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#1 Edited by deactivated-5cc4b6c202c76 (72 posts) - - Show Bio

Is Giant Man supposed to be stronger than the Hulk? He one shotted Cull Obsidian and had to save Hulk who got zero actual feats. Then somehow Thanos can beat Ironman, Thor, and Cap with Thor's powers without much effort but get beaten soundly by Scarlet Witch??

What is this? Is she somehow the most powerful? Her only rival really does seem to be Captain Marvel who was said to be the strongest but by direct feats she is better.

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#2 Posted by BalancedTruth (1452 posts) - - Show Bio

@gman13: the film makes no effort to have any form of logic and consistency. And yet people probably will like it better than Justice League

Ridiculous

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#3 Posted by Thorthunder98 (6919 posts) - - Show Bio

Well Thor was far from being in his prime in that film, and Scarlett Witch's powers were a bad match-up for Thanos.

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#4 Posted by uugieboogie (13604 posts) - - Show Bio
@gman13 said:

Is Giant Man supposed to be stronger than the Hulk? He one shotted Cull Obsidian and had to save Hulk who got zero actual feats. Then somehow Thanos can beat Ironman, Thor, and Cap with Thor's powers without much effort but get beaten soundly by Scarlet Witch??

What is this? Is she somehow the most powerful? Her only rival really does seem to be Captain Marvel who was said to be the strongest but by direct feats she is better.

Wanda is a direct counter for someone like Thanos. He has no ranged capabilities and he can't fly or propel himself in the air at all. So using TK to lift him off the ground staying a safe distance away pretty much leaves him defenseless.

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#5 Posted by Ready_4_Madness (18143 posts) - - Show Bio

Cull Obsidian is was never all that powerful.

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#6 Edited by deactivated-5cc4b6c202c76 (72 posts) - - Show Bio

@uugieboogie: That's some inconsistent BS once again. Initially I would think the same but we see Thanos power through her launched attacks and see her struggle to stop a sword strike from him.

No logically reason how she could've performed better than TWO Thors and Ironman.

On top of that she struggles to directly manipulate far weaker opponents

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#7 Posted by deactivated-5cc4b6c202c76 (72 posts) - - Show Bio

Cull Obsidian is was never all that powerful.

That's not true... We see him stomp Ironman in Infinity War and almost again here.... The problem is the Russos have no concept of power besides GIRL POWER. Cull is Hulk level but we see how the Russos treat Hulk. Everyone gets a moment to shine and do the most with their powers but Hulk almost drowns and is a cripple. Funny how people including myself thought he would be redeemed and be the most impressive. Good character but weak :(

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@gman13 said:

@uugieboogie: That's some inconsistent BS once again. Initially I would think the same but we see Thanos power through her launched attacks and see her struggle to stop a sword strike from him.

No logically reason how she could've performed better than TWO Thors and Ironman.

On top of that she struggles to directly manipulate far weaker opponents

How’s it inconsistent? If he’s suspended in the air what can he do?

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#9 Posted by GeorgeWBush (12637 posts) - - Show Bio

@gman13: While Tony was on the ground he was knocked down and noticeably hurt by Tony’s weapons before being Squashed

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#10 Posted by phillip33 (4584 posts) - - Show Bio

Yea I loved the movie, but the girl power push was pretty evident I’d say ranking them from most powerful to least powerful it would go something like.

Thanos/Wanda

Carol/ fit Thor

Mjolnir cap

Fat Thor

Hulk

Ironman/ant man/vision.

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#11 Posted by deactivated-5cc4b6c202c76 (72 posts) - - Show Bio

@gman13 said:

@uugieboogie: That's some inconsistent BS once again. Initially I would think the same but we see Thanos power through her launched attacks and see her struggle to stop a sword strike from him.

No logically reason how she could've performed better than TWO Thors and Ironman.

On top of that she struggles to directly manipulate far weaker opponents

How’s it inconsistent? If he’s suspended in the air what can he do?

She's never done that before to anyone. And it makes zero sense how Thanos got entrapped like that in the first place he was stated to be the most powerful and never really showed it until this movie (at the expense of nerfing everyone else) but somehow Scarlet Witch overpowers his strength and even while they were in a power struggle we see her shatter Uru like its nothing. Meaning she now can break infinity stones and godly weapons.

She can break Mjolnir just like Hela. Before this movie, how Hela accomplished that was a divine mystery but now he know it's just requires being strong.

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#12 Edited by xZone (10590 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor is still the strongest avenger

Thor End Game feats:

-One hit from Mjolnir knocks Iron-man out for a very long time. Even Iron-man's Infinity War Armor was incredibly durable

-Thor takes many punches and kicks from Thanos to the face and is able to fight just fine. The Hulk was Ko'd by far less from Thanos

-Thor seems to completely tank the missiles from Thanos' ship. Very similar to Captain Marvel's feat

-Stormbreaker was able to match Thanos' weapon which cut Captain America's shield

-Thor shows that he is almost as strong as Thanos

-Stormbreaker casually cuts Thanos' arm and head off

-Stormbreaker breaks Thanos' armor

Those are feats from End Game. If you use Thor's infinity war feats it's not even close

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#13 Posted by Ready_4_Madness (18143 posts) - - Show Bio

@gman13: was he ever Hulk level though? Are you saying that just because he’s big? Hulk would never get dropped by Black Panther like Cull did. And IW Iron Man is overrated in my personal opinion.

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#14 Posted by deactivated-5cc4b6c202c76 (72 posts) - - Show Bio

@xzone said:

Thor is still the strongest avenger

Thor End Game feats:

-One hit from Mjolnir knocks Iron-man out for a very long time. Even Iron-man's Infinity War Armor was incredibly durable

-Thor takes many punches and kicks from Thanos to the face and is able to fight just fine. The Hulk was Ko'd by far less from Thanos

-Thor seems to completely tank the missiles from Thanos' ship. Very similar to Captain Marvel's feat

-Stormbreaker was able to match Thanos' weapon which cut Captain America's shield

-Thor shows that he is almost as strong as Thanos

-Stormbreaker casually cuts Thanos' arm and head off

-Stormbreaker breaks Thanos' armor

Those are feats from End Game. If you use Thor's infinity war feats it's not even close

No my dude... Captain Marvel can beat him and before it was always up for debate if Scarlet Witch could but now she has proved that she would rip him apart.

- I don't remember that part but I have another viewing reserved tonight

- Thanos 1v1 beatdown Hulk and left him in far worse condition wheres with Thor his attention and strength was divided yet he still clapped Thor in seconds once he was last one standing

-Too much going on on screen so I missed but Captain Marvel straight up tanked and beatdown everyone in her path. Marvel deflected a hit from Thanos with her FACE idk how but it happened and Thanos was shook too

- Alot of people showed that, inconsistency at its best. Thor is only half as strong as Hulk who is ambiguously in a similar tier as Thanos

- Yeah

- Broke through Thor's own armor too. Vibranium Shield thrown from weaker Cap could do that too, it broke Thanos helmet.

The only thing Thor lacked that he has in Infinity War and Ragnarok is his cloak and it's not much of a game changer to CM or SW. Against a brick like Thanos yeah but no to the girls

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#15 Posted by Soratoumiga (4781 posts) - - Show Bio

Scarlet Witch > Thanos > Captain Marvel > Thor

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#16 Posted by AngelJax (11904 posts) - - Show Bio

Scarlet Witch being more powerful than the trinity shouldn't have been a shocker when last year she held off Thanos w/4 Infinity Stones in one hand and destroyed the Mind Stone with the other. So her soundly beating Thanos when she was emotionally sound and focused makes sense.

She's also one of the most powerful beings in the comics as well so idk why people are acting like this is brand new information.

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#17 Posted by RabumAlal (5407 posts) - - Show Bio

Post #2 is amazing. Simply brilliant. I love the Vine.

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#18 Posted by deactivated-5cc4b6c202c76 (72 posts) - - Show Bio

@gman13: While Tony was on the ground he was knocked down and noticeably hurt by Tony’s weapons before being Squashed

He was on the ground because Spider-Man yanked him down.

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#19 Posted by ThorofAsgard (768 posts) - - Show Bio

@gman13: Thor half as strong as hulk??? Thor literally tanked like 30 direct punches to the face from the hulk in Ragnarok and didn’t even bleed then proceeded to punch him into the sky. If anything there equals in strength.

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#20 Edited by deactivated-5cc4b6c202c76 (72 posts) - - Show Bio

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@gman13: Thor half as strong as hulk??? Thor literally tanked like 30 direct punches to the face from the hulk in Ragnarok and didn’t even bleed then proceeded to punch him into the sky. If anything there equals in strength.

Then obviously you missed the part in Avengers when Thor strained to stop a one handed attack from Hulk with both his arms and his upper body. Backed up again in Ragnarok where Hulk effortlessly stopped a two handed overhead air hammer swing from Thor with ONE hand then sent him flying and coming out unscathed in that fight as well.

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And also Hulk being stronger is common basis in like every incarnation

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#21 Posted by uugieboogie (13604 posts) - - Show Bio

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She's never done that before to anyone.

There's a first time for everything, no? And she was clearly bloodlust, she was still pissed about what he did to Vision. 5 years didn't pass for them so literally just died a few moments ago for her.

And it makes zero sense how Thanos got entrapped like that in the first place

Well in the previous she was able to hold him back while he had 5 infinity stones. And seeing how he eventually pushed through that blast is probably why she decided to lift him in the air rather than try the samething again.

somehow Scarlet Witch overpowers his strength and even while they were in a power struggle we see her shatter Uru like its nothing.

She was overpowering his strength in IW too. It's people are forgetting Wanda and Carol's powers come from two of the most powerful sources in the MCU. And when did she shatter Uru?

Meaning she now can break infinity stones and godly weapons.

Her power comes from an infinity stone, it's not a big shock she has the power to destroy one. And what godly weapons are you referring to?

She can break Mjolnir just like Hela. Before this movie, how Hela accomplished that was a divine mystery but now he know it's just requires being strong.

Again what makes you think she can damage Mjolnir?

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#22 Posted by deactivated-5cc4b6c202c76 (72 posts) - - Show Bio

@gman13 said:

She's never done that before to anyone.

There's a first time for everything, no? And she was clearly bloodlust, she was still pissed about what he did to Vision. 5 years didn't pass for them so literally just died a few moments ago for her.

And it makes zero sense how Thanos got entrapped like that in the first place

Well in the previous she was able to hold him back while he had 5 infinity stones. And seeing how he eventually pushed through that blast is probably why she decided to lift him in the air rather than try the samething again.

somehow Scarlet Witch overpowers his strength and even while they were in a power struggle we see her shatter Uru like its nothing.

She was overpowering his strength in IW too. It's people are forgetting Wanda and Carol's powers come from two of the most powerful sources in the MCU. And when did she shatter Uru?

Meaning she now can break infinity stones and godly weapons.

Her power comes from an infinity stone, it's not a big shock she has the power to destroy one. And what godly weapons are you referring to?

She can break Mjolnir just like Hela. Before this movie, how Hela accomplished that was a divine mystery but now he know it's just requires being strong.

Again what makes you think she can damage Mjolnir?

Fair fair... Wanda destroys one end of Thanos' dual sided sword. You really missed that dude? It was when he was trying to slice her in half in the cliche melee clash. Thanos sword is an equal to Stormbreaker and it's Uru too.

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#23 Posted by deactivated-5cc4b6c202c76 (72 posts) - - Show Bio

Also anyone gonna bring up how Okoye killed Corvus Glaive/Proxima Midnight?

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#24 Posted by EmmaFrostXmen (3733 posts) - - Show Bio

@uugieboogie: Wanda was performing well in close quarters against Thanos as well, and she overpowered his raw strength with TK. You should rewatch the scene, she genuinely just overpowered him

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#25 Posted by uugieboogie (13604 posts) - - Show Bio

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Fair fair... Wanda destroys one end of Thanos' dual sided sword. You really missed that dude? It was when he was trying to slice her in half in the cliche melee clash. Thanos sword is an equal to Stormbreaker and it's Uru too.

She didn't "destroy" it at all. She cracked and broke a piece off the end. When Thanos threw it into Pym's Van/Portal both sides were almost even still IIRC. Thanos was never blocking SB with his sword IIRC. When he blocked the sharp end he blocked under it meaning his blade went up against the hilt.handle. And Wanda was already destroying infinity stones she did it in IW with the stone using one hand while keeping Thanos back with the other.

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#26 Posted by EmmaFrostXmen (3733 posts) - - Show Bio

Honestly everyone is complaining about Wanda being the strongest now (baring director statements), but does anyone realize that everyone that returned from the snap appeared more powerful (ex:Strange)

I don’t think it’s an inconsistency, I think it’s just a Power amp

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#27 Posted by deactivated-5cc4b6c202c76 (72 posts) - - Show Bio

@emmafrostxmen: Dying didn't amp them. Russos just don't know what to do with their characters. Still nice feats and I have no issue with SW being the strongest I have issue with her outperforming 3 other powerful characters who fought Thanos 3v1

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#28 Edited by EmmaFrostXmen (3733 posts) - - Show Bio

@uugieboogie: No she broke the sword, she cracked it then it broke off. Rewatch the scene

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#29 Posted by EmmaFrostXmen (3733 posts) - - Show Bio

@gman13: Yea I guess your right

Tbh Wanda should have always been the most powerful

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#30 Posted by darthvaderrocks (2601 posts) - - Show Bio

@xzone: Thor gets KO'd twice from fighting Thanos. The first time is when Thanos stomps on him and the second time is when he headbutts him.

Thor was never shown to be anywhere near Thanos strength. Thanos literally punches Stormbreaker out of Thor's hand twice and was gonna cleave him had Cap just been 5 seconds late with his Mjnoir throw.

Thanos sword > Stormbreaker.

You are right, Thor is still the strongest Avenger but Thanos clowned him each time they faced off. Thanos literally doesn't need to use a sword to beat Thor even with Mjnoir and Stormbreaker.

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#31 Posted by Joker567892 (749 posts) - - Show Bio

@ready_4_madness: He was stated to be somewhere close to Hulk Level on his Marvel.com profile.

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#32 Posted by uugieboogie (13604 posts) - - Show Bio

@uugieboogie: No she broke the sword, she cracked it then it broke off. Rewatch the scene

I suggest you rewatch the scene. She sends it flying out his hands and we only see the end broken off. Next time we see it again Thanos is launching it at the van and that’s where you can the entire blade see both sides are almost even still. You initially said she destroyed it, not what happened.

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#33 Posted by darthvaderrocks (2601 posts) - - Show Bio

@uugieboogie: Finally someone understands the only part of Stormbreaker that actually touched Thanos sword was the handle (Groot's arm). The actual blade (I guess) is right in Thanos face.

Here's a screenshot for anyone interested: http://imgur.com/a/tcRyZEo

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#34 Posted by uugieboogie (13604 posts) - - Show Bio

@uugieboogie: Wanda was performing well in close quarters against Thanos as well, and she overpowered his raw strength with TK. You should rewatch the scene, she genuinely just overpowered him

Not really. If you rewatch the scene you see she starts to lift a little and she uses her other hand to uppercut Thanos with a blast. She couldn’t outright overpower him so she blasted him.

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#35 Posted by EmmaFrostXmen (3733 posts) - - Show Bio

@uugieboogie: She outright push back against the full force of his strength. That’s better than all of the other avengers did

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#36 Posted by deactivated-5cc4b6c202c76 (72 posts) - - Show Bio

@uugieboogie: No she broke the sword, she cracked it then it broke off. Rewatch the scene

She definitely did break it and it was no where close to even, don't knoe what that guy is talking about. The fact that she even snapped it at all means she can destroy it completely.

The people empowered by Infinity Stones are overpowered 💀 Captain Marvel and Scarlet Witch are in a league of their own. One's telepathic and can destroy pretty much everything from Vibranium to Infinity Stones with telekinesis and the other is physically nigh unstoppable with lightspeed travel and energy blasts comparable to stars.

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#37 Posted by uugieboogie (13604 posts) - - Show Bio

@uugieboogie: She outright push back against the full force of his strength. That’s better than all of the other avengers did

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She is on her back completely overwhelmed. She frees her other hands hits Thanos with an energy blast. She clearly couldn't outright over power him so she blasted him.

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@emmafrostxmen said:

@uugieboogie: No she broke the sword, she cracked it then it broke off. Rewatch the scene

She definitely did break it and it was no where close to even, don't knoe what that guy is talking about. The fact that she even snapped it at all means she can destroy it completely.

The people empowered by Infinity Stones are overpowered 💀 Captain Marvel and Scarlet Witch are in a league of their own. One's telepathic and can destroy pretty much everything from Vibranium to Infinity Stones with telekinesis and the other is physically nigh unstoppable with lightspeed travel and energy blasts comparable to stars.

Video is posted above. I never said she didn't break it, I said she didn't destroy like you claimed she did. Going off the video and both ends she didn't even break that much. The most she did in that scene was when she lifted Thanos.

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#38 Posted by chuggachugga170 (516 posts) - - Show Bio

Who had better hydrokenesis, strange or mera?

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#39 Posted by EmmaFrostXmen (3733 posts) - - Show Bio

@uugieboogie: Your really underselling Wanda

She had to push back with over the force Thanos did to knock him back with her TK. She would need to counter his physical force

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#41 Posted by xZone (10590 posts) - - Show Bio

@xzone: Thor gets KO'd twice from fighting Thanos. The first time is when Thanos stomps on him

Not sure if Thor was actually KO'd, but he was hit many times in the face and was still able to fight

and the second time is when he headbutts him.

I don't think Thor was KO'd

Thor was never shown to be anywhere near Thanos strength.

Thor was clearly almost as strong as Thanos

Thanos literally punches Stormbreaker out of Thor's hand twice and was gonna cleave him had Cap just been 5 seconds late with his Mjnoir throw.

It seemed like Thor summoned Mjolnir to hit Thanos...

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#42 Posted by uugieboogie (13604 posts) - - Show Bio

@uugieboogie: Your really underselling Wanda

She had to push back with over the force Thanos did to knock him back with her TK. She would need to counter his physical force

I’m not underselling I’m literally reciting what happened in the movie and in the video above.

Thanos had both hands on his weapon pressing down on Wanda’s shield/energy. She got some leverage, got one of her hands free and uppercutted him with an energy blast. You’re overselling the showing making out to be something it wasn’t, when it was actually just a cheap shot.

The time you can argue she “overpowered” him is when she had him suspended in the air, not when they had their CQC exchange.

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#43 Edited by EmmaFrostXmen (3733 posts) - - Show Bio

@uugieboogie: Hhahahahahah, a “cheap shot” would be if she attacked him when he wasn’t looking more of you underselling her

Wanda only attacked him and he was pushed back which tells us that she overpowered his physicality with her TK

In order to push someone back she would have to push harder than the force he was exerting

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#44 Posted by FireStarLord73194 (5692 posts) - - Show Bio

I really do wish people would stop whining about feats and antifeats. “It’s so inconsistent” and just how consistent are the comics the characters come from? If u want feats and stats read a data book on the characters. It’s a movie with a story get over the fact that Thor isn’t tanking stars every movie or hulk isn’t going world breaker

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#45 Posted by KingLouie (3568 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk has a durability feat ( Surviving the gauntlet and the Snap)

After that he was able to keep a building from falling on him. With one arm.

I was expecting more. :(

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#46 Posted by uugieboogie (13604 posts) - - Show Bio

@uugieboogie: Hhahahahahah, a “cheap shot” would be if she attacked him when he wasn’t looking more of you underselling her

Wanda only attacked him and he was pushed back which tells us that she overpowered his physicality with her TK

In order to push someone back she would have to push harder than the force he was exerting

I’m not even sure why you even replied to me when I was initially arguing in favor of Wanda while the OP was seemingly shocked to her power levels. But you‘re completely missing the point...

The scene I’ve been referring to this entire thread (in the video above) was when Thanos has Wanda on the ground Thanos clearly had her overpowered. Instead of pushing all the way up (completely overpowering him) she had to uppercut him with a blast (while all his attention and force was being focused on her shield/energy she had on his sword) to get back up off the ground and that put her in a position to get Thanos in a hold.

Like I’ve been saying she couldn’t outright overpower him in CQC that’s why she had to suspend him in the air and attempted to just crush his armor on him. She throws giant pieces of rock at him and he break through them. She then drops down releases an energy blast that knocks Thanos down. He gets up and deflects the other blast and closes the gap easily. Scene cuts to T’Challa/Peter and then we see Thanos with Wanda overwhelmed pushing her down.

She was definitely powerful (I said as much above) but she clearly couldn’t outright overpower him until she suspended him in the air And started crushing his armor.

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#47 Edited by EmmaFrostXmen (3733 posts) - - Show Bio

@uugieboogie: I was just replying because you said Wanda cheap shotted him, but she simply attacked him

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#48 Posted by deactivated-5cc4b6c202c76 (72 posts) - - Show Bio

@xzone said:
@darthvaderrocks said:

@xzone: Thor gets KO'd twice from fighting Thanos. The first time is when Thanos stomps on him

Not sure if Thor was actually KO'd, but he was hit many times in the face and was still able to fight

and the second time is when he headbutts him.

I don't think Thor was KO'd

Thor was never shown to be anywhere near Thanos strength.

Thor was clearly almost as strong as Thanos

Thanos literally punches Stormbreaker out of Thor's hand twice and was gonna cleave him had Cap just been 5 seconds late with his Mjnoir throw.

It seemed like Thor summoned Mjolnir to hit Thanos...

Lmao wow xZone. Thor superfan with delusionas of grandeur strikes again. Thor was never K.Oed people *rolls eyes*. Also you know that dramatic scene of Thor about to die but we get a shot of Cap still conscious then Mjolnir being moved and hitting Thanos in back of the head? Yeah that was Thor telekinetically controlling Mjolnir despite both his hands being occupied to save his own ass then handing it to Cap in suprise for some reason.

But of course only you would interpret that scene that way smh

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#50 Posted by Lan_Fan (18117 posts) - - Show Bio

@xzone: I feel bad for you, dude. You were expecting a lot from Endgame Thor. Now at best we can argue that he wasn't nerfed :'(