@originalcaptain: I don't see why gogeta wouldn't be stronger. Goten and Trunks who still probably aren't even strong enough to beat a full power frieza or even cell saga Android 17 fuse and become stronger or at least three same level as Super Buu
This would all make sense if god form never existed...For example Goku and vegeta struggling against broly in their SS2 and SS3 forms...So much bullshit in this movie if consistency and power levels are included...In my mind legendary super saiyan should be stronger than regular super saiyan 1,2 and 3...Being stronger than super saiyan god or being on a same level makes no sense since ss god is stronger than Vegito from buu arc and how the hell is broly achieved so much power without evolving and fighting foes like goku did...hey guys what is the probability of child being born in our world that lifts million tons,runs faster than light and instanly copies and learns fighting styles and theniques...That is how broly is introduced in dragon ball world...Goku and all saiyans went from lifting heavy objects to super saiyans through so much pain and will power,so many zenkais and powerful foes...My point is legendaty super saiyan in this movie is ASSPULL...
To me this broly does not make any sense but i will watch it and enjoy some quality slug fest in theater...i guess toriyama is milking dragon ball fans to the point where logic and consistency is not a primary concern or he is out of ideas...I remember that god ki is introduced like something so special that is beyond any mortal ever and there is ass pull HIT and JIREN to contradict that LOL....
@originalcaptain: even without it that's a huge boost. Honestly it doesn't make any sense how strong they are due to it. Fusion makes no sense but there it goes. A base Vegito could have killed a version of But that would have stomped SSj 3 Goku. Kale and Caulifa fusion was beating god Goku when one of them wouldn't have even been strong enough to beat 3. Fusion is an absurd boost of power in DB
@straja: God ki was made irrelevant the immediate arc after Battle of Gods when Frieza achieved that same tier of power in 4 months. And even though Hit isn't physically as strong as Goku and Vegeta, he bodied Blue form on hax and technique alone, and would have straight up murdered them had killing been allowed in the tournament. Black was making a mockery out of it the moment he went Rose, but to be fair, he had God ki himself. Then in the tournament of power, we saw multiple characters above the God Goku who fought Beerus, Android 17 and Gohan being among them, even though neither has trained the amount of Goku and Vegeta. So Broly stomping it into the ground doesn't really surprise me, because to be frank, it's not nearly as impressive as it was lead to be, especially with multiple characters achieving that level of power on their own without divine help.
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@galactic_1000: From the spoilers I saw. Goku said he might be stronger. If these spoilers are legit, and Beerus is in the same ballpark as the Broly being portrayed in Super, then he's still out of Goku's and Vegeta league by a pretty significant margin. This guy wasn't even using a full percent of his power during BoG it seems.
@mainjp: Frieza is basically a Saturday morning cartoon villain at this point. Even his goal for acquiring the Dragonballs are ridiculous. At least Vegeta acknowledges that leaving him alive and able to roam free was not good idea given his grown rate in RoF. Goku is so freaking naive it becomes dangerous sometimes.
Gogeta then takes on SSJ Broly and manages to keep up with him in just his Base form for a little while. Gogeta then goes SSJ and as they clash, their power is so great that they end up transporting themselves into another dimension (which looks kind of like a mirror room filled with tons of differently colored layers). As the two fight each other they shatter (literally) several of these planes and Broly is soon forced to enter his SSJ Full Power state (LSSJ), which prompts Gogeta to go SSB as well. They continue trashing the dimensions by breaking them until they finally return back to Earth.There, SSB Gogeta continues to fight Broly by dominating him for the remainder of the fight. Despite Broly continuing to power up, SSB Gogeta just responds with even more power that overwhelms the savage Saiyan.
woah and this is just a side effect of thier battle and it looks like that wasn't Broly or Gogeta's full power at the the time
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Saiyan snipers...da frack? Also....eh...not too different, other than the absent of Broly ticked off due to Goku's crying...though still better than that I suppose. Also it seems we might have a cap on Broly's power.
Sooooo here is the summary of the movie:
-Paragus gets killed by Freezer to push Broly into Super Saiyan
-Gogeta appears untransformed at first, then switches to Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan Blue during the fight
-Goku and Vegeta miss fusion several times, turns into obese and lean versions, first.
-Bardock rebels against Freezer
-Freezer fights against Broly for an hour get his ass handed to him, while Goku and Vegeta succeed the fusion
-Piccolo does not fight
-The wish of Freezer is to grow 5cm and Bulma's to rejuvenate 5 years (they do not realize their wishes)
-roly rushes on Vegeta first as Paragus comes to take revenge
-Vegeta dominates Broly because Broly has never fought humans, but he learns and ramps up as he fights against Vegeta
-The fight between Broly and Gogeta is balanced until Gogeta turns into Super Saiyan Blue
-Broly is brought back to the planet where he grew up thanks to the Dragon Balls not to be finished by Gogeta
-Cheerai and Lemo will find him, and Goku arrives teleporting
-He brings them home and food from Bulma, and tells them that he wants to see them from time to time to fight with Broly
-Goku says Broly is definitely stronger than Beerus
-There is no ultra instinct, no Kaioken, or Vegeta Blue Evolution in the movie, as a i told several times.
The kaioken is non canon to dbs because it's anime only and therefore doesn't belong in the toriyama script. The same thing for the hakai of goku in the mangas.
-When Broly was on his planet, there were big green hairy monsters. In training to avoid the attacks of one of them, Broly became fond of one of these monsters, and will become a friend with him. He called it "Baa" because he was just screaming "baa". Paragus did not want them to become friends, he only wanted for Broly to become stronger. One day, Paragus attacked Baa with a pistol and cut off an ear. Since Baa left and was no longer Broly's friend. He was saddened and traumatized by it so that in memory of baa he wears his ear around his waist.
-At the beginning of the movie when Cheerai and Lemo recruit Broly, Broly gets carried away to the cafeteria because a drunk guy attacked Cheerai Lemo. So Paragus uses his remote control that sends an electric shock to Broly.
-Cheerai and Lemo find this ignoble. Cheerai gives a lesson to Paragus, she stings the remote control discreetly. Paragus is called to see Freezer alone, Cheelai takes advantage of his absence to show Broly and Lemo that she stole the remote control, then breaks it.
-No Gohan in the movie
-Before leaving to fight against Broly, Piccolo asks Gogeta how he should call him. Gogeta is looking for a name, Piccolo tells them that it's not serious and that he has to fight fast. Gogeta refuses without a name
-Gogeta appears between Broly and Freezer and saves the latter, he then presents himself to Freezer. Meanwhile Broly goes after Whis who dodges all his blows. Gogeta then interposes between Broly and Whis and says he takes over. Whis is very surprised that they can merge.
-Freezer tries to kill Cheelai and Lemo because Cheelai wished to save Broly, preventing Freezer from making him his own so she wasted frieza's wish, but Gogeta interferes to save them.
-Freezer leaves at the end of the film, saying he will come back, like every villain does. Later, we see him conquer a planet.
So when Gogeta and Broly fight, they fight through and destroy multiple dimensions. So like is that quantifiable in any way or just for show?
Judging by the reddit spoilers it seems like they left 3D space time continuum and are fighting on higher dimensional plane (this "mirror room") with each of those "layers" spoilers talk about being an alternate universe/dimension. If that's true that would be a hell of a feat.
If broly is officially stronger than Beerus than that means Goku is that much closer to our classing Beerus which is a shame but it's about that time.
It's just hinted that Broly can grow even stronger than Beerus, which makes sense. His adaptability seems totally insane, like really...
I think it means Goku is even further away than Beerus based off this.
Say we do in fact put Broly on Beerus’ level (hypothetically). Goku and Vegeta needed to fuse fight Broly and then go Ssj then/Ssb on top of that fusion.
Off topic- I can’t even fathom how powerful Whis is at this point.
@stormshadow_x: It means Beerus is still a great bit above them individually. Goku said that Broly might be stronger, which means Broly and Beerus appear to be somewhat relative to each other. And from spoilers, when Broly started raging out as a super saiyan, Goku grabbed Vegeta and got tf out of dodge so they can learn the fusion dance. And we know from Gotenks that fusion is an insane multiplier, and Gogeta still had to go beyond base to put Broly down. So with context, it appears Beerus is still much stronger than them individually if he's around Brody's ballpark.
The only time Beerus went 100% was to nullify the universe busting energy mass that exploded. And he did that with around mid difficulty as he was back in chill mode right after.
I'm guessing goku is gauging Broli by that. Other than that how would goku know how strong Full Power beerus is when he's never fought a full power beerus?
If anything Broli power is probably getting close to Beerus. Not above it. That statement is me ant for hype anyway.
Alright to get the major points out of the way for those who don't already know:
- Gogeta is the one who beats Broly.
- Broly does not die and parts on good terms with Goku.
- Frieza lives and apparently has a new idea for something.
- Piccolo teaches Vegeta the fusion dance.
- Gohan is not in it at all.
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