doesn't this scene debunk moon level ring strength for mcu thor?

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Poll doesn't this scene debunk moon level ring strength for mcu thor? (46 votes)

YES, because clearly thor is exerting himself/getting tired and the size and the length of the chains are not much 39%
No, because i have headcanon reasons ..... 52%
DCEU superman used a much bigger and longer chained and traveled for miles with it.( proving once again he trumps thor) 24%
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We are going to need to make some estimates, but we can use the same wave equation to look at Thor's massive chain. Let's start off with the wave speed. Again, using video analysis I can plot the motion of one of the waves on the chain. I'm going to need some type of distance scale, so I'll just set the height of Thor at 1.9 meters, which is the height of the real human named Chris Hemsworth who plays him. With that, I get the following plot:

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I'm going to guess that, if you remove the holes, the chain has an equivalent diameter of 15 centimeters. If the chain is made of steel, it could have a volume density of about 8,000 kilograms per cubic meter. With these values, the chain would have a linear mass density of 141 kilograms per meter. In order to get the wave speed in the video, Thor would need to pull with a force of 2,940 newtons, or 658 pounds. That doesn't seem so bad—at least not for the God of Thunder.

Clearly thor exerted himself and strained his muscles

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@organic:

Thor doesn't have moon level strength - correct

This exercise helps to highlight that fact - correct

But I think your end calculation of just 658 pounds to make the waves is off by a lot.

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@crunch5481:

that wasn't my calculation

i posted it from a current article.

i did try to post the author of the article.

https://www.wired.com/story/just-how-hard-is-thors-battle-chain-workout/

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@pandalumina:

https://www.wired.com/story/just-how-hard-is-thors-battle-chain-workout/

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@organic:

Oh I see, I read through it.

I believe that number is just the tension on the metal chain that Thor would have to output, he would still have to raise the chain in that up and down motion. Also there’s two chains. But this is much lower than even a 15 ton feat.

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Sad lowballing noises* Lmaoo

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Cope

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Cringe

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organic is already coping and the movie isn't even out lmao

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The cope is too much... so a million tonner cannot exercise?

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Thor was never moon ring level in the first place. He is just exercising though in this gif to be fair.

Superman is much stronger, no clarification needed there!

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I did wonder why he needed the chains to loose weight for someone who can move moon size rings, that be like 220 pound man lifting up 5 pounds dumbbells.

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@johndeyvido:

Your bias and lack of intellect is showing again

Clearly thor is exerting himself in the scene. Thor lost weight and gained muscle.

If thor was a million tonner(your idiotic statement)

Why would he exerting himself from such a low weight? (Size and length of the chain) if he is a million tonner?

The answer is obvious but your fecal headcanon gets in your way

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Wow. Huh you know this also supports my theory of endgame thanos being way weaker than his IW self because he was struggling to over power fat thor.

But seriously this is just a cool/montage/comedic scene nothing more. PIS

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@organic:

You are a stupid person that much isn't in doubt.

The irony of you talking about intellect or the lack thereof is amusing.

You actually think Thor's body size/mass has anything to do with his strength...

So you haven't asked yourself how Superman who weighs 200lbs can lift objects weighing thousands of tons?

Please don't tag me again...

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@johndeyvido:

you are obtuse

the calculation is from an article dullard.

all the author of the article did was input thors height.who said anything about thors body mass ? smdh

notice how you switch now to superman? its because you have no logical argument.

clearly in this UNALTERED CLIP, THOR IS BREATHING HEAVY AND EXERTING HIMSELF with chains that are far below the weight of moon size rings. use common sense. thor lost weight and gained muscle from this battle chain exercise. if you think thor is a million tonner, you are sorely mistaken.

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@tazerface:

mcu wankers push debunked fecal headcanon and circle jerk there idiocy. They all travel in packs.

only to mcu wankers posting clips with zero hidden context is considered low balling or coping.

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MCU Thor is multiverse level via scaling from Wanda in MoM.

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@spongegar: Right... in the same trailer he's shown overpowering the thrust of the Benatar, if he struggles with less than 15 tons as some of the morons in this thread say, then it's illogic for him to be overpowering something with a lot more mass and power than those chains isn't it? At worst you can say fat Thor has poor stamina.

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@organic:

You are an idiot... You posted sth you have no idea about... Your level of cope over fictional character is sth else.

Please leave me alone... I can't deal with your silliness.

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#28  Edited By organic

@darkpsychiclord_prime:

Clearly thor is breathing heavy and exerting himself dullard.

Battle chains is a cardio and muscle building activity

Idiotic mcu wankers like yourself ignore your own lieing eyes because it debunk your fecal headcanon

Posting unaltered clips with no hidden context is logical and factual

Fail wanker

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@johndeyvido:

You have no logical rebuttal because you have been debunked!!!!

Toodles

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we don't see the full panel, so we don't know if there weren't neutron stars and galaxies at the end of these chains that Thor pulls

given what some famous pro MCU debaters have told us, there's no way there weren't supermassive black holes attached to the end of the chains

because if they weren't, it's going to cripple MCU Thor fans

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#31  Edited By J_Normal

This is a cardio excessive. Its bot meant for strength bulking. On top of that is literally an out of shape Thor

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#33  Edited By JediSympathiz3r

It’s a feat for the chains

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@j_normal:

Although barbells and dumbbells are more than enough on their own, lifting chains will help you MAXIMIZE your muscle building potential. And that's because they can perfectly combine with barbells and provide an extra stimulus for your muscles, forcing them to adapt and grow.

The point is obvious

Based on the size and length of the chains,thor clearly does not posess moon size ring strength(which is old debunked fecal headcanon)

This is just additional evidence

I am.starting think mcu wankers are beta males whose only exercise is using there keyboards

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Ignore the MCU wankers. No amount of fecal headcanon can deny this debunk.

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@organic:

What Thor doing is akin to using Battle rooes whoch ate not meant to build muscle but to burn fat. While it does put some strain in your muscles the intended goal is to burn fat.

To put into perspective battle ropes weight about 20 pounds which is nothing to an athlete. Do it for 8 sets of 30 seconds and you’ll feel your arms burn

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@j_normal:

Correct

I have tried it

It also doea stimulate your muscles

Obviously based on the size and length of thors chains

He clearly does not have moon size ring strength( he never did)

Also

Superman clearly has far better stamina and strength than thor

He pulled for miles with a far greater chain and weight attached to it (ship breaking up ice)

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If I've learned one thing from organic it's that one anti feat can cancel out every other feat a character has. In the same movie Thor is pulling the guardians' ship with a chain, in infinity war we literally saw the proof of his strength with our eyes. Hell even in Thor 1 the jotunheim feat could never be done by someone who struggles with 2000 pound chains

Dude is using a chain that chained up a giant on a planet with unknown gravity, how the hell do you assume it's 2000 pound without even having any context. I guess it's habit though, ignoring context is one of organic's many talents. It's what happened with moon level "doomsday".

I guess I should make a thread now BC Superman struggled with an oil rig

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#40  Edited By organic

@darkthunder:

You mcu wankers push old debunked fecal headcanon

Loki manhandled thor twice

An ice giant overpowered thor

Numerous examples of thor not having moon size ring strength

Etc

All thor did was be part of the anchor that allowed rockets ship to break the ice. Period

An anchor DOES NOT PROVIDE AN EQUAL AMOUNT OF FORCE either.

Jorel (word of god) tells superman

The only way to know how strong is to keep testing your limits

(Muscles,skin,senses)

Thats why we see an improvement in all his abilties

Word of god trumps mcu lowballing

Use common sense.

If thor had moon size ring strength ,those chains would not be enough for cardio/exertion

we see human starlord around when thor is exercising shows its like earths gravity.

Common sense

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What are those choices?

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@organic:

It does this slightly like most cardio. You’re putting way to much emphasis on this being a strength exercise.

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@sirdragonfly:

In the trailer you can see the ends of the chains. The wave made by Thor ends before the end of the chain. It’s just attached to a wall I think.

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Stupid options.

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#45  Edited By organic

@j_normal:

If thor had moon size strength

The chains he uses would be usless to exercise with

Battle ropes can and do build muscle, but you can’t just move them arbitrarily, you must use proper progressive overload, in the same way you would build strength with barbells, dumbbells, and kettlebells.

Just like barbell muscle-building, battle rope muscle building will need quality repetitions, performed with enough volume and intensity to provide fatigue, failure, and that muscle-pump feeling. Perform it enough times with good progressive overload, and you only need proper fueling to allow for the strength and muscle-building adaptation.

Clearly thor is exerting/tiring himself

I have only posted facts

Moon level ring strength debunked! (This is just one example debunking it)

Take care

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@organic:

It builds muscle but it is no where near as efficient as bar bells or dumbells in the slightest. Like I repeatedly said its primarily used for trimming and fat burning. This makes sense considering Thor needed to burn fat here and improve his conditioning.

Second this whole point is meaningless considering we are comparing 2 Thor feats in 2 different conditions. This to me is just straight up nitpicking on your part. On top of the fact we have a much better feat of Thor pulling against a M Ship. Which would honeslty also make the weight of the chains insignificant.

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Making DCEU fans look goofy. feelsbadman.

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@j_normal:

Disagree

Thor pulling against a ship is a different motion and is not centered on arms and shoulders/back muscles like battle ropes.we also dont know if the ship was even resisiting and to what extent. Diffrent motion and not enough data to quantify like the battle chains

I proved battle ropes can build muscle. Clearly thor is fatigued/exerting himself using them..

Lets agree to disagree

.take care