In books Geralt is not weaker, indeed don't exist any human able to defeat him in a fair fight. Obviously games continued to characterize Geralt, so it's inevitable to make a character stronger, so, more potions, better Signs, so on. He's like any superhero Marvel/DC, through decades they get stronger, same happened with Geralt.
Keep in mind Sapkowski wasn't a writer interested in action, he wasn't even interested to characterize better Signs and potions. We can't say exactly how powerful were Signs in books, cause we haven't seen them so often to be certain. In 8 novels total, Witchers shown 7 different Signs, there are Heliotrope and Somne too, that we haven't seen them in games.
Really a Witcher trained and studied Igni just for turn on candles and make a camp fire? My idea is that Sapkowski didn't have any interest about characterize Signs, indeed in books Igni, Yrden, Somne, are extremely vague. It's not known how many people's mind Geralt can control with Axii, in books he was able to control a bunch of guards. We don't know how powerful is the magic trap, we don't know if Somne can put to sleep monsters too and not only humans. Many things about Witchers is still unknown if we stuck with Sapkowski's books only..Sapkowski just didn't care at all to portray a lot of stuff about Witchers abilities/Signs/potions, he's not that type of writer.
The Geralt of the books is nothing like the games... he was struggling with Levecque. Sapkowski didn't envision Geralt as anything like the way CDPR depicted him, that much is clear.
The books are canon to the games, the games are not canon to the books.
CDPR just enlarged and enriched the Sapkowski universe. Beside, talking about Witchers lore only, is extremely poor and vague in books, lot more than you would think, that's because Sapkwoski had no interest to tell a story about Witchers, but using a Witcher like a pretext to tell a total different story.
Go to say it to CDPR. CDPR just enlarged and enriched the Sapkowski universe. Beside, talking about Witchers lore only, is extremely poor and vague in books, lot more than you would think, that's because Sapkwoski had no interest to tell a story about Witchers, but using a Witcher like a pretext to tell a total different story.
Do you really wants to debate that despite the fact that the creator himself said, numerous times, that the games are non canon?
They said that he is the authority, regarding the canonicity of the witcher:
"It's true that the game was based on the popularity of the Witcher novels, so there's no sense in wondering what came first, the chicken or the egg. In this case, the books and the author are both of those things.
"Our cooperation has a strict and defined direction. I can't imagine Andrzej Sapkowski playing a game to do research for the new novels. This is unlikely and would look like writing a book for a game or movie release, which ends badly in most cases; the novel winds up in a collector's edition and then covers with dust somewhere on the gamer's shelf.
"We want to develop The Witcher's universe in other media, not only video games. We have Mr. Sapkowsk's blessing and what we create is in line with his vision of the world, no matter how the saga will evolve.
"We want The Witcher's universe to be a part of pop-culture like Star Wars or The Lord of the Rings, and for our fanbase to expand rapidly. We just have to carefully and diligently do our thing."
I don't care what Sapkowski says, indeed he's annoyed too about games, because he didn't get a lot money how he would loved, he sold every rigths about Witcher franchise to CDPR because he didnt' think the series would have been a big success, so he was stupid. We only use composite Geralt, which is the only Geralt the public knows. In Sapkowski's own universe, Geralt is even dead, so...
CDPR just enlarged and enriched the Sapkowski universe. Beside, talking about Witchers lore only, is extremely poor and vague in books, lot more than you would think, that's because Sapkwoski had no interest to tell a story about Witchers, but using a Witcher like a pretext to tell a total different story.
Yes, but the games are in no way canon to Sapkowski's creation, the games are continuations of the books from their perspective, as in, the books are canon to the games (albeit loosely in many respects), but this isn't reciprocated. If you were to discuss book Geralt, the games are irrelevant. Even beyond that, the games are simply very different in many ways and contradict the books and their depiction of Geralt.
For example, in the books, Witcher Potions are a singular creation, there aren't thirty decoctions each with highly specific effects, Geralt doesn't use a crossbow or bombs, Geralt's signs are not as useful or as effective in combat and he never uses them on humans, presumably it isn't feasible for him amidst swordplay.
He is not as strong or as fast and skilled humans can and have challenged the Geralt of the books. He also acknowledges that he is completely out of his depth against Regis and can only even consider facing Villentretenmerth because the dragon engages in a chivalric effort to make the fight fair and not use fire, yet Geralt is still highly uncertain he can win.
This is composite Geralt so, stop talking about the book version.
Composite's just kind of pointless because book Geralt brings nothing to the table.
Just something about speed feats (a legit FTE character), some feats that proves his reflexes are way above the speed of an arrow, a good feat about his healing factor, some good fight, like against the Striga (in Witcher lore is an extremly dangerous monster) and against some highly skilled warriors, another against a powerful mage, some good quotes, like Witchers have the same Halfling's superhuman agility, Yen that think Geralt can defeat a Golden Dragon. These stuff, but, as I said, Sapkowski wasn't an action writer, and his goal wasn't telling about Witcher and all his exactly abilites, potions, signs, but use a Witcher to tell another story. Just see the respect thread here, there're a decent mount of feats from the books
This is composite Geralt so, stop talking about the book version.
Composite's just kind of pointless because book Geralt brings nothing to the table.
Just something about speed feats (a legit FTE character), a good feat about his healing factor, some good fight, like against the Striga (in Witcher lore is an extremly dangerous monster) and against some highly skilled warriors, another against a powerful mage, some good quotes, like Witchers have the same Halfling's super agility, Yen that think Geralt can defeat a Golden Drago. These stuff, but, as I said, Sapkowski wasn't an action writer, and his goal wasn't telling about Witcher and all his exactly abilites, potions, signs, but use a Witcher to tell another story. Just see the respect thread here, there're a decent mount of feats from the books
I have read the books, I'm familiar with his feats, I'm just saying that none of his book feats compare with the feats the game version had, in many instances they contradict them. He was getting wrecked by Vereena, struggled with Levecque, anything more than a competent sorcerer would decimate him, could not contend with Regis and only might've had a shot at the Golden Dragon because it held back etc.
Sapkowski depicted his signs, potions and abilities throughout the saga and short-stories well enough, they simply weren't on the level of his game counterpart.
You're just telling me the well known famous inconsistency that I see all the time by years in Marvel/DC comics about any character. Geralt get stronger in games for a super simple law, that every fiction character has seen in the past: more showings + more characterization = more powerful than before. Even iconics characters as Batman or Spider-Man weren't powerful in their first years as they're now.
You're just telling me the well known famous inconsistency that I see all the time by years in Marvel/DC comics about any character. Geralt get stronger in games for a super simple law, that every fiction character has seen in the past: more showings + more characterization = more powerful than before. Even iconics characters as Batman or Spider-Man weren't powerful in their first years as they're now.
He got more powerful because it was a different medium with different writers, developers/artists etc.
My only point is that using a composite version really doesn't give game Geralt any kind of boost. The Geralt of CDPR is far more powerful than Sapkowski ever depicted him.
You're just telling me the well known famous inconsistency that I see all the time by years in Marvel/DC comics about any character. Geralt get stronger in games for a super simple law, that every fiction character has seen in the past: more showings + more characterization = more powerful than before. Even iconics characters as Batman or Spider-Man weren't powerful in their first years as they're now.
He got more powerful because it was a different medium with different writers, developers/artists etc.
The exact same shit happens to the comics since 1939
I don't think he's anywhere near 10 tons of strength. If that was the case, then why can't he break himself free from chains?
Why can't he escape from jail? Geralt has been put in jail in the witcher 1, the Witcher 2, and in the witcher 3 if you decide to let dettlaff kill Syanna.
Witchers are strong, but they are crazy strong. Hell, bonhart, a simple human has already defeated 3 witchers in a single fight.
@absol123: If he can overpower a dragon or cut off a Fiend head with a single blow or block a direct attack from a giant monster, he's can definitely be a 10 tonner. Bonhart never proved to defeat any Witcher and Ciri killed him in a fight, and she was nowhere skilled or strong like a Witcher. In books, if you read them, is quitee famous the statement that no human warrior can defeat Geralt in a fair fight. He can defeat with his fists a rock Troll. How durable and strong do you think a Troll is? If you have read the last novel, published in 2013, you would know how Geralt is powerful in h2h combat.
This monster have a size that, if compared with some real sea animals, it could easily weight 60 tons. If Geralt is sustain one third of his body weight we're talking about something in 15-20 tons range easily.
The pain factor played a major role in geralt pulling the dragon's head back. And cutting the head of a fiend is definitely not a 10 tons feat, espacially when you know that geralt has a silver sword t Radeyhat is super effective against monsters.
And geralt definitely didn't block the sea creature since it pushed him back. He needed help from Radeyah to escape it. It gave him time to go drink a potion that gives him strength so that he can pierce the monster's skin.
And he is right, the fact that geralt can't break metal door open disprove that geralt is not a 10 tonner.
The sorceress didn't help him to block the monster attack, he did it all on his own, just after she attacked the monster with a spell, then Geralt drunk a not identified potion and killed the monster. All of that wasn't about how he killed the monster but how he blocked a direct attack from a monster that can weight 60 tons according with his huge size, no one can't say he didn't use his raw strength to block the monster attack, and it's obvious it required a lot of raw strength to do that feat. So, at least 10 tons to block a monster with that size.
Cut off a Fiend's head require a tremendous strength, a sword is not a gun, that it can generate the same damage whatever guy used the gun, a kid, a woman, a man, a strongman. A sword, unless is not magical, and Geralt's sword are not magical, can be even extremely sharp, but it require a great strength to generate a great damage ;)
It's obvious he couldn't block the monster for a longer time cause his huge size,otherwise he would be a 50+ tonner isn't it? but still strong enough to block his attack and don't get smashed by his weight, and gave the time to the sorceress to hit the thing with her spell.
I didn't say the sorceress helped him block the attack. Geralt did block the attack but he was pushed back by the monster. Radeyah had to interfere to give geralt the time to drink a potion.
And even if the monster weighs 60 tons, geralt isn't benchpressin him, the monster is pushing geralt.
Silver is effective against monster and not effective against humans, in the game you do little damage to humans with a silver sword, and you also do little damage to monster with a regular sword. The silver sword isn't as sharp as a steel sword, but he cuts monsters more effectively.
@cramem: That feat just proof that, even for a couple of seconds, Geralt had to be strong enough to restrain the monster's attack and don't let himself smashed by the weight of the monster. Nobody can say how strength it required to do that feat, but even if he restrained just 1/4 of his weight, it still requires something about 10+ tons of strength, otherwise he would be smashed immediately if Geralt was just a peak human or just a 1-3 tonner.
The way that Geralt is described in the books is different than the games. He's much closer to the way hes depicted in the series. He is clearly stronger than your average human but hes not lifting anything beyond 1000 lbs. Witcher is not about spectacle, it relies on well crafted story and not plot device. Geralt's greatest superhuman attribute is his speed. He is easily several times faster than a human could possibly be. By his description hes got speed and reflexes beyond what a cougar or wolf would have, like by 2x which is very fast.
He doesn't have strength feats per say because again they aren't going to write him into a situation just to show "hey he can lift a house", his strength is functional and presented realistically. From the monsters that he does fight, and some of the actions he completes Geralt can lift well over 500 lbs but hes likely not able to lift much over 1000 pounds, there is just no way.
Geralt in books is definitely less strong than CDPR version, that should be sure, however we know for a fact that, according with Season of the Storms, a generic Witcher is 2 times stronger and 10 times faster than any human, that's means book Geralt is above that numbers because he went under further stronger mutations. He's probably 3-4 times stronger and 11-12 times faster without taking any potions, that's a lot, cause in Witcher universe humans can be stronger and faster than real life humans.
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