't think they were hit by it, SWRE was a weird attack, sort of like a hurricane with a holes in the middle and a lot of wind and shockwave being kicked about by the rotating TSB. the team escaped that attack with relatively 0 damage. If we assume they got hit directly by that attack(as opposed to the wind and shockwave) ....then it means a couple of Mid tiers can no sell a special attack(possibly his 2nd strongest attack) from Toneri-a god tier. And SWRE goes on to stalemate the Rasengan AP of SPSM Naruto, so it isn't lacking in ap department at all.
We also have Toneri creating a cage with TSO and failing to disintegrate Hinata
Hinata was juiced up with six path juice at this point. TSB has no effect on her.
and he used GWRE 2 times despite seeing that Naruto could interact with his TSOs, even when Naruto survived the first time, which doesn't make sense as he was aware that TSOs don't work in Naruto as well SWRE as Naruto was hit 2 times by it, one when he unlocked the Tenseigan, the other in the power clash between Rasengan and SWRE where both attacks detonated.
TSB are also quite sturdy materials, so even with their disintegration nulled ,they can still be very useful. As seen throughout the series with Obito, Madara and Naruto fights.
One from the top of my head is when Madara used TSB to defend against Naruto's attempted blitz-punch. Even when he just noted that Naruto has gotten immune to TSB disintegration.
, the GWRE even acted different from others TSOs considering the impact it made when hit the ground.
IIRC, regular TSO also made those impacts, for example; the impact when Naruto kicked a TSO into the god tree or when Gai helped Kakashi dodged Madara's TSO and then the TSO made an impact and kicked up debris when it hit the ground.
Oh yeah I remembered that, but I still don't see it. Tobirama is pretty fast with FTG and the TSB don't disintegrate that fast in some cases.
But this have nothing to do with the disintegration, the TSOs effects are very fast when it comes to Juubito because we actually saw they disintegrating Minato's kunai that effortless sliced through Gyuki before he could barely move a few inches, Tobirama's clone whereas interacted with the TSO charged and gave back to Obito while still having time to say he was giving it back to him, all of this stuff happened without Tobirama's hand disappear or suffer any disintegrating effect.
Minato replicated that feat in an even worse scenario with 2 regular TSBs moving at high speeds.
????? When this happened ? I only remember him teleport away Madara's TSOs with him, but the part of his cloak that was touched was disintegrated, he was just fast enough to remove it before the TSO touch his body.
And I am pretty sure Tobirama knew he couldn't perform that feat unscathed, which is why he used a clone In the first place.
We don't know why exactly Tobirama used a clone, as far we know he had no knowledge that Juubito could nullify ninjutsu till that point and outright stated that teleport a clone is far slower, meaning he could have done that by himself in a faster scale but choose to not do for no reason however.
That scenario isn't enough to just assume the TSB didn't disintegrate, considering the context behind FTG.
But there is no context behind FTG, is just a space time ninjutsu that will teleport you to a marked location.
I don't think they were hit by it, SWRE was a weird attack, sort of like a hurricane with a holes in the middle and a lot of wind and shockwave being kicked about by the rotating TSB.
But there was no TSO on that occasion, when Toneri uses SWRE, the TSOs completely disappear and they create another form losing the effects they usually have. We can even see in the video that they were inside the tornado and were hit by those winds, if the SWRE has the same effects as the TSOs it should be expected that they would be disintegrated or at very least affected by any effect the TSOs should usually have as obviously speaking, wind that hits them is the same wind as the Tornado is made of and should logically disintegrate people which it didn't, even the crust that was hit by the Tornado didn't disintegrated it was crushed and had parts of it spread across the moon.
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the team escaped that attack with relatively 0 damage. If we assume they got hit directly by that attack(as opposed to the wind and shockwave) ....then it means a couple of Mid tiers can no sell a special attack(possibly his 2nd strongest attack) from Toneri-a god tier.
Pretty sure this would then by a anti-feat as we know that this attack on panel made a large hole in the Moon crust while blasting away with it a huge part of a forest which seems too much for anyone not named Naruto, Hinata and Sakura to tank, my point is not they tanking any attack, my point is how those attacks Toneri displayed while using TSOs in different forms lacked any disintegration effects, his TSOs for example are charged with his chakra, when such a thing happen, TSO users or Six Paths Chakra users are not an exception for the disintegration rule, they will be affect by it, as a proof of that, Juubito charged his TSO and expanded it damaging himself in the process despite his already resistant to TSOs. Toneri's orbs in the other hand when changed form lacked this, we know that they were in a similar manner as Juubito charged with his Tenseigan chakra but the wind his tornado release failed to disintegrate anyone even the forest or the crust, and the cage he created using the same TSOs also could be touched by Hinata.
And SWRE goes on to stalemate the AP of SPSM Naruto, so it isn't lacking in ap department at all.
That was BSM Naruto, the novel and Retsu no Sho confirmed this already though.
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Hinata was juiced up with six path juice at this point. TSB has no effect on her.
WDYM ? Six Paths user are completely vulnerable by TSOs if they have chakra with them, even Naruto was trying to avoid direct contact with the Greens TSOs despite still having six paths chakra.
TSB are also quite sturd materials, so even without their disintegration nulled ,they can still be very useful. As seen throughout the series with Obito, Madara and Naruto fights.
But Madara's TSOs were useless against Six Paths chakra users unless you charge them with chakra, Naruto only stabbed Kaguya's arm with one and Juubito could freely kill everyone as long he target their bodies cuz Senjutsu only allows you to make contact with TSOs with your jutsus but your body is still vulnerable as proved when Madara sliced a SM Minato's arm nullifying his regeneration despite he possessing Senjutsu travelling through his body, but was surprised knowing that Naruto could touch his TSO despite being aware of SM.
One from the top of my head is when Madara used TSB to defend against Naruto's attempted blitz-punch. Even when he just noted that Naruto has gotten immune to TSB disintegration.
He didn't knew Naruto was immune physically to TSOs, Sasuke even said the reasons he could have touch the TSOs was because they were blessed by Hagoromo's chakra, he said that being pretty aware that Naruto was using SM, and again, Madara knew Naruto had SM, and he knew this was the only way he could have a chance against Juubito, his surprise when Naruto touched it without having his hand disintegrated is a proof a senjutsu users can't interact directly with a TSO unless he is using a Senjutsu based power such as jutsus that don't require the user to make contact with them.
IIRC, regular TSO also made those impacts, for example; the impact when Naruto kicked a TSO into the god tree or when Gai helped Kakashi dodged Madara's TSO and then the TSO made an impact and kicked up debris when it hit the ground.
I'm aware that TSOs have a weight, my point is how the difference in impact between SWRE/GWRE and those effects to the TSOs.
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