Emma Frost Diamond Form Inconsistencies

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#1  Edited By EmmaFrostXmen

This is something i believe writers often forget. In Emma Frost's diamond form she is numbed from any and all physical and emotional pain.

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In other words, you can't hurt her. You either shatter her or she remains completely unharmed, and one of her current feats from Marauders in diamond form backs this up. She is slammed against a wall by Shaw, yet she doesn't even look hurt/scared/surprised

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Yet here Gamora was able to do this to her:

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Gamora makes Emma scream with a headbutt despite Emma having previously tanked attacks from numerous people ridiculously out of Gamora's league (World War Hulk and a Dreaming Celestial blast that opened a hole in Colossus (Emma only lost her arm after the second blast))

Overall Emma's diamond form has been extremely inconsistent as of recent in both strength and durability. As shown above she is physically strong enough to hurt Gamora, and also recently she has harmed Black Bolt with a punch to the throat:

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Yet her strength says it caps off a 2 tons. The feats I mentioned are more reminiscent of someone with 10-20 ton lifting strength tbh.

Emma's durability has actually become extremely inconsistent as well actually. Previously she had obvious high tier durability. Recently she's been cracked by Medusa:

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Magneto:

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And she was hurt by Gamora (impossible technically)(The Magneto feat isn't really a low showing considering he was bloodlusted, but Medusa? LOL)

Overall it seems her strength has increased recently and her durability has become inconsistent. Has anyone else noticed this?

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#4  Edited By psi-bite234

Why do you keep mentioning two feats (World War Hulk and Dreaming Celestial) that's obvious outliers if you don't have more feats on that level....

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#5  Edited By EmmaFrostXmen

@psi-bite234: previously Emma had no anti feats and thus that was her consistent portrayal. If you don’t have anti feats you can’t call something an outlier. All we knew was she had a weak spot and she couldn’t be harmed or broken for the most part without hitting it

Currently she has a lot more outliers, but even among those she has more feats that keep her durability at high tier. Jessica Jones was afraid of breaking her hand on Emma’s face so she wasn’t hitting her. Jess is a mid tier when it comes to strength therefore Emma’s durability is at minimum low high tier. Which is then backed up by how bloodlusted Magneto needed to put effort into cracking Emma

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She seems surprised by gamora

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#7  Edited By EmmaFrostXmen

@kgb725: yea but it forced her out of diamond form it seems. I discredit the feat at PIS, and Emma should never scream in pain for any physical hit. In diamond form she doesn’t have pain receptors

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@emmafrostxmen:

previously Emma had no anti feats and thus that was her consistent portrayal. If you don’t have anti feats you can’t call something an outlier. All we knew was she had a weak spot and she couldn’t be harmed or broken for the most part without hitting it

If she can be hurt by Gamora and cracked by Magneto and Medusa then the Hulk and Celestial instances are obviously outliers considering both those guys are far more powerful then Gamora, Magneto, Medusa.

Currently she has a lot more outliers, but even among those she has more feats that keep her durability at high tier. Jessica Jones was afraid of breaking her hand on Emma’s face so she wasn’t hitting her. Jess is a mid tier when it comes to strength therefore Emma’s durability is at minimum low high tier. Which is then backed up by how bloodlusted Magneto needed to put effort into cracking Emma

Jessica Jones isn't even bulletproof and most likely will break her hand punching much weaker surfaces then Emma's diamond form. BTW jess is a high level street leveler and Magneto comes nowhere close to World War Hulk in terms of power.

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#9  Edited By Scarlet_Wiccan

I've always found Emma's diamond form very interesting seeing as it is such a unique ability compared to most psionics, I wish they'd explore it more and give her more capabilities with it and maybe buff her lifting strength a bit to at least the 25-30 ton range.

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@psi-bite234: “ If she can be hurt by Gamora and cracked by Magneto and Medusa then the Hulk and Celestial instances are obviously outliers considering both those guys are far more powerful then Gamora, Magneto, Medusa.“

^those feats didn’t exist when Emma got the Hulk and Celestial feat therefore it wasn’t an outlier before, her durability was just extremely high

“ Jessica Jones isn't even bulletproof and most likely will break her hand punching much weaker surfaces then Emma's diamond form. BTW jess is a high level street leveler and Magneto comes nowhere close to World War Hulk in terms of power”.

^Jessica Jones is not a street leveler lol. She literally can effortlessly stack cars like she’s lifting paper

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#11  Edited By psi-bite234

@emmafrostxmen:

“ If she can be hurt by Gamora and cracked by Magneto and Medusa then the Hulk and Celestial instances are obviously outliers considering both those guys are far more powerful then Gamora, Magneto, Medusa.

Maybe before but now that she has means that's her limit

^Jessica Jones is not a street leveler lol. She literally can effortlessly stack cars like she’s lifting paper

She would get wreaked by Spider-man which is the highest level of a Street leveler

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@psi-bite234: no, we don’t use characters worst feats as their “limit”. That’s ridiculous, nobody on the site does that

Spiderman is a mid tier very clearly

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@scarlet_wiccan: yes bro. I’d literally love if they expanded on her diamond form. It’s one of my favorite powers just because of how perfectly it fits her personality Lmao

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#14  Edited By comic_book_fan  Online

you had four scans where she won and 2 where she lost and none of those were really low showings madusa has baeen able to toss ben around from time to time and the other is freaking magneto lol where is the inconsistancy madusa is the lowest showing

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@emmafrostxmen: imagine we use only two extremely high end feats and forget the rest for everyone,Psylocke would be herald tier considering her teke shields has blocked attacks from universal level characters more then 1 time.

Spiderman is a mid tier very clearly

Mid tier characters are Polaris, Psylocke, Luke Cage, Colossus, Crystal and Songbird so you honestly think Spider-man is mid-Tier wow.

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going by hand books

madusa is a one ton and black bolt without boosting his strength is between 2 tons and his max would be 60 tons butgoing by feats black bolt can fight gladiator and madusa can overpower black bolt and ironman with her hair so no she isn't weak

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@psi-bite234: that’s not what I said. I said explicitly “you can’t only base her performance off of low ends”. Storm has been tagged by street levelers, and failed Ti one shot a soldier with lightning....is this her consistent level? No

We go by consistent portrayal

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@emmafrostxmen: Don't bring Storm into this she has more then two feats that says otherwise

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@psi-bite234: yep and she also has more than one that are terrible

Emma can consistently tank hits from people like Magneto, Colossus, Cyclops, and Sebastian Shaw. Additionally Emma survived several buildings collapsing on her during the destruction of Genosha

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@emmafrostxmen: You do realise that all those characters you mentioned are far below War World hulk and Celestials. So that's her consistent level

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@psi-bite234: um yes that’s the point. I’m saying that she has taken hits from all of those characters without a scratch, and previously her record was flawless (other than her weak point) which is why the celestial feat was usable. Right now she’s inconsistent (again it’s the writers that forget how her powers work (ex: screams in pain despite not being able to feel pain)).

Realistically you’re picking and choosing what feats you want to count. She has high ends, she has low ends, as all characters do. The feats I mentioned were some of her middle end feats.

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#22  Edited By god_spawn  Moderator

This thread hurts me.

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#23 Koays  Online

Her physical strength has definitely increased as she was able to toss Strong Guy off of her.... he's able to do damage to The Thing and nosell Storm's tornado's.

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@koays: yea people were calling her feat of hurting Black Bolt PIS, but it’s actually more consistent than people realize

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#27  Edited By kasya_carey

Ummm it's NLF because for one if a sky father level being attacked her, it would be crazy to say Emma couldn't feel it. Just like it was stated she was immune to telepathy. NLF

Also being numb from pain does not equal being immune to damage. Psylocke made herself emotionally and physically numb to pain. It doesn't stop you from being harmed what so ever ever. Rachel even stated cutting yourself off pain can harm a person because you don't know your limits.

I don't even think that Black Bolt scan is usable. First it's light being thrown at them. Emma's diamond form is stated to reflect light Second he literally hit a weak spot. Which why a character like Siryn has a choker to block that spot.

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@kasya_carey: You cant NLF not feeling pain. Not when they change body composition. If a Celestial shoots a rock it's not going to start screaming in pain. She doesnt have pain receptors to feel pain.

@bbbbirdisaword - She pulled his hand off of her and threw him across the room.... considering her strength level is only supposed to be about 2 tons that's a pretty solid feat against someone who can take Thing of his feat and stand in the middle of Storms tornado unphased.

Hurting Blackbolt isnt an outlier.... it just has context to it. Unless you believe Blackbolt can take a 2ton strike to the throat an be unphased.

Medusa hurting her is an outlier because they're arent any feats to put her on the level of people who failed to damage her.

@emmafrostxmen - I really dont get why the Gamora scan is here since Emma shouted out of surprise not out of damage.... she wasnover powered.

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@koays: no, Gamora’s headbutt also forced her out of diamond form, and Gamora's dialogue backs this up. Again the feat is PIS obviously, but Gamora did hurt her enough to knock her out of diamond form.

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Street level diamond form?

Lmao jk gamora has fought more powerful.

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@olorun: I know you weren’t serious but I just felt like writing this

Her diamond form has mid tier strength and high tier durability

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#32  Edited By EmmaFrostXmen

@kasya_carey: that was Dazzler blasting Black Bolt through the walls lol

Emma punches him in the throat completely unamped and it damaged him for the rest of the arc

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@kasya_carey: if a skyfather attacked Emma they would likely kill her, but yes she would be completely unfazed as far as feeling pain goes

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Another inconsistency is Emma crying in her diamond form....she has no emotions

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