How much stronger is Super Saiyan Blue than SS3?

I'm curious, can someone put a number to that. i don't need feats, just numbers.

Like in order how strong goku is in base, SS, SS2, SS3, SSGSS, and SSB. Or a comparison between SS4 and SSB will work too.

Also if there is gonna be a Super saiyan blue 2.

the moment SSB forms have an actual multiplier then you have better numbers.

????????????????? The anime have not done a good job with scaling. I mean the gods have been consistent, but anything with Saiyan is just like I don't give a crap, get hurt by bullets, then normal form above SSJ3 Gotenks, then SSJ Goku equal SSJ1 Gohan who logically should be way weaker.

@jgames: wait hold on, what? Why are they inconsistant? How does a series manage that when its done by the same writer?

There is no definitive answer. Super Saiyan forms stopped making sense a while ago. Now everyone is as strong as Toriyama wants them to be in that moment.

Because the writer got lazy

It's not known, but it should be significantly more powerful.

This.

@nicksmi56: @vptwarrior: toriyama got lazy when he started dbz.

Now he has gone completely senile.

I mean there were many many ways to make goku realize that he got rusty, but seriously getting hurt by a bullet and couldn't properly react to it seems the stupidest way especially for a character who supposedly can destroy universe or something like that.

How did Goku even get rusty in the 1st place, when he was literally training not more than 1 episode ago?...

Woah, woah, hang on, I'm not keeping track of Super.

Are you SERIOUSLY telling me Goku got hurt....by a BULLET???

@nicksmi56: well not seriously hurt, but he felt the impact and it left a bruise or red mark lol. And this this the same guy who gave Krillin crap for getting hurt by a bullet for not training lol.

@vptwarrior: technically it's not writte by one guy, a lot happens in-between

@nicksmi56: any Z character can be harmed if depowered. Goku can receive a flu shot afterall.

@slimj87d: @solid_snake97: But the last time we saw Goku get hurt by a bullet, he was a little kid! All those years and all that training later, he still feels it? Heck, even Kid Goku didn't get bruised! Freaking Toriyama, man.

Also, that depowered thing is such crap. Base form Goku was able to slap Chi-Chi through a house by accident way back in Frieza Saga, and more recently was able to fight a stronger Final Form Frieza without breaking a sweat, so it's not like his strength suddenly goes away. It's just plain crappy writing and inconsistency. Toriyama's trying to make Goku more vulnerable in the stupidest way possible.

@nicksmi56: he got "hurt" the same way beerus was "hurt" by a Bullet in BoG

He literally showed no pain from it, and if anything, still laughed it off

@nicksmi56: Tori doesn't trul write Super, he has ideas of the main plot but filler and everything is handled by his team.

He does the art of characters so they can follow a standard and he gives them an idea of where he wants the plot to go.i believe there's an interview of this process somewhere that has been translated.

@nicksmi56: yes it was a pis to kick start the new arc. But it was one of the stupidest pis.

@mike_fowler: no he got hurt. It left a red mark in his arm and was even shocked for an instance. And laughing off pain is a trait among characters.

Knowing goku's feats it shouldn't have left a scratch.

And worst of all he couldn't properly react to that bullet. It just shows how stupid the writers are.

This is one of the worst pis ever.

@fat_hobo389: shocked? Please tell me where he's shocked at anytime

Literally all that happens is him turning around and blocking the bullet

But hey, I guess you also complained when beerus got hit by Mai's bullet and was scratched in BoG so whatever I guess

Seriously, people are acting as if the bullet actually injured Goku when it left a minor mark that goku basically brushed off

@mike_fowler: the thing is it shouldn't have done anything. Child goku handled bullets better than this.

LOL stupid, Goku was never hurt by that bullet but instead was surprised that it made a mark on his skin. It’s been established over and over again that Goku can be hurt if he lets his guard down completely.

@raecinio: Ergo he was hurt by a bullet. Gotcha.

@raecinio: Goku still should’ve never had a mark in the first place. It’s hard to believe that Goku lessens himself to that much of a degree piercing-wise to be hurt by a bullet.

It was just lazy writing. No one before Super thought that could ever happen, like many other low showings.

@ryokuma100: Gohan and Krillin were majorly screwed too. Apparently, only a few years of not training (4 years) can make Gohan become so weak that he not only:

1. Loses all his muscle mass but he also—

2. Somehow can only transform into SSJ

And this is despite the fact that he actually went a much longer amount of time without training back in the Boo arc which was for 7 whole years and could still slip into SSJ2 pretty easily and was still jacked as hell.

Krillin was also harmed by a bullet but in dramatic, blood spewing fashion... which would make him somehow weaker than his 13-year-old self and the likes of Bora who was stomped by Mercenary Tao.

They also made him train with regular human-level training equipment despite the fact that his younger self was training for the 22nd Budōkai by doing benches with Yamcha and Roshi wearing their 50lb turtle shells laying on top of the actual weights, and in that same training montage was swimming laps with a large ship tied to his body.

I don’t understand the thought process behind giving your super strong characters anti-feats.

Ima go ahead and throw out numbers at random since we’ve never gotten a set multiplier for the god forms

SsJ (x50 base)

Ssj2 (x100 base, or x2 Ssj)

Ssj3 (x400 base, or x4 Ssj2)

Ssg (x4000 base or x10 Ssj3)

SsgB (x200,000 base or x50 Ssg since goku implied this is just Ssj stacked on Ssg)

SsgB+KK (x400,000 base or x2 SsgB since standard kaioken is a 2x multiplier)

SsgB+KKx10 (x2,000,000 base or x10 SsgB since kaioken x10 is a multiplier of 10)

Ultra Instinct Omen (x10,000,000 base because why not)

Mastered Ultra Instinct (x500,000,000 base because ssj was x50 so maybe MUI is x50 Omen because who knows)