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#1 Posted by Manny Faces (79 posts) - - Show Bio

i dont think he,s all that evil i mean he controls magnetism if he wanted to kill everyone he could pull the planet in to the sun right enlightin me plzz?

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#2 Posted by Korg (11351 posts) - - Show Bio

http://www.comicvine.com/magneto/29-1441/how-are-magnetos-power-are-limitless/92-22101/#37

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#3 Posted by Djinn (864 posts) - - Show Bio

he isnt evil, he just thinks what he does is good and would go as far as possible to accomplish what he want, killiung everyone on earth isnt going to help him with what he wants

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#4 Posted by Korg (11351 posts) - - Show Bio
Djinn said:
"he isnt evil"
I dunno, he's done some pretty evil stuff.
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#5 Posted by gunswordfist (2690 posts) - - Show Bio
Korg said:
"Djinn said:
"he isnt evil"
I dunno, he's done some pretty evil stuff."
Evil hehe that's such a funny word. Things aren't so black and white and Magneto's actions sure aren't.
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#6 Posted by Korg (11351 posts) - - Show Bio
gunswordfist said:
"Evil hehe that's such a funny word. Things aren't so black and white and Magneto's actions sure aren't."
Yeah, sinking a sub full of people and killing them all sure does fall in a grey area...
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#7 Posted by xerox_kitty (17342 posts) - - Show Bio

This should be in the X-Men forum, not Gen Discussion.  And the title suggested a question about power, but then you start talking about ethics.  Morality has nothing to do with the strength of Magneto's powers.  

Since when were mass murders and dictators not "evil"?   Is it because he was a child survivor of Auschwitz?  Does that somehow excuse him being a murderer?  Or the old comparison of Malcolm X and Martin Luthor King for Magneto & Xavier's tactics?  By alluding to civil rights movements, does that justify his repeated attempts of supremacy?
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#8 Posted by Const@ (3 posts) - - Show Bio
xerox-kitty said:
"This should be in the X-Men forum, not Gen Discussion. 
It's fine here
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#9 Posted by Cezar_TheScribe (2780 posts) - - Show Bio
Korg said:
"gunswordfist said:
"Evil hehe that's such a funny word. Things aren't so black and white and Magneto's actions sure aren't."
Yeah, sinking a sub full of people and killing them all sure does fall in a grey area..."
That makes him evil. ;)

He also thinks mutants are superior to humans.

And, they should rule over humans or all humans should be killed.

Magneto was ranked number 17 on Wizard Magazine's Top 100 Greatest Villains Ever list.
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Cezar_TheScribe said:


He also thinks mutants are superior to humans.

And, they should rule over humans or all humans should be killed.

Magneto was ranked number 17 on Wizard Magazine's Top 100 Greatest Villains Ever list."

Yet, funnily enough, his opinions of humans are pretty much just a mirror to what is thought by the majority of humans in many X-men comics.

Yet does that make humanity inherently evil?

When you look at Magneto, his history, his direct insight into humanity: you step outside the realm of comic book black and white and into philosophy.  Thats why I like him as a character.  I dont see him as evil: evil is subjective, and not really something that can really be seen as real.  He's not black and white, and neither is reality.  The most 'good' men kill when given a reason they see as right, even when that reason is really very wrong to others.  Magneto is fighting for a cause he see's as just, even if to his 'enemies' (humanity) he is not.  Yet many humans who see his actions as evil hoot and cheer when they see a mutant getting killed on the street, and thats when they dont toss in a stone.  There is no black and white.  The world is shades of grey, and the appearance of that shade depends entirely on where you stand.
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#11 Posted by Cezar_TheScribe (2780 posts) - - Show Bio
With that "logic" anything someone does is just fine as long as they think it is and they believe they are doing something good.

What if Jeffery Dahmer thought he was doing something good? 
I guess he shouldn't have been arrested.

Charles Manson thinks he is doing good. Let him out.

Evil is apparent. If you can't see evil you have problems.
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#12 Posted by King Saturn (223002 posts) - - Show Bio
Magneto is very powerful
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#13 Posted by rey of darkness (64 posts) - - Show Bio
Cezar_TheScribe said:
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With that "logic" anything someone does is just fine as long as they think it is and they believe they are doing something good.

What if Jeffery Dahmer thought he was doing something good? 
I guess he shouldn't have been arrested.

Charles Manson thinks he is doing good. Let him out.

Evil is apparent. If you can't see evil you have problems.
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You can't compare Psychotic murders to Magneto, Magneto has very extreme views and has killed innocent people but if you'd seen all the crap he's seen it kind of hard not to share his views. He see's mutants as a fresh start something better, people who can live in peace and harmony, but he believes it won't happen as long humans continue to attack them, and it's not like he hasn''t tried to go the peaceful route, he tries even now, but he always gets to a point were he thinks the only thing that will work is physical defiance. I'm not saying this is the right thing to do but its not exatly an evil path, it's a path that rely can't be define. Saying Magneto is evil is like saying the U.S is evil or Britian, or basicially any country every formed, because they've all done something controversial that they've saw as justify. But to answer the orignal question, Magneto's power level is always different but I'm pretty sure he could control the magnetic field if he wanted.
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#14 Edited by Cavalry (240 posts) - - Show Bio
Cezar_TheScribe said:
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With that "logic" anything someone does is just fine as long as they think it is and they believe they are doing something good.

What if Jeffery Dahmer thought he was doing something good? 
I guess he shouldn't have been arrested.

Charles Manson thinks he is doing good. Let him out.

Evil is apparent. If you can't see evil you have problems.
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Its not logic, its philosophy.  I am not defending Magneto's arguments, and I am not 'unable to see evil and have problems'.  So back off on the insults. I merely tried to find the same rational thought I would expect from a university seminar here.  I'll try and find an intelligent response on a second try.. I was very hesitant to post that small argument as I knew some lack the deeper thought to read between lines and think outside the box of what they have been told and see as gospel.  Everything comes about from questioning what you have been told, and you need to question something to find out why it is done.

Magneto is fighting a war.  War turns people desperate, and draws them to commit acts that are seen as evil in peacetime.  Men kill others, by any logical definition it is mass murder, but since it is comited during a time as conflict it is not seen as such.  Again, Magneto is fighting a war.  Not only does this seem to 'justify' such acts of killing on a smaller scale, it also is seen to justify atrocities.  America nuked men, women and children and many saw it as right and just  'because they were in a war'.  Europe used poison gas which killed men, women and children 'because they were in a war' in the first world war.  Both terrible atrocities.  Yet they were justified.

Not only is Magneto fighting a war, he is doing it for a vulnerable minority who for the most part are unable to defend themselves, they are scattered and unorganised.  Indirectly, he is also fighting for mankind. The next leap in evolution.

He's been there before.  He see's what happens when a accepted discriminated-against minority sits back and tries to ride out an ever more turbulent storm.  And he ended up in Auschwitz last time.

He is a deeply complex character, and I can see why so many are unable to grasp at his subtler side, and just see a drawn scowl and an impressive helmet that is designed to dehumanise his image.

For an interesting analysis on Magneto, check out this link.
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#15 Posted by Cezar_TheScribe (2780 posts) - - Show Bio
"You can't compare Psychotic murders to Magneto, Magneto has very extreme views and has killed innocent people."
 
Sure you can't. :/   He has murdered innocent people just like a psychotic murderer.
 
Also, scroll up to see the comment about Magneto sinking a sub and killing people.
 
"I merely tried to find the same rational thought I would expect from a university seminar here."
 
University seminar? You mean in colleges where they teach Marxism?
Socialism?  Wake up.
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#16 Posted by clockworkcanary (70 posts) - - Show Bio

Question: would Magneto's powers be vulnerable to heat/fire-using mutants since enough heat will mess up magnetism?

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#17 Posted by speedlgt (2138 posts) - - Show Bio

Could he kill hulk?

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#18 Posted by John Valentine (16466 posts) - - Show Bio
speedlgt said:
"Could he kill hulk?"

EM radiation manipulation? It's quite possible.
Vulcan technically could.
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#19 Posted by Djinn (864 posts) - - Show Bio

well i still think he's not possible and for a heat/fire using mutants they would have to be strong cause heat have to be strong to stop the magnetism in magnets but then the magnets have a very strong force behind them do the fire mutant would have to be extremely powerful 

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#20 Edited by Pania (1779 posts) - - Show Bio
Cezar_TheScribe said:
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"You can't compare Psychotic murders to Magneto, Magneto has very extreme views and has killed innocent people."
 
Sure you can't. :/   He has murdered innocent people just like a psychotic murderer.
 
Also, scroll up to see the comment about Magneto sinking a sub and killing people.
 
"I merely tried to find the same rational thought I would expect from a university seminar here."
 
University seminar? You mean in colleges where they teach Marxism?
Socialism?  Wake up.
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So I guess by your logic, anyone who participates in a war is a psychotic murderer. I mean, aren't soldiers actually innocent? When we kill the enemy, aren't we killing poor slobs that are just following the orders of their commander in chief? And what about civilian casualties? Are the Israelis "psychotic murderers", are U.S. troops "psychotic murderers"?

Just because there is death that does not make it murder. Just because there is murder that does not make the murderer psychotic. Drunk drivers are murderers, are they like Jeffery Dahmer? To classify all people who cause death in the same boat with serial killers is so simplistic, its rather childish. The comparison to serial killers is nonsensical, Magneto does not kill individuals for the sake of killing, for his own pleasure. Usually when Magneto has killed, he has done so when in an declared state of war. You need to learn some discrimination in your definitions of things because real life is nothing but grey areas. Especially when you get into global politics as Magneto is involved in global politics.

Yes, Magneto sank a Russian Sub....AFTER THEY HAD FIRED NUCLEAR MISSILES AT HIM! They were in a declared state of war.

Do you have any idea what the United States would have done to the USSR at that time if a Russian sub fired on the U.S.?

We would have nuked the Soviet Union.

All of it. We were completely prepared to do that.

Magneto's response was actually far more measured the the U.S. would have been. Even in Fatal Attractions, the U.N. were the ones to declare war on Avalon. They struck first. Magneto plays by the much same rules our own countries do. So unless you want to start calling real life heads of state "psychotic murderers", I don't think you have a leg to stand on here.

Genocide or Acts of War: Magneto's Brand of Terrorism

But to get back to the original question, no Magneto is not *that* powerful. Yanking planets around is cosmic level stuff, Silver Surfer/Phoenix time. Magneto is one of the most powerful mutants ever born simply because of the type of energy he manipulates and it's ubiquitous nature in physics, and he can manipulate the Earth's electromagnetic field on a planetary scale with great effort and strain (so he does not so it much), but he isn't up to flinging planets around.

For a list of Magneto's feats

For the scientific plausibility of Magneto feats.
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#21 Posted by Pania (1779 posts) - - Show Bio
clockworkcanary said:
"Question: would Magneto's powers be vulnerable to heat/fire-using mutants since enough heat will mess up magnetism?"
Heat is a form of radiation, one that Magneto has shown control over in Uncanny #104.

A simple magnet cannot constantly draw in EM energy the way Magneto does. Nor does someone who manipulates fire have as wide a range of attacks as Magneto does. Pryo would not have a chance.
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#22 Posted by lordraiden (9664 posts) - - Show Bio
speedlgt said:
"Could he kill hulk?"

I seriously doubt it! If top tiers find it hard to beat Hulk, let alone kill him, I doubt the answer is gonna be as easy as Magneto!
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#23 Posted by John Valentine (16466 posts) - - Show Bio
lordraiden said:
"speedlgt said:
"Could he kill hulk?"

I seriously doubt it! If top tiers find it hard to beat Hulk, let alone kill him, I doubt the answer is gonna be as easy as Magneto!"
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#24 Posted by lordraiden (9664 posts) - - Show Bio
John Valentine said:
"lordraiden said:
"speedlgt said:
"Could he kill hulk?"

I seriously doubt it! If top tiers find it hard to beat Hulk, let alone kill him, I doubt the answer is gonna be as easy as Magneto!"
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You believe he can easily kill him ...............................................
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#25 Posted by John Valentine (16466 posts) - - Show Bio
lordraiden said:
"John Valentine said:
"lordraiden said:
"speedlgt said:
"Could he kill hulk?"

I seriously doubt it! If top tiers find it hard to beat Hulk, let alone kill him, I doubt the answer is gonna be as easy as Magneto!"
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You believe he can easily kill him ..............................................."
Not easily, but I believe he can.
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#26 Posted by lordraiden (9664 posts) - - Show Bio
John Valentine said:
"lordraiden said:
"John Valentine said:
"lordraiden said:
"speedlgt said:
"Could he kill hulk?"

I seriously doubt it! If top tiers find it hard to beat Hulk, let alone kill him, I doubt the answer is gonna be as easy as Magneto!"
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You believe he can easily kill him ..............................................."
Not easily, but I believe he can."

Fair enough, I guess we're on opposite sides of the fence! on a side note, have you seen the Hulk vs dvd's?
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#27 Posted by John Valentine (16466 posts) - - Show Bio
lordraiden said:
"John Valentine said:
"lordraiden said:
"John Valentine said:
"lordraiden said:
"speedlgt said:
"Could he kill hulk?"

I seriously doubt it! If top tiers find it hard to beat Hulk, let alone kill him, I doubt the answer is gonna be as easy as Magneto!"
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You believe he can easily kill him ..............................................."
Not easily, but I believe he can."

Fair enough, I guess we're on opposite sides of the fence! on a side note, have you seen the Hulk vs dvd's?"

Not yet, but I intend to.

I also think Vulcan could beat Hulk.
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#28 Edited by Pania (1779 posts) - - Show Bio

You guys are forgetting that Gamma radiation is part of the electromagnetic spectrum. Also that Magneto has a wide range of long distance attacks, and all the Hulk can do is throw things at a person who is a very fast flyer and who has extremely strong shields.

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#29 Posted by John Valentine (16466 posts) - - Show Bio
John Valentine said:
"speedlgt said:
"Could he kill hulk?"

EM radiation manipulation? It's quite possible.
Vulcan technically could."
Pania said:
"You guys are forgetting that Gamma radiation is part of the electromagnetic spectrum.

Precisely. That was my point too.
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#30 Posted by the Social Moth (40 posts) - - Show Bio

He is probably one of the most powerful mutants, considering (in movie continuity) that he was dosed with the 'cure' and still has powers