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#1 Posted by JohnCena69swag (3974 posts) - - Show Bio

Seriously. It seems like every single complaint about Carol can also be applied to Steve. Even worse for him, really. Emotionless? Yeah she at least cracked a fee jokes and smiled here and there. Stone face Steve has a history of being confrontational with Tony over some jokes. She's a Mary Sue? Go watch Civil War and tell me she has anywhere near the plot armor of cap. Brie is a horrible sjw? I challenge you to go on Chris Evans Twitter and see if you can stand more than 30 seconds of what this douche posts.

Captain Marvel isn't a bad character so far. Don't hate on her unless you hate on Captain America first.

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#2 Edited by cattlebattle (17733 posts) - - Show Bio

I agree.

I also think the MCU sort of flubbed his character. In the comics Cap has been shown to be fallible, in the movies he is sort of an annoying goodie two shoes.

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#3 Edited by deactivated-5cc746539ff3b (1013 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap is a selfish annoying character I've been saying this since CW. People are just obsessed with him.

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#4 Posted by StormShadow_X (16772 posts) - - Show Bio

Last time I checked Captain America was male. Woooo still got something.

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#5 Posted by GateOfBabylon (4402 posts) - - Show Bio

Emotionless? Yeah she at least cracked a few jokes and smiled here and there. Stone face Steve has a history of being confrontational with Tony over some jokes.

That was only in Avengers 1, and they were under the influence of the Scepter. Steve cracks jokes as well, and has displayed plenty of emotions. Age of Ultron and Civil War are good examples.

She's a Mary Sue? Go watch Civil War and tell me she has anywhere near the plot armor of cap.

I've seen this so many times, but no one has actually shown any convincing argument for "plot armour" or "Russo Force" for Cap in Civil War. Name one thing that was actually plot armour or any form of PIS.

Brie is a horrible sjw? I challenge you to go on Chris Evans Twitter and see if you can stand more than 30 seconds of what this douche posts

I won't argue about this one. I agree.

With all these said: I personally don't hate or complain about Carol at all. Just trying to defend Steve here.

In fact, I want to defend Carol. She appears emotionless due to the plot. She's been taught and forced to restrain her emotions. And I don't believe what the actress/actor does should affect my view of a movie character.

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#6 Edited by godzilla44 (7460 posts) - - Show Bio

Bait

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#7 Posted by Supermanthor (20302 posts) - - Show Bio

hmmm

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#8 Posted by johnsmjs36 (506 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think an actor's personal views should have any bearing towards the character they are portrayed.

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#9 Posted by ByondEon (1239 posts) - - Show Bio

@johnsmjs36: Which is why it's so annoying reading the anti-SJW's complain about Brie Larson (which is weird tbh, because she didn't seem like a SJW to me).

The anti-SJW's are worse than the SJW's they complain about. Let's be honest about this

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#10 Posted by johnsmjs36 (506 posts) - - Show Bio

@byondeon: I think its more of Disney's fault than Bries to be fair.

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#11 Posted by ByondEon (1239 posts) - - Show Bio

@johnsmjs36: Take one line from an interview and bombard her with hate. I say that it's neither's fault.. except the idiots that hate her. I am not a fan of her acting, but nothing against her.

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#12 Edited by TobyMaguire (439 posts) - - Show Bio
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STRONG WOMAN DON'T SHOW EMOTIONS

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#13 Posted by johnsmjs36 (506 posts) - - Show Bio

@byondeon: Well, Disney is pushing for a feministic approach to appeal to SJW. The actors just have yo go along with it.

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#14 Posted by ByondEon (1239 posts) - - Show Bio

@johnsmjs36: That I don't agree with. Nothing really I have seen that indicate that from the movies.

As Destiny said, everything for making money, nothing more, nothing less. The only thing they care about is money. They would not make the movies unless they knew they would earn money.

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#15 Edited by TobyMaguire (439 posts) - - Show Bio

@byondeon: Watch Room( she got Oscar for that movie) or Short term 12.

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#16 Posted by buttersdaman000 (22862 posts) - - Show Bio

Ding ding ding

But it's ok since Cap is a guy and wasn't "forcefully included" to be made the leader lol

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#17 Posted by johnsmjs36 (506 posts) - - Show Bio

@byondeon: Well not extremely but it has been hinted. I think most don't like her because of Kevin's statement that she is the strongest.

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#18 Posted by ByondEon (1239 posts) - - Show Bio

@buttersdaman000: Only watched 3 movies with her, but from those, I rate her nothing special/10..

@johnsmjs36: Well, introduced, not most powerful already established. Thor and Thanos and Hela and Odin and Dormammu etc are all more powerful than her..

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#19 Posted by Guardiandevil83 (9348 posts) - - Show Bio

@johncena69swag: Steve cracked a joke in AOU when he killed that Droid.

"You'll never what?" 'Tosses him off bridge' "YOU DIDN'T FINISH!"

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#20 Posted by Heatforce (6288 posts) - - Show Bio

Wait...I feel like this post is trying to incept me.

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#21 Edited by foxerdes (10259 posts) - - Show Bio

Steve literally started out as a loser. He was a laughing stock whose patriotism, self-sacrifice and perseverance got him drafted into the Super Soldier Project. After sacrificing his life and possible future with the woman he loved, Steve woke up decades later in a world that seemingly didn't need him. He struggles with past memories and he actually acted a bit dorky (I understood that reference scene or him looking gullibly when Tony points at the guy playing Galaga.) Rogers isn't the most charming or flamboyant person, but you see honesty and belief in what he says. He is an old soldier; a relic full of seemingly outdated ideals. Emotons? He almost cried after seeing Bucky die. Look at him during Peggy's funeral, or how she stayed by her side despite amnesia. He literally had to watch her "meeting him after all these years" multiple times. Not to mention his famous "Oh God" delivery.

With this being said, I do agree that Steve is acting like a self-righteous person so stuck up in his ideals that he makes seemingly selfish choices. That's a flaw he has. Then again, I fail to see how can we ignore several movies of great scenes that show the various aspects of his characters. Plus, Steve's story was shown over the course of several movies. Carol was pushed way too hard in an unnatural way.

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#22 Edited by Jgames (8191 posts) - - Show Bio

But they actually flesh Steve character, show his time in the army and his courage despite being weak in stature. They did not talk about how courageous he is or all the adversity he faced, they actually show it, not tell it. Which was one of my main complaint about Captain Marvel along with not really having any difficult obstacle and being a bit too op in the movie. I mean overall I thought the character was fine. She was fun at times and a badass. Maybe I like her more in End Game, but for know she alright.

Also personally do like character with flaws because they are more relatable and have room for growth. I mean Infinity War main theme is sacrifice. Thanos willingness to sacrifice what he love help him accomplished his goal. Versus the heroes who were not willing to do the same causing the destruction of half the universe. Asking us about what is true heroism, that of protecting everybody, or sacrificg someone for the greater good. Whether we would be able to sacrifice our love one for the greater good. I remember a research that show most people would sacrifice one person for the greater good, but it turn 50/50 when it involve someone they care about. Which if the hero were perfect, well the movie would be boring. It would just be Thanos (stupid autocorrect) unable to get the stone.

In regard to what the "anti-sjw" people think, screw them IDC. What happen to the Alita challenge you assholes who watch Captain Marvel despite complaining about white genocide or whatever stupid things. Screw you guys talking big game, and are just made up of a loud minority.

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#23 Posted by ANTHP2000 (27883 posts) - - Show Bio

Neither of them are something to complain about, people are just salty cause they don't like Carol lol. That said, if you wanna saying Carol is a Mary Sue, then Cap is 10x worse.

@foxerdes said:

Steve literally started out as a loser. He was a laughing stock whose patriotism, self-sacrifice and perseverance got him drafted into the Super Soldier Project.

Carol started out as a loser, oppressed by society for her sex and was given the opportunity to become something greater, so she took it.

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#24 Posted by Ready_4_Madness (16607 posts) - - Show Bio

And that’s why MCU Iron Man>MCU Cap

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#25 Posted by Jgames (8191 posts) - - Show Bio

Neither of them are something to complain about, people are just salty cause they don't like Carol lol. That said, if you wanna saying Carol is a Mary Sue, then Cap is 10x worse.

@foxerdes said:

Steve literally started out as a loser. He was a laughing stock whose patriotism, self-sacrifice and perseverance got him drafted into the Super Soldier Project.

Carol started out as a loser, oppressed by society for her sex and was given the opportunity to become something greater, so she took it.

We were told that she was oppressed, and cast out, and given an opportunity to become something greater and only saw small portion of it. Versus Steve who we actually get to experience his journey into becoming the super soldier who will help his country and become a patriotic symbol. In other word, one had a better written and constructed movie.

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#26 Posted by ANTHP2000 (27883 posts) - - Show Bio

@jgames: Okay,you liked Steve's origin movie more and you think it's better, I agree.

Now please tell me how that's relevant with the actual character origins, and how it's not simply looking for a way to bash Carol.

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#28 Posted by Cramem (201 posts) - - Show Bio

People complain about captain marvel because the wirters are trying so hard to put her on the front scene, just like sentry, just like in the comics.

In the new avengers she is going to play a key role to defeat thanos. In the original avengers infinity war, captain marvel wasn't there. She didn't fought thanos. Instead it was another hero who played a key role on defeating thanos. It was Adam Warlock

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#29 Posted by RabumAlal (5186 posts) - - Show Bio

People who light up against anything saying “SJW or liberal” are idiots and are the new insufferable people on the internet.

Cap wasn’t cool until Winter Soldier or Civil War. His first movie and Avengers appearances are weak, there is a reason Tony was the sole star for a while.

Thor was lame until Ragnarok and Infinity War, went from 0-100 quick.

I liked CM but she wasn’t really the best superhero, give her 2-3 more movies, will especially be interesting post-Endgame.

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#30 Posted by Tomkatie (3374 posts) - - Show Bio

ComicVine: “I believe that if a writer holds certain political views, that shouldn’t affect whether their work is good. An author is different than their craft.”

Also ComicVine: “bwaahhh Brie Larson disagrees with me so she’s evil!”

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#31 Posted by Morpheus_ (34514 posts) - - Show Bio

@tomkatie said:

ComicVine: “I believe that if a writer holds certain political views, that shouldn’t affect whether their work is good. An author is different than their craft.”

Also ComicVine: “bwaahhh Brie Larson disagrees with me so she’s evil!”

CV isn't a singular entity. Some people said the former, some the latter. Some maybe both, or neither. I know you understand this, so I'm unsure about your point.

People are hypocrites and will either go to great lengths to defend things they like while also criticizing things they don't almost immediately. It's not exactly new, is it? Larson's problem is that her craft (pertaining to CM) is sufficiently underwhelming to a degree that people are not willing to overlook her prior statements.

I personally don't care what Larson has said. She needs a more lively performance and far better writing. "Hur dur, I'm strong, you didn't have me before" isn't a personality.

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#32 Posted by The_Titan_Lord (9367 posts) - - Show Bio

😂

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#33 Posted by foxerdes (10259 posts) - - Show Bio

@anthp2000: I was mostly refuting the points about Steve being poorly written etc. I haven't really rewatched Captain Marvel yet. Once I do, I can make a coherent case as to why I don't think her development and characterization is particularly appealing.

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#34 Posted by ANTHP2000 (27883 posts) - - Show Bio

@foxerdes said:

@anthp2000: I was mostly refuting the points about Steve being poorly written etc. I haven't really rewatched Captain Marvel yet. Once I do, I can make a coherent case as to why I don't think her development and characterization is particularly appealing.

Lol do so.

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#35 Edited by foxerdes (10259 posts) - - Show Bio

@anthp2000: I've used all those 10 $ words and you didn't back down?

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#36 Posted by ANTHP2000 (27883 posts) - - Show Bio

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@anthp2000: I've used all those 10 $ words and you didn't back down?

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I never back down. It's what MCU Carol's character has taught me.

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#39 Posted by foxerdes (10259 posts) - - Show Bio

@anthp2000: Perfectly balanced, as all opinions should be.

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#40 Edited by Jgames (8191 posts) - - Show Bio

@anthp2000: I thought Brier Larson was alright as Captain Marvel, but due to the writing and direction, I just could not get invested in the character struggle. I am not trying to bash her, just pointing out what I personally dislike, and thats the fact that the movie did not do a good job in giving her an arc, or giving her a challenge. I mean I would have love to see her time in the military and trying to prove everybody wrong despite them trying to put her down. But they justshow like 10 second flashback for the most part except the plane crash thing where she got her power. Making me be disconnected to her struggle.

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#41 Posted by ANTHP2000 (27883 posts) - - Show Bio

@jgames: That's perfectly fine. It's an opinion on the movie's quality. The thing is, people are using the argument that the actual character didn't have a person struggle and was born perfect or whatever. This is clearly not the case regardless of how well you think they put it on screen.

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#42 Posted by Mekboy (2731 posts) - - Show Bio

@xyzen said:

Cap is a selfish annoying character I've been saying this since CW. People are just obsessed with him.

This is true.

People like him because Chris Evans is handsome. That's it.