Galactus vs Dormammu finally answered? Dr Strange #15

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I can't find scans but the videos shows them.

So Galactus stomps?!

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#2  Edited By CCThor

Well it makes sense.

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Based on what I understand, it appears that Dormammu fed Galactus his magic in the previous chapter to satiate and stabilise him (in an attempt to enslave him). Maybe that's why G was adapted and could simply absorb and defeat D easily.

That's just my opinion. Otherwise having Big G one-shot Dormy like that in his own dimension is pretty crazy.

Here are the scans of the "fight".

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#6  Edited By princesscadenza

Sometimes I feel like I'm one of the few who pay attention to the comics, really. Galactus had previously become the perfect amalgam of science and sorcery when Dormammu gladly fed his FF to him in an attempt to late take control, which's why now Big G knew how to control Dormammu's magic on the other hand(Dormammu also willing let Galactus absorb other mystical realms in the process as well). They only fought after that, so was basically: Mystical Amped Galactus + Mystical Realms + Control of Dormammu's Magic Vs. Dormammu, who was betrayed by Mephisto in some way, hence why was previously sure that could've taken on Galactus to follow his will.

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#7  Edited By tethadam

Looks like Dormammu is always getting betrayed. Last time I checked he was betrayed to Shuma. How did he escape him?

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#8  Edited By kgb725

Sometimes I feel like I'm one of the few who pay attention to the comics, really. Galactus had previously become the perfect amalgam of science and sorcery when Dormammu gladly fed his FF to him in an attempt to late take control, which's why now Big G knew how to control Dormammu's magic on the other hand(Dormammu also willing let Galactus absorb other mystical realms in the process as well). They only fought after that, so was basically: Mystical Amped Galactus + Mystical Realms + Control of Dormammu's Magic Vs. Dormammu, who was betrayed by Mephisto in some way, hence why was previously sure that could've taken on Galactus to follow his will.

So he should realistically be in one of his strongest forms then ?

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#9  Edited By princesscadenza

@kgb725 said:

So he should realistically be in one of his strongest forms then ?

This should be actually his strongest form, at least under Waid. It's difficult to make a comparison of this storyline with the events that happened in others because Waid, for reason, disregards certain events. For example, according to this issue, Galactus for the first time in forever hasn't been hungry and we all know this isn't true given his Lifebringer state(So at least for Waid, that never happened). Galactus also seems to be in a much higher level under than him than in most storylines too, Stephen even said that Galan is already up there with the main abstracts such as Eternity and the Living Tribunal.

Waid seems to have his own canon going on, honestly. That's why in the final page of the comic, we even saw characters or versions of these characters in a gathering that have been dead or depowered for ages.

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Waid putting respect on my boy's name. ?

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Dormammu > Galactus.

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@jooosh1996: Andromeda summed it up perfectly. That Galactus wasn't at his normal/standard power level, and was heavily amped. Under normal circumstances, Dormammu should still be superior.

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Waid putting respect on my boy's name. ?

Yeah, no Galactus jobbing here.

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@soratoumiga: It never states he was amped at all until after he absorbed Dormmamu. But you could be right just the way it’s implied is Galactus was able to straight up absorb the magic Dormammu attempted to attack him with regardless of his state.

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@jooosh1996: It was actually stated and shown that he absorbed mystical energies even before his encounter with Dormammu.

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#18  Edited By princesscadenza

@jooosh1996 said:

@soratoumiga: It never states he was amped at all until after he absorbed Dormmamu. But you could be right just the way it’s implied is Galactus was able to straight up absorb the magic Dormammu attempted to attack him with regardless of his state.

What? Do you people even pay attention or read the comics anymore these days? Galactus had straight up absorbed the Faltine Flames in the previous issue when Dormammu gladly gave it to him and after consuming them, Galactus explicitly had this conversation with Strange:

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And that gave Galactus the control over Dormammu's magic, which's why was so ineffective against him in their later fight. Not to mention Mephisto's betrayal mentioned and show before their battle, which if wasn't for it, Dormammu already said that still had more than enough power to defeat Galactus. But yeah, sure, Galactus was never amped beforehand and the whole instance wasn't surrounded by context...

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@andromeda101: My bad! Thanks for clearing that up, that went right over my head.

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#20  Edited By princesscadenza

What a marvelous day, friends. So Galactus>Dormammu, hum? Well, guess what? Satannish(Dormammu's lapdog) begs to differ:

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He's been seen matching this new Galactus pretty evenly, which so far backs what I said before many times: Galactus was only able to deal with Dormammu so easily because already had a previous control over the Faltine's energies and because of Mephisto's betrayal. Dormmy himself said that already had more than enough power to defeat him under other circumstances and I'm more keen to believe that now. Regardless, we'll still need to wait for the complete issue.

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Big G laying the smack on that magical butt

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@andromeda101: Just out of curiosity, what's the context for the text at the bottom which says:

"The Satannish was brought to life by my brother, Dormammu. Let us hope he fares better than his creator."

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@killbilly said:

Just out of curiosity, what's the context for the text at the bottom which says:

"The Satannish was brought to life by my brother, Dormammu. Let us hope he fares better than his creator."

Dormammu(His creator) was defeated, but I already explained the context for that above.

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@andromeda101 said:

@killbilly said:

Just out of curiosity, what's the context for the text at the bottom which says:

"The Satannish was brought to life by my brother, Dormammu. Let us hope he fares better than his creator."

Dormammu(His creator) was defeated, but I already explained the context for that above.

Ah, you did at that. My apologies. Out of curiosity, what does Satannish mean when he says he's:

"I am no petty spell-weaver! Satannish is King of the Hell-Lords."

Wouldn't that be indicative that he's placing himself above Dormammu?

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#26  Edited By princesscadenza

@killbilly said:

Ah, you did at that. My apologies. Out of curiosity, what does Satannish mean when he says he's:

"I am no petty spell-weaver! Satannish is King of the Hell-Lords."

Wouldn't that be indicative that he's placing himself above Dormammu?

No, because Dormammu isn't a Hell-Lord to begin with or least hasn't been one for a long time. He was seen with them in basically only two issues(X-Infernus Vol.1#1 and Captain Britain and MI-13 Annual Vol.1#1) more than a decade ago and writers haven't considered him one again since then, especially Waid.

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@andromeda101: It just seems like that statement by Satannish is referencing Dormammu as the "petty spell-weaver" and an inferior hell lord but you obviously know more about the surrounding context then I do so I'll give your interpretation the benefit of the doubt. I hope it's all cleared up in the next issue.

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#28  Edited By princesscadenza

@killbilly said:

It just seems like that statement by Satannish is referencing Dormammu as the "petty spell-weaver" and an inferior hell lord but you obviously know more about the surrounding context then I do so I'll give your interpretation the benefit of the doubt. I hope it's all cleared up in the next issue.

Satannish is talking about the other mystical beings/sorcerers reunited by the combined efforts of Clea and Umar, who were attacking Galactus at that time and failing miserably. Dormammu wasn't even present there, his fight against Galactus was in the previous issue and alone.

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@andromeda101: It just seems like that statement by Satannish is referencing Dormammu as the "petty spell-weaver" and an inferior hell lord but you obviously know more about the surrounding context then I do so I'll give your interpretation the benefit of the doubt. I hope it's all cleared up in the next issue.

He's referring to the other people in the united force against Galactus. You can even see some of the sorcerers in the bottom right panel.

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#30  Edited By princesscadenza

@jrupert1 said:

He's referring to the other people in the united force against Galactus. You can even see some of the sorcerers in the bottom right panel.

I guess one valid indagation people can make is that if Galactus doesn't already have Dormammu absorbed, shouldn't stomp Satannish? I'm wondering if Galactus isn't starting to lose juicy, if we're about to see a twist of events in Dormammu's favor somehow, if Galactus really has Dormammu's full might or maybe if there's something else in this.

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Perhaps Galactus stomps Satannish and absorbs him as well(via Dormmamu manip) or maybe their battle gets interrupted by Strange and Eternity(kinda what the cover suggests).

We'll know soon...

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Is the new issue coming out today?

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What a marvelous day, friends. So Galactus>Dormammu, hum? Well, guess what? Satannish(Dormammu's lapdog) begs to differ:

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He's been seen matching this new Galactus pretty evenly, which so far backs what I said before many times: Galactus was only able to deal with Dormammu so easily because already had a previous control over the Faltine's energies and because of Mephisto's betrayal. Dormmy himself said that already had more than enough power to defeat him under other circumstances and I'm more keen to believe that now. Regardless, we'll still need to wait for the complete issue.

Imagine getting this excited over a preview just for Stannish to get literally one shot lmao

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#34  Edited By morpheus_  Moderator

Today's Doctor Strange was... peculiar. An enhanced Black Bolt actually made Galactus stagger and I don't even want to get into Gladiator's showing.

I like Waid but his perception of power levels seems thoroughly inaccurate.

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Today's Doctor Strange was... peculiar. An enhanced Black Bolt actually made Galactus stagger and I don't even want to get into Gladiator's showing.

I like Waid but his perception of power levels seems thoroughly inaccurate.

I mean Waid already made that pretty clear when he had Strange say that 'even he can't stop time' when that's something he has regularly done lol.

Also I feel like it's worth noting that Waid placed emphasis on "His whisper can level a forest"... I'm not sure how much more power is behind a shout than a whisper but I don't think it's enough to go from forest level to whatever level it should take to stagger an amped Galan.

Still, Gladiator though... oh man.

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#37 morpheus_  Moderator

@indestructibl3: I actually assumed he was enhanced throughout the whole encounter since even his best ever output wouldn't do anything to Galan.

For Gladiator, I'm not even sure how to describe it. If he was written as Waid wrote him in those pages he'd be the most powerful Marvel hero, basically.

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@morpheus_: Gladiator literally did nothing to him though. Only magical blackbolt managed to stagger him

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@indestructibl3: yeah he drew blood then galactus no spelled every thing he's got. Also waid thinks Gladiator is more powerful than all heroes brought to the fight which includes hulk, silver surfer etc... Even umar did nothing, hated how he nerfed umar from the beginning though been contained easily by mephisto

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#43  Edited By princesscadenza

@pipxeroth said:

Imagine getting this excited over a preview just for Stannish to get literally one shot lmao

Satannish being defeated by a Galactus who only won this fight after and by consuming the energies of his opponent instead of overpowering him by pure strength alone, which's something that still happened after two pages of Satannish already matching Galan's power in a mano-a-mano and other characters saying that may even be striking Galactus down? Yes, I still see as exciting it. Satannish was the only being there who actually matched this utterly amped Galactus in a power contest and only lost it because Galactus started feeding on his powers, even if all this was just for some time. Still, I never once believed this entire arc would end with Satannish coming over and pawning Galactus.