I thought it might be good to make a thread pointing out how Greg Land thinks of us as idiots by showing all of his rip-offs, tracing and recycling you might find.
I just came across this image made by @The_Soverighn about Marvel NOW!'s Iron Man #1 preview :
Gotta say I really am worried about him taking over Iron Man in december...
So, everyone assemble, and show us your findings !
In defense of the Iron Man pictures, the are only so many ways you can draw an expressionless armored person. I'm sure if you look at most pictures drawn of him there is a similar one in his 60 plus year history
I know people get very passionate about things like this, but Land's style is a legitimate art style. The only problem would be if he were tracing the work of other artists and not attributing proper credit.
If he's not your cup of tea, that's fine, but he's not doing anything illegitimate.
Alex Ross, who people hail as a demigod, does all of his work from photo reference taken of models. It's not that different.
Fully disagree. Whereas tracing pictures can be considered legitimate (if only he would "attribute propoer credit" to other artists (photographs too, it'd only be fair), his porn faces all over his books are NOT tolerable.
Many of his female "drawings" are traced porn. That's just sad. And no, that is NOT legitimate art. That's not what I pay for.
Sexist art. Recycling. Tracing, or even stealing other artist's work. Incomplete or disastrous art. And I should be okay paying comics with this ?
Just a little "best of" of what I found on @The_Soverighn 's link :
Let's just show a boob & nipple. You know, faces don't matter. Talking of faces, is Magneto getting a blowjob ? Is he traced porn too ?
Why bother making legs to Spider-Woman ? Oh, and, yeah. I don't know how to draw Iron Man, let's trace...say...
This.
On another kind of "what the actual frak", here are the many faces of Ben Grimm :
Fully disagree. Whereas tracing pictures can be considered legitimate (if only he would "attribute propoer credit" to other artists (photographs too, it'd only be fair), his porn faces all over his books are NOT tolerable.
Many of his female "drawings" are traced porn. That's just sad. And no, that is NOT legitimate art. That's not what I pay for.
Sexist art. Recycling. Tracing, or even stealing other artist's work. Incomplete or disastrous art. And I should be okay paying comics with this ?
Just a little "best of" of what I found on @The_Soverighn 's link :
Let's just show a boob & nipple. You know, faces don't matter. Talking of faces, is Magneto getting a blowjob ? Is he traced porn too ?
Why bother making legs to Spider-Woman ? Oh, and, yeah. I don't know how to draw Iron Man, let's trace...say...
This.
On another kind of "what the actual frak", here are the many faces of Ben Grimm :
Lol! Doesn't Osborn look suspiciously like a white Obama ? Land should be ashamed of himself. SMH.
I don't really see the problem. The art is still good to look at.
i agree to some extent. but this is like... cheating. like totally stealing other peoples work because hes lazy and / or not talented enough to do it himself
I don't really see the problem. The art is still good to look at.
i agree to some extent. but this is like... cheating. like totally stealing other peoples work because hes lazy and / or not talented enough to do it himself
I don't think he's lazy. I'd bet on the talent part. It is like cheating but if Marvel knows he's doing it and they still employ him, I feel like people should be madder at them.
Marvel is aware of Greg Land's art practices, and David Mack, but its basically reward versus risk. Greg Land is reputed to be one of Marvels fastest illustrators and thats handy to have since deadlines are a priority and so is speed over originality. That and its actually a bit hard to like really punish Marvel or its artists over tracing material that they shouldn't. Remember when an artist straight up used a photo of Amy Grant with a filter and she couldn't even sue them for using her likeness she had to go the route of suing Marvel for associating her with demonic imagery or something. Really the only way Marvel will take note is if enough people make enough noise and the risk of hiring Land outweighs the reward, and I remember like being the only poster in the Land vs Liefeld thread to prefer Liefeld simply because he is original so Land probably won't be going anywhere soon.
Marvel is aware of Greg Land's art practices, and David Mack, but its basically reward versus risk. Greg Land is reputed to be one of Marvels fastest illustrators and thats handy to have since deadlines are a priority and so is speed over originality. That and its actually a bit hard to like really punish Marvel or its artists over tracing material that they shouldn't. Remember when an artist straight up used a photo of Amy Grant with a filter and she couldn't even sue them for using her likeness she had to go the route of suing Marvel for associating her with demonic imagery or something. Really the only way Marvel will take note is if enough people make enough noise and the risk of hiring Land outweighs the reward, and I remember like being the only poster in the Land vs Liefeld thread to prefer Liefeld simply because he is original so Land probably won't be going anywhere soon.
Google "Rob Liefeld swipe" (without the quotation marks)
Marvel is aware of Greg Land's art practices, and David Mack, but its basically reward versus risk. Greg Land is reputed to be one of Marvels fastest illustrators and thats handy to have since deadlines are a priority and so is speed over originality. That and its actually a bit hard to like really punish Marvel or its artists over tracing material that they shouldn't. Remember when an artist straight up used a photo of Amy Grant with a filter and she couldn't even sue them for using her likeness she had to go the route of suing Marvel for associating her with demonic imagery or something. Really the only way Marvel will take note is if enough people make enough noise and the risk of hiring Land outweighs the reward, and I remember like being the only poster in the Land vs Liefeld thread to prefer Liefeld simply because he is original so Land probably won't be going anywhere soon.
Google "Rob Liefeld swipe" (without the quotation marks)
Liefeld is anything but original
Oh I am aware of Liefeld's tracing too, I should have probably said more original, as in he hasn't made a career out of tracing the same way Greg Land has. You know? The joke being that if you ever see a Liefeld drawing where the characters body is in proportion he probably traced it, but how often do you see a Liefeld drawing that isn't out of proportion?
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