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Featherine/Umineko Respect thread
For those that aren't too familiar with this series, Umineko (when they cry) as a whole, is a very vast/ powerful series. I'll be trying to go over this and to go more in depth with some of the characters/cosmology and their ratings.
(sorry, accidentally deleted the other one. Just posting it again.)
First, I'll try to give a Simplified layman's terms of the cosmology and the infinite hierarchy abyss while going over the table of contents:
The Infinite Hierarchical Abyss:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aonAa-VLqSQ (Memoir of lambdadelta)
I'll be going more in depth with this later on. Now for a more in depth look at the cosmology/table of contents.
Creator domain:
Featherine is powerful and due to essentially touching the barest portion of the Creator's realm/true self, but now fully entering so as not to be consumed by it. Featherine is still limited by a sense of self, which one loses when they become part of the "Creator". Since you are no longer you, but merely another part of something that is 0. This sense of meaning stops her from being completely omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11120/111206816/6349625-2652109169-2017%25.jpg
as already mentioned... because if she did, she wouldn't be Feathrine. Featherine would no longer be.
"フェザリーヌ・アウグストゥス・アウローラ。?魔女の域を極め過ぎて、造物主の域にまで達し、?
Featherine Augustus Aurora.? She who had go through beyond the end of the domain of Witch, arrive at the domain of The Creator,?"
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11120/111206816/6349626-7466626276-Umine.jpg
Heaven: The metaphysical world where all higher world Angels reside, an organization is tasked with witch-hunt and heresy interrogation called Great Court of Heaven, which has 8 agencies with different name, each with their area of jurisdiction (Eiserne Jungfrau is 7th District, SSVD is the 8th District).
Hell: The metaphysical world where all higher world Demons reside as the counterpart of Heaven.
http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j472/throne0/Umineko/UminekoMF228.jpg
Sea of Fragments:
The infinite Sea which contains infinite Fragments (each is a different fiction and Umineko no Naku Koro ni, Children of Paradise and Ghost in the Shell are some notable examples). As Fragments, each of them has infinite parallel "counterparts" and their own higher and lower worlds. Beatrice catbox which is it's own infinite parallel universes/multiverse is refereed to as "tiny" in the infinite sea of fragments and is just one of an endless amount
Umineko no Naku Koro ni (Fragment):
There are endless larger cat boxes out there, each is infinitely vaster than Beato's territory, all are part of the same Fragment. Beato's Territory is a small one among these.
Umineko no Naku Koro ni (Territory):
The territory of Beato and her Catbox are all maintained and created by her will.
For every moment, infinite "tales" being constantly created inside the Catbox.
Golden Land and Meta-World are the two highest planes of existence in the territory where its beings transcend all existence of the entire Territory that can be viewed as a Chessboard/single fragment
There are unknowable number of worlds, realities and realms that are on higher levels of existence than Human World, each with being infinitely greater than the last.
In higher worlds, lower worlds are endlessly less than inside them. In fact, it could say that lower worlds are completely do not even exist in higher worlds.
The Human World is the collection of all the worlds and Fragments (multiverses) of regular world where all human lives that confined by the Material World.
All Fragments have their own higher and lower worlds.
In regular 3D world, there exists infinite universes and infinite parallel universes, with infinite universes being created constantly for every and each moment. Each universes has infinite Fragments, each Fragment has infinite Fragments, each of these Fragment again has infinite Fragments and this goes on infinitely. Each Fragment is an infinite multiverse with infinite parallel universes. Long story short, do the math!.
Now for more in depth view of the Terminology:
Fragments/Kakera:
"Fragment" is a commonly used term in Umineko/When they cry. They are fragments of light that represents infinite parallel universes with endless possibilities and they came into various shapes and forms, such as books or crystals with different contents (though each contains a multiverse of parallel universes inside them)
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11120/111206816/6314405-2981835183-Yi9Vw.png (Lambda's fan club)
"It's been stated that higher world beings can manipulate and view Kakeras of lower worlds at will. Each Gameboard/EP is a Fragment, with the Game Master crafts them by merging multiple Fragments together. Aside from being part of the structure of the higher world, a special feature of a Kakera is that each of them has infinite Fragments inside them. In some case, a Fragment is a collection of multiple Fragments 'sewn' together."
http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j472/throne0/Umineko/Umineko%20II/uminekosewnkakera.jpg
Inside Beatrice territory higher realms such as the Golden Land and Meta-World, the entire catbox, the compendium that generates and encapsulates infinite fragments spun from the Rokkenjima, can be viewed as a single crystal Fragment. Even so, Beato's territory is not the all end, for beyond it is endless larger catboxes, each is infinitely vaster than Beato's territory, all are part of the larger whole of the Fragment that exists on the Sea of Fragment. The infinite Sea which contains infinite Fragments and each fragment is greater than beatrice's catbox.
Higher worlds in Beatrice territory include's Meta-World beings can exist as consciousness, unbounded by physical and metaphysical form and views her catbox as a mere crystal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Yh1xHk6df0 (2:30 - 3:20)
Piece/Koma:
"When the Meta-World beings fight each other in a Gameboard. It wasn't the Meta-Beings fight personally but they do it through the Pieces, their Human World projections, while the Piece are vastly inferior to their higher world version, as projections, they have at least aware about higher worlds, at least up to Meta-World and have the same power level ranking and abilities as their higher world version except on a vastly lower scale. Because Meta-World beings reside on a much higher plane than the Pieces, their course of action is also decided by the one controls them."
the Pieces still powerful on their own, starting from superhuman to megaversal with a little girl like Maria got many universes which was expanded to infinity by Beato (as explained in EP7) and an entire Gameboard.
https://i.imgur.com/zYiC1au.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/uGEhsE0.jpg
Beatrice Catbox/territory
Beatrice (of course) is the creator of Beato Catbox, the endless factory constantly produces endless tales/realities.
http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j472/throne0/Umineko/UminekoMF219.jpg
http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j472/throne0/Umineko/UminekoMF221.jpg
She has total control over infinite outcomes, infinite possibilities and "If" constantly gives birth to endless Fragments in this the Catbox.
Keep in mind, there are endless larger cat boxes out there, each is infinitely vaster than Beato's territory
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11130/111302904/5669453-2766186256-Catbo.jpg
Also Keep in mind, Beatrice inside her meta golden land which is the high world in her territory, views this catbox and gameboard as a fragment and this catbox is just one fragment amongst an endless amount in the sea of fragments even smaller than some
Meta-World Fantasy and Meta-World Mystery Beings
beings who exist on a higher plane of existence than Meta-World beings like beatrice territory. there are many beings like this out there and there are various types of these beings. From beings who live inside Beato's territory and other Fragments/Territory of the Sea to Heavenly beings/Angel or Demons of Heaven and Hell above the Sea of Fragments
"They have abilities as Meta-World beings albeit on a higher level and scale.
Willard Slicing a fragment in half
http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j472/throne0/Umineko/UminekoMF36.jpg
Willard fighting a lower world shadow version of bernkastel (voyager)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h79dVlKia1w
Willard takes on ten quadrillion of Bern's kitties, who are like stars in the midst of EP7 Gameboard's (which is a larger Catbox) Meta-"Sea of Fragments"
http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j472/throne0/Umineko/UminekoMF43.jpg
http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j472/throne0/Umineko/UminekoMF44.jpg
Now for the witches
"There are three common types of Witches we know - Territory-bounded Witches,(Beatrice) Voyagers who can travel to the Sea of Fragment and beyond (lambdadelta and bernkastel). Lastly, the Creator, who are almighty transcendental beings who are part of the class who are the rulers of All Creation that known as "Gods" and Creator
Territory lord/Witch/Beatrice
In Umineko, there are several different metanarratives and meta 'layers' all going on at once. The base story is either a murder mystery or a fantasy murder story about a family dying over and over again in different ways. This is the writing of Beatrice, who has written up an explicitly infinite catbox/fragment, which each of the infinite variations on the family massacre. Beatrice is already one "meta layer/Layer" above the standard story. She treats this as an author would treat their "work" where she can edit however she likes.
" Beatrice is the first one, and the weakest. Beatrice wrote and maintains a story that encompasses an at least, explicitly multiverse/catbox/fragment."
Beatrice is the ruler of her territory and as such when they stop thinking their territory will vanish, literally. But when they think again, it will simply be created again, this process can be repeated endlessly and it is still even less breathing to them" In this territory. higher worlds such as the golden land and meta world exists inside this territory and beings inside this plane views theis catbox as nothing but a single crystal/fragment
http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j472/throne0/Umineko/Umineko%20II/uminekobeatowilllose1.jpg
http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j472/throne0/Umineko/Umineko%20II/uminekobeatowilllose3.jpg
Voyagers/Lambdadelta and Bernkastel
Voyagers are far superior than Territory witches. They view witches like Beatrice and her "meta" layers as mere fiction similar to how an author treats their characters. They aren't bounded by a territory and can travel beyond them and the layers even to the infinite Sea of Fragments and realms higher than it that are beyond the layers.
https://keikakudoori.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/bernkastel.jpg
http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j472/throne0/Umineko/Umineko%20II/uminekoendlesskakeras00.jpg
https://lpix.org/2588608/bio-bern-1.png
In the sea of Fragments, beatrice's catbox is referred to as "tiny" in comparison to other infinite fragments. Beatrice catbox is but a mere fragment in the sea of fragments. Voyagers can manipulate and travel through these fragments at will to escape boredom. Bernkastel even re-creates the entire realm (infinte versions of fragments/catbox) in episode 7 which puts voyagers far far far beyond what territory witches are capable of. (It's also been noted that voyagers aren't fabricated meaning they can travel to different fictions such as ghost in the shell and other works at the end of the Visual novel)
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11130/111302904/5669453-2766186256-Catbo.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11120/111206816/6349584-7039151598-umine.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11120/111206816/6314409-2851333649-63079.png
http://i.imgur.com/S7CzAjd.png
Voyagers can enters their Territory by entering Fragment contains that territory and depend on some specific circumstances, it is not possible to stop a Territory from being hijacked by them. Mainly because they are that powerful and they can, even Territories beyond and infinitely vaster than Beato's are not that hard to hijack either like in EP7. Even endless Fragments on the Sea are merely crystals to them and Voyagers can manipulate said fragments at will
http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j472/throne0/Umineko/Umineko%20II/uminekopossibility.jpg
http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j472/throne0/Umineko/Umineko%20II/uminekobeatoterritory.jpg
Voyagers may vary in power. Hence there being immesurables that are unknown such as "lambdadelta's fanclub" or "Featherine's friends"
Bernkastel is the embodiment of a miracle. If the possibly is not 0, She can make anything happen.
Lambdadelta is the embodiment of certainty. Hard workers will always be rewarded.
Creator/Featherine (will go more in depth with this later on)
"Transcendental being(s) who all-powerful Creators omnipotent, omniscient.
Creator witch can give birth to 1 from 0, give birth to the endless and return it to nothing in a flash. Freed from everything.
http://i.imgur.com/h8mOal4.png
Overlord cats/Featherine's pets
"Featherine has an entire army of Overlord Cats, who are former main characters/Territory Lords of countless Gameboard played by Featherine and now her bodyguard, Bernkastel is the first of these Overlord Cats"
http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j472/throne0/Umineko/Umineko%20II/ftr1.jpg
Not to mention, Lambdadelta (who was Featherine's miko) was scared shitless when The cats were about to attack her.
City of books (a.k.a omniversal library. Beings from heaven and hell were to gather )
An overview of City of Books, each book holds endless fragments. They take these endless fragments and store them as individual stories.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11120/111206816/6314413-0832037020-63079.png
Just to show how ridiculous this realm is. The entirety of Umineko (Story Featherine created and both Fragment and Territory to Witches above Territory Lord, voyagers included)
would only rate one, single book in this realm.
Now (oh boy) Featherine/Infinite Hierarchy abyss/The creator
First, "This is a ridiculously simplified layman's terms and not at all a full presentation of the cosmology"
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11120/111206816/6314551-4629249698-latest
Shameless copy/paste/revision:
Now Even if we disregard the whole cosmology, parallel words, etc, we would have the human world having 4 dimensions of time and space.
Then the next layer would transcend that, for 4 more higher dimensions.
http://s7.hostingkartinok.com/uploads/images/2014/10/e694360ad791407ff5813b0c0c3913e1.png
Ange claims even provide that umineko treats dimensions the same way
A higher world sees the lower world as fiction. Absolute beings are treated as pieces in a chessboard, even. This much is a major theme in the series.
"Then lambdadelta explains how that said Heiarchy goes on endlessly."
So we know that there's an hierarchy from the scans above (Lambdadelta's perspective in regards to the world). And we know that each layer would have at least 4 dimensions even disregarding everything else.
Even without taking the cosmology into account, each of the steps of the ladder Lambda refers to would cover an entire layer.
Now repeat that ascension endlessly. You'll have the infinite dimensions/endeavors.
Then we have Featherine transcending said hierarchy. Even in simple terms, she doesn't just transcend witches, she transcends their hierarchy itself and playing by google+ terms, will still be infinite.
https://s4.postimg.org/588ynf08t/Hiest01.png
Now take into account the following quote from Lambdadelta:
Which is then followed by:
"Beings that have completely lost all constraints... In exchange for gaining everything, they have lost even the limitation of their own 'meaning'.
...When even the notion of life and death and the meaning of existence has been lost... they reach the level of zero. Or rather, they fall down to it. Crash down. Crumble. Vanish like mist"
"I think the ones placed in the middle are us, the witches.
We create fate and play with it. We move around in that interstice."
"However, we accept certain restrictions and limitations, leaving ourselves some footing so that we won't tumble down. To the witches who are not afraid of it, the ones who are far, far ahead of me... these restrictions don't exist."
And there's also this:
"This kid was still inexperienced, no question about it. Her magical world was still only half finished. However, the composition formula leading to its formation was flawless and had infinite possibilities."
"Bern's points out that, again, Voyagers exist in a condition where the concepts which are substantial to lower worlds can be outright visualized"
https://lpix.org/2588608/bio-bern-1.png
Also to point out:
" Lambdadelta and Bern while actively under a restriction of their powers within Beato's territory (which is what Voyagers do within territories,"
"restricting themselves, according to Bern's profile in an Episode ),
they still can casually reach to a domain where dimensions such as space and time are about as meaningful as... Nothing .
https://lpix.org/2676474/bio-bern-4.png
Featherine transcends them and all of their endless hierarchy itself. She has reached the creator's domain and touched the absolute highest one can go and survided. Considering the above where Lambdadelta clearly states Witches like them can go deeper and deeper towards Creator level, yes, even the Voyagers
The only reason why Featherine isn't the creator/true 0/ a true omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent being, is because she limits herself. She wants to remain Featherine and not merge and become a voiceless, faceless, omnipotent, omnipresent,omniscient being and lose her own "meaning"/dissapear
"フェザリーヌ・アウグストゥス・アウローラ。?魔女の域を極め過ぎて、造物主の域にまで達し、?
Featherine Augustus Aurora.? She who had go through beyond the end of the domain of Witch, arrive at the domain of The Creator,?"
"超越了魔女的境域，甚至达到了造物主的领域………据说是接触到了不可抵达的境地，因病而死了。
She who had reach beyond the territory of Witch, attain the domain of the Creator………It's rumored that as she has attain the impossible position"
"Reach and touch the highest and survived."
http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j472/throne0/Umineko/Umineko%20II/ftr.jpg
SIDE NOTE: Featherine's special ability, Author authority/creator/plot manipulation
This is what Featherine did to effortlessly stomp a voyager witch (lambdadelta) who was destroying countless fragments in the city of books.
"In this motionless world, closely packed letters appeared."
http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j472/throne0/Umineko/Umineko%20II/ftrrw.jpg
"*this was different than time stopping, more like the flipping of pages of a book had stopped*
https://youtu.be/wA4WSWNUJhs?t=881 (14:40)
"I'm sorry, but the one writing the rest of this script, is me."
http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j472/throne0/Umineko/Umineko%20II/ftrrw1.jpg
"In the meantime, I'll start from the end of this "fight" and go from there. This is where you lose to me and die"
http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j472/throne0/Umineko/Umineko%20II/ftrrw5.jpg
SIDE NOTE. Special ability ENDLESS NINE/9:
The endless 9 is a conceptual barrier in a world of visualized concepts, it denies the access of anything that the user does not see fit to exist in his or her world.
Endless nine is based on fierce determination that protects the user from absolute all magical attacks by simply denying it.
Endless Nine is rated on a scale of 1, being the weakest, to 9, being absolute immunity. It has 9 times infinity which even grants the user immunity to conceptual attacks
SIDE NOTE. RED TRUTH
The red truth is the absolute truth that does not need to proven to be the unmistakable truth.
" one catbox in which despite only containing only one truth, an infinite number of variations, of possibilities exists simultaneously"
If the user tries to say a word that is not the truth they will be unable to say it.
A logic error is when a trick is performed that is incapable of performing. Logic errors will place the Territory Lords into a hell of their own making
The fear of this logic error, s the only thing that restricts the supernatural beings who are actually able to say the Red Truth despite it not being the only or absolute truth.
They do this by rewriting the concept of reality.
In these cat-boxes exists infinite parallel worlds, we've already established this. When used offensively the red truth denies these possibilities and when no more possibilities exist in the game, the "mystery side" wins. Not only are the infinite possibilities that exist there are conceptually denied, but they are erased entirely.
Welp, that about it at least for me. Again, the when they cry series cosmology is so vast "I can write a book on it" (quoted from a user) and that's very true. I tried to simplify to the best of my ability, I hope people understand. Also, Special thanks to Unbound, revenger (respect thread) and all others that helped through comparisons and more in depth analysis.
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