Hashirama and pre-Limbo Madara are Highly Overrated

I feel this needs to be addressed after a recent thread in which a significant amount of people were claiming Hashi can solostomp Delta.

Don't get me wrong. Madara and Hashi are at the top of Naruto high tier but they aren't close to God tier. Characters like Obito, KCM Minato or BSM Naruto are a threat to them 1v1. Defensive hax (such as Kamui) counters almost all of their kit and they aren't decisively above other high tiers in terms of speed. I guess the real issue isn't that Hashi and Madara specifically are overrated, but that most of the Naruto fanbase has a tendency to just compare destructive capacity of characters while ignoring every other factor.

Thoughts?

@anomalous: Lol at thinking Delta is god tier. You’re whats wrong with Naruto, I won’t even entertain this with why Hashirama and Madara stomp every regular Kara member that’s not Sage Mode Kashin Koji.

@prao: Delta is definitely at the very minimal at the top of high tier.

She counters Ninjutsu, her Taijutsu is on par with SM Naruto, and Genjutsu won't work because she's an android.

@anomalous: I agree in a way I don't think Madara and Hashirama are overrated but characters like Delta, Obito, and Minato are all criminally underrated.

I've been saying for years that Obito's max potential is above Hashirama/Madara before any Jubi/Sixpath buffs.

No she isn’t.

And you can counter her absorption if you read. Good luck making the argument that she absorbs whole forests and planetoids falling on her, she has a limit, and wood style itself already absorbs chakra 🤡.

Keep wanking Naruto’s jobber Taijutsu, I love how you guys try to wank him to casually being at the same level as his strongest attacks body wise just because he is glowing. Naruto himself is sloppy jobber.

Proof genjutsu won’t work? Before I call delusional headcanon made by a Delta fanboy I’m actually not sure if it was mentioned.

So the main point you took away from this was something I didn't even say? Sounds about right. I've come to expect word twisting in every debate related to Narutoverse.

Anyway. Nah, Delta isn't quite God tier but she's much closer to it than Hashi and base Madara.

Delta was roughly the same speed as 6PSM Naruto after he stopped jobbing to gather intel:

Yes, Naruto was slightly held back due to having children nearby but that's negligible. Against a character like Hashi he'd just blitz and 1 shot with no risk of collateral damage. The fact that Delta was even borderline able to keep up with 6PSM Naruto is sufficient proof that she can blitz Hashi. Hashi is NOWHERE NEAR Naruto's level.

@thegodmadara We got another one.

edit: 2 at that. Shall we Double Lariat them?

@prao: I can tell by your first post you have zero interest in an actual debate and you're nothing more than a toxic troll.

Concession accepted, little boy.

@prao: insecurities noted.

Could you get any lamer? Like stop replying, you don’t even make sense. Virtual insecurity? Coming from a crybaby who used the troll excuse to run away lmaooo

@prao: Who ran away? Your first post was riddled with passive aggressive nonsense, that's not an argument.

You want a debate? Make an argument for why Madara pre Edo stands any sort of chance against Delta. And this time leave out the bullshit.

Lastly you used a clown emoji that's cringe.

Sorry you already conceded and I live in the future not the pitiful past you pressed child. Watch that potty mouth, being mad won’t change your failure.

You should’ve replied with a rebuttal the first time you sensitive coward. Lol virtual “passive aggressiveness” made you split, now that’s insecurity.

@prao:

Concession accepted.

yooo WTF is this thread Delta is not a God tier and Hashirama can godstomps her do yall not read, did yall not Watch the 4th great ninja War where a weaker version of Madara killed an entire division, or when a weaker version of Hashirama Restrained the 10 tails in its second form, or when Madara godstomped the 5 kage, Delta isnt stronger than Momoshiki and Kage where beating him or kinshiki Hashirama Stomps, Madara stomps, Delta is high tier not God tier and she is barely stronger than other High tier, Do yall not know that a Weaker Form of Madara is continental and Hashirama is also continental, Madara can pull meteors out from space that are larger than Large Mountains, he can also Control the speed of the Meteors, Madara can also create CT Larger than Mountains and control their speed as well.

1. Naruto isnt as Strong as when he got the Hagoromo amp as a Teen

2. Adult Naruto is Rusty

3. Naruto was at less than 50% chakra fighting her

4. Naruto was holding back alot

5. KK stomps and KK definently not on Narutos level

Also do yall not know yall forms

SPSM is literally just an enhansed version of Sage mode, that grants you flight its not the same as teen narutos Hagoromo amp

This is SPSM:

This is SPSM+SPS:

SPS is Six Paths Senjutsu:

Six Paths Senjutsu Grants you 9 Magatam on your back in that oreder + TSB

This is SPSM+KCM:

Naruto no longer has SPS, This is what he would look like if he had it:

Come on people LEARN THE DIFFERENCES

OT: Madara and Hashirama Can beat Delta it isnt even up for debate its just Facts

Just relplied

@thegodmadara: Stop coping and pasting things that have already been debunked.

1. This isnt copy and past, so dont accuse

2. Noone has debunked this if you cant tell the difference between the 2 forms then Im sorry you need help or you should just REWATCH THE F*CKING show

3. Use common sense dont reply to me speaking Nonsense saying my stuff has been debunked because no it hasnt

4. Now GTFO if you cant debunk yourself, dont speak nonsense

@thegodmadara:

1.) So you didn't post this nonsense on a different thread then copy and paste it here?

2.) Yes they did.

3.) Nonsense

4.) Nonsense

@decaffeinated: Copying me now wont undo your L lmaoo

Tell me how this has been debunked, if you think adult Naruto is using Six paths senjutsu in Boruto, im sorry your an Idiot, again noone debunked me stop stop Spreading lies

@prao: Says the one who won't give me an Argument for why EMS Madara>Delta.

Man what a salty sore loser you can’t even reply to TheGodMadara because he decisively stomped you but you desperately are riding my junk because you know I won’t give you the time of day, building up your fractured insecurities.

You lost twice in one thread. Sad

@thegodmadara:

1.) Naruto can still fly

2.) Naruto still has access to Kekki Genkei that he can only have via Six Paths Sage mode.

3.) Sasuke never lost his powers so why would Naruto?

4.) Your little spreadsheet literally says "Six Paths Sagemode + KCM" with a picture of Adult Naruto. And even that's wrong because Naruto doesn't use KCM anymore he uses Biju Mode.

I can’t debate with the self vanquished.

@decaffeinated: Like just stop your Making yourself look ridiculous, I guess Shin Uchiha is a God tier as he gave Naruto a hard time, Now take your L and GTFO

*Grabs popcorn*

@prao: Concession accepted again.

@thegodmadara: That's fine after I school you in our EoS Sasuke vs Juubito CaV we can do another.

Nah, they underrated if anything

There are people that actually have them at just island level

Multi-Island at least

@thegodmadara: No one has as much raw talent for debating Naruto or such a knack for picking apart faulty arguments in this forsaken community.

Best not to talk with Coffee boy too much from my experience and understanding It will end with him calling you a troll and running away pretty soon :P

Ive already explained that SPSM Grants him the ability to fly and use those Kekki genkei SIR, Sasuke can fly as well that doesnt mean he has SPS, Ohnoki can fly that doesnt mean he has SPS, Nagato can fly that doesnt mean he has SPS, there are a whole bunch of people flying in boruto that doesnt mean they have SPS, Obito was flying before becoming a JJ, same as Madara

@decaffeinated: Take your L and Leave

Kyubi Chaka Mode 1 and 2. The two different version of cloaks that Naruto receives of the Nine-Tails chakra. The difference between the two is that in Mode 1, it was made from the new seal and relationship between Naruto and Kurama where Naruto can grab Nine-Tails chakra as Kurama sucks his own. Mode 2 is the full bond between the two, where Kurama is fully freed and doesn’t suck Narito’s Chakra at all

This is KCM 1:

This is KCM2:

Bijuu Mode or Tailed Beast Mode is a state utilized by jinchuriki who have gained perfect control over their Tailed Beast's chakra. This control over their chakra is achieved either by: The Tailed Beast willingly cooperating with their jinchuriki to allow this. Bijuu mode is KCM2 DUMBASS.

Make the CaV already

@thegodmadara: BM is BM there is no need to call it KCM2 when it's given a name in the Manga and that's Bijuu Mode.

Like I said Madara and Hashiram Stomp Delta

Did you really go on an Alt account just to type this, Bijuu Mode or Tailed Beast Mode is a state utilized by jinchuriki who have gained perfect control over their Tailed Beast's chakra. This control over their chakra is achieved either by: The Tailed Beast willingly cooperating with their jinchuriki to allow this. It literally is KCM 2

YES!

Overrated!

People have the nerve to put them against Aokiji from One Piece!

>:(

@thegodmadara:

The Manga never calls it KCM2 though, it calls it BM. You have no reason to refer to it as KCM2 not only is not in the manga BM sounds better.

Biju Mode sounds a whole lot better than Kurama Chakra Mode 2.

@prao: @thegodmadara: And I'm on my alt because either you or him flagged all my post, which makes no sense because it adds karma to you and you've both posted flag worthy stuff.

Yes it does sound Cooler it still doesnt change the fact that people call BM, KCM2 they are the exact same thing, Bijuu Mode or Tailed Beast Mode is a state utilized by jinchuriki who have gained perfect control over their Tailed Beast's chakra. This control over their chakra is achieved either by: The Tailed Beast willingly cooperating with their jinchuriki to allow this.

@thegodmadara:

OK so just call it what the manga calls it which is BM besides, you posted a picture that admits Adult Naruto has BM + SPSM.

I aint Flag you, and I aint Post no flag worthy stuff and I aint got no karma points

Ok its BM, and Adult Naruto is using BM+SPSM, it still doesnt change the sact that he lost SPS so he cant use TSB and he doesnt have the 9 magatama on his back and that the Adult version is More skilled than teens but teens are stronger

HA!

Fasle Facts!